has anyone been in a severe knockdown or capsize?
 

Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.


Was that the bottom of the main or the top of the main? (Or, the good news was I was only in up to
my ankles, the bad news was I was head first.)

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Summer of 2003 we got caught by a 35kt.? gust on the forward edge of an
extremely large and nasty band of thundershowers while leaving Cleveland-out
of sight of land, no mean feat on Lake Erie-the boat went well over, kids
got scared, blah, blah. I agonized over the decision to leave that morning,
due to the wx, it worked out. Not so much concerned about the wind,
extremely paranoid of a lightning strike. No damage to the boat excepting
the street umbrella/poor man's bimini that got turned inside out. Didn't
have much time to do anything, carelessness and lack of experience on my
part, I think now I would be able to see the wind line and make necessary
changes in sailplan to accommodate the conditions.

John Cairns

In article , OzOne wrote:
On 27 Oct 2004 15:08:08 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) scribbled thusly:

Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.

At least once a year....at a guess.

Please describe!!

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Jeff Morris wrote:
Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.


Was that the bottom of the main or the top of the main? (Or, the good news was I was only in up to
my ankles, the bad news was I was head first.)


Actually, the middle. :-) Damn thing came out of nowhere...




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Jonathan Ganz scribbled thusly:
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.


If solid water didn't pour into the hatch, or at least over the coaming,
then it wasn't a REAL knockdown.


OzOne wrote:
At least once a year....at a guess.

Sounds like fun... do you plan it ahead of time ;)

I've been through several knockdowns, probably several hundred if you
count ones that started out as a spinnaker broachor death roll. One that
stand out in my mind was racing an Olson 30 on day that saw the speedo
hit 18 knots steady.

I remember it because although we broached and dunked the rail several
times that day, one particular time the boat went down hard with at
least 2/3 of the main in the water, the mainsheet slack, the boat being
dragged sideways at maybe 6 or 10 knots making a roaring foamy wake at
both ends. Crew on the high side were hanging from the lifelines, crew
on the lee side were under water. Water was pouring into the cabin and I
was thinking, "well, I hope we don't sink, but if we do, at least it's
not my boat."

Fresh Breezes
Doug King

In article ,
DSK wrote:
I remember it because although we broached and dunked the rail several
times that day, one particular time the boat went down hard with at
least 2/3 of the main in the water, the mainsheet slack, the boat being
dragged sideways at maybe 6 or 10 knots making a roaring foamy wake at
both ends. Crew on the high side were hanging from the lifelines, crew
on the lee side were under water. Water was pouring into the cabin and I
was thinking, "well, I hope we don't sink, but if we do, at least it's
not my boat."

Good thought. Actually, I intended to exclude racing, since it's a lot
more common then.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

....Water was pouring into the cabin and I
was thinking, "well, I hope we don't sink, but if we do, at least it's
not my boat."


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Good thought. Actually, I intended to exclude racing, since it's a lot
more common then.


You're right. Sorry, amend my last post. When cruising or daysailing we
haven't had that happen nearly so often.

We did have a "knockdown" on the Hunter 19 on a day we forgot to fill
the water ballast tank. It was a club gathering, we were running around
the launch area helping other sailors and in the hubbub neither of us
checked the ballast valves. So we're out sailing around, marveling at
how the boat "seems a lot faster today" when WAMMO... a gust laid it
over enough for water to come over the coaming. I'm sure there were
fishes looking in through the cabin windows.

This boat has a rather wide transom and rolling on it's side lifts the
rudder out, so we spun into the wind and levelled out. I said to my
wife, "Did you fill the ballast tank?" "No, did you?"

After that we left the cover to the ballast tank valves off, unless the
tank was *definitely* filled and we were actively sailing. Made it easy
to remember since it was the bottom companionway step.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Gilligan

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article et,
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Gilligan

Please describe!


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Cool! Did you spill your beer?

DSK

Boom touched the water once....that's as far down as we've been knocked (Not
counting the Butterfly....)
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my hand.


Was that the bottom of the main or the top of the main? (Or, the good
news was I was only in up to my ankles, the bad news was I was head
first.)

katysails wrote:
Doug,
As much as I hate qualifying anything BB sats, Mr Sails' Flying Dutchman
that he owned in the mid-70's was molded plywood.

Mr. Sails is a man of perspicacity & resource. I bet his also has
Elvstrom bailers.

Anyway there also were molded wood 470s which were quite high-dollar
racing machines in their day... if well taken care of they stay lighter
& stiffer than fiberglass ones.

If Boobsie-Bill has said 'molded plywood' I might have asked for
clarification instead of just busting "him."

Bluejays, Comets, Snipes, Windmills, and a bunch of other hard-chine
boats were built of plywood. Round-bilge boats have to be molded, and
many classes from Rebels to Thistles have been. Oddly enough Lightnings,
which are hard chine but have an arc bottom instead of flat or V'd, were
never built in plywood (at least not mass produced). They were planked a
variety of ways including double-diagonal with glue saturated cloth in
between.

But I digress. Sorry.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

If solid water didn't pour into the hatch, or at least over the
coaming,
then it wasn't a REAL knockdown.

