"Martin Baxter" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:
Yesterday's voting was at an all-time high for a presidential election.
Turnout exceeded everyone's predictions. As a matter of trivial fact,
Bush won by the greatest number of popular votes in US history as well.

These statements may well be true, but in light of an ever increasing
population a rather meaningless bit
of trivia;

It would be trivial if past presidential elections had also reflected the
population demographic. But they didn't. This year's election drew more
voters as a percentage of the total population than any other in recent
history. THAT was my point to Oz: it's why the lines at the polls were
long and time-consuming. My point had nothing to do with patting W on the
back for drawing the largest popular vote in history. But since you brought
it up . . . :-)

Max

In article .net,
Maxprop wrote:
I know precisely what liberalism is. Fact is, you're one of the most
liberal assholes contributing to this NG. Liberal because you espouse big,
all-knowing, all-encompassing government. "Asshole" simply because you are.

Doug is many things, but asshole isn't one of them. In fact, he's one
of the more reasonable, clear-thinking people on this newsgroup.

I'm sure he would be honored to have you killfile him.

I was formerly amused by your insistence that you're a conservative. More
recently it's grown tedious. You can put perfume on a pig, but at the end
of the day it's still a pig.

You have no idea what real conservatism is, because you've got your
head too far up the ass of BushCo to see daylight.

3- facts matter less to you than partisan name-calling

You're the name-calling champ, chump. I've only begun to learn from the
master: thou.

We've seen the posts of the right-wing wackos for months. When they,
and you run out of logic, you fall back on name-calling.

The country has made it's choice. That's good.

Actually it's a democratic republic and entitled to make that choice.

Entitled for sure. Poor choice, IMHO, also for sure.

Your preference for a particular candidate has nothing to do with it. You
obviously don't read well, Doug. Most likely a product of outcome-based
education, sorry. I called you a liberal because of your redundant
diatribes branding the masses as stupid and unfit to run their own affairs.
I think you honestly believe you know what's best for the rest of us,
despite our preference for some other socio-political ideology. That is a
recurrent theme in virtually every leftist regime in history.

Homebased education is typically better than what you'll find in
public schools. Do the research if you don't believe me.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article k.net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Right about where we are today. This country is on a downhill slide. This
is good evidence of it.

Isn't it about time for you to leave, Jon? I'll bet Alec Baldwin, Barbara
Streisand, or Sean Penn will have an extra seat on their private jets for
you, if ya ask nicely.

**** you Max.

But I'm not going to leave, and here's an example of why....

From Salon.com:

Many of my liberal friends are seriously discussing leaving the
country, for Canada or Europe or New Zealand. It is, of course,
tempting. How could we not feel a violent disillusionment and
disconnect when we discovered this morning that the majority of voters
in the country have a worldview we cannot comprehend? That hate and
fear and ignorance can run a successful presidental campaign; that
people will respond to these things with eager glee?

And if I wasn't tempted before leaving the house, one look at my car
with its Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker -- the only car with such a
sticker in the lot -- and how overnight it suddenly acquired a
political statement consisting of eggs and shaving cream -- the only
car in the lot so decorated -- certainly pushed me in that
direction. I imagine the decorators (or their parents) voted on
"moral values," as so many Bush supporters did.

But I'm not going to leave, and I made a list of reasons why.

Because I'm not letting them have New England autumns, New Mexico
sunsets, the Grand Canyon, or Revere Beach.

Because Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank and a few other
stalwarts are isolated enough in a Capitol gone mad without their
supporters pulling up and getting out.

Because over a million people voted for Alan Keyes, and that means
even in Illinois we can't relax.

Because Massachusetts elected a far-right religious zealot in a
gubernatorial race no one bothered to vote in.

Because I do, honestly, want my kids to be American citizens.

Because 200 years ago Americans believed in a separation of church and
state, and if there's one thing we seem to be good at, it's regression.

Because we have to speak up even if they're not coming for us
personally yet. We're educated and energized and relatively
financially secure, and there are a lot of people out there who are
none of those things and are at least initially going to suffer far
more than we are. We have to speak for them if they can't speak for
themselves.

Because this is still my country, and being pro-choice and and an
environmentalist and a pacifist and a believer in intelligent leaders
and an atheist does not make me un-American or unpatriotic -- and that
needs to be screamed from the ****ing rooftops.

Because they vandalized my ****ing car, and that is their level of
discourse.

Because I am not afraid anymore. I am angry.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

OzOne wrote in message

We have much in common....except that I don't believe guns are the
answer to the worlds problems.

Oh, you just had to bring up that issue, dincha?

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message

Here in Oz, voting is compulsory.

Dictatorial, totalitarian state?

Don't display the appalling state of American education quite so
blatantly.

I promise I won't if you'll lighten up a bit when faced with blatant,
obvious sarcasm.

Max

don't they have halloween in CA?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article k.net,
And if I wasn't tempted before leaving the house, one look at my car
with its Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker -- the only car with such a
sticker in the lot -- and how overnight it suddenly acquired a
political statement consisting of eggs and shaving cream -- the only
car in the lot so decorated --

Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
don't they have halloween in CA?

What has that got to do with anything? This isn't about me, although
I'm sure that will disappoint you.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few
more years


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
don't they have halloween in CA?

What has that got to do with anything? This isn't about me, although
I'm sure that will disappoint you.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article , gonefishiing wrote:
just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few
more years

Four more.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

there's no wind
row jon row
G
gf.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
just trying to lighten it up a bit but i see you need to whine for a few
more years

Four more.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."