Does flipping a beach cat count?

Scotty

Scott Vernon wrote:
Does flipping a beach cat count?

Only if you didn't spill the beer.

DSK

No, it's where the fact that
1- you are a sock puppet


Poor Doug! He's still certain Jax was also a sockpuppet.

RB

While sailing our Catalina 27 under the Throgsneck Bridge we were blasted by a
gust of air that put Yoda on her side. Water came over the coamings and
partially filled the cockpit. My buddy said the spreader hit water, but I
didn't see it.

RB

In article ,
Scott Vernon wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
et...

If solid water didn't pour into the hatch, or at least over the
coaming,
then it wasn't a REAL knockdown.

Does flipping a beach cat count?

Scotty

I guess... I've done that more times than I can count. It's not a lot
of fun when you get pounded with waves after it flips.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

wrote:
You love to run around calling anyone you don't agree with a "sock
puppet".

Oh yeah, I do that all the time, don't I?


... Cold Molded IS plywood. It's just glued up over a boat shaped mold,
rather than as a flat sheet.

Yep. But it's not usually called "plywood."


Sorry to hear about your unhappy marriage. Katy seems to think your
wife has worms. Maybe that's why she is an unwilling spouse...


http://community.webshots.com/photo/...07139127mXqvcs

Obviously a woman who just hates sailing.

Boobsie-Bob, you're sad. And I'm done for now, which will make you even
sadder.

DSK

... Cold Molded IS plywood. It's just glued up over a boat shaped mold,
rather than as a flat sheet.

Yep. But it's not usually called "plywood."

Even when corrected, Doug still can't fess up. What an ass.
Bill you have to remember that Doug was once the "proud" owner of a Hunter 19,
a boat arguably less attractive than a Mac26M. The poor clown now sails a
trawler.
The poor fool also thinks we are one in the same. I actually amazed that he
somehow reasoned out that Bush lied.

RB

RB

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...07139127mXqvcs

Obviously a woman who just hates sailing.


Hard to tell with the hat she's wearing. Who's the dude with the sunglasses?

RB

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
t...

If solid water didn't pour into the hatch, or at least over the
coaming,
then it wasn't a REAL knockdown.

Does flipping a beach cat count?

How about pitchpoling a Hobie 15???

(I was on trapeze)


Regards


Donal
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wrote in message
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You love to run around calling anyone you don't agree with a "sock
puppet". It carries no weight, especailly since it is abundantly clear
that you aren't computer literate enough to be able to make such a
determination.


Your "sock puppet" status is not related to computer literacy. You appear
to be a sock puppet because you don't seem to have any opinions of your own.

Everything that you post could have been written by Bob. Of course, a
clever sock-puppet would manage to differentiate himself from his master.



Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote

How about pitchpoling a Hobie 15???


no thanks. I'm getting too old for that.


(I was on Tarzan)

Cheeta?



--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

clever sock-puppet would manage to differentiate himself from his
master.

especially when his master's an idiot.


You may be an idiot, Scotty Potti, but you're most certainly walked by your own
dog!

RB

Donald proves he is yet one more nitwit who throws around terms without
knowing
what they mean.


The man owns a Beneteau. Ask him what he had before that. I dare you!

RB

It was ugly, just look:

http://www.preciousmodels.com/consti...lor2_const.jpg





"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Cool! Did you spill your beer?

DSK

http://www.preciousmodels.com/const2/vanessa.jpg



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article et,
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Gilligan

Please describe!


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Please stop posting my picture on the web.....

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...
It was ugly, just look:

http://www.preciousmodels.com/consti...lor2_const.jpg





"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Cool! Did you spill your beer?

DSK

Katy Wrote...

Please stop posting my picture on the web.....

http://www.silvercreek.wclark.k12.in...ages/KCarney/u
gly_girl.jpeg


Agreed!

RB

15 years ago I had a knock down in the North Sea. We were under way
from Cuxhaven bound for Den Helder. Weather forecast said 6 up to 7
(Beaufort). First night out the wind picked up from 12m/s to 20-25m/s
from SW as a low intensified and we tore the main. The storm
intensified to 30m/s (sustained) and after a day the wind shifted to
NW as the low moved towards ENE.
After a while the waves grew to rather scary sizes. Scattered around
were these massive walls of water, I assume they were cross seas from
the two wave systems. Tidal current could also play a role. I wonder
what would have happened if we had been hit by one of these breaking
monsters. Luckily we weren't.

We were under bare poles maintaining a course with the weather on the
port aft quarter. I was alone in the cockpit with the harness attached
to the traveller, when we were hit by a breaker (smaller that the
really big ones I think). The boat were rolled probably between 90 and
180 degrees while I was under massive green water for what I felt as a
very long time clinging to the harness painter, praying it would not
break of(not a rational thing, but it was all I could get hold on at
the time).

Afterward I remember I was surprised how long time it took for the
water level in the cockpit to sink. The canvas sprayhood were torn of
but were still attached so it could be taken below and repaired later,
the stove had come of and were lying on the floor and a bottle that
were sitting in a bottle holder at the port side in a high of the
water level were smashed on the starboard roof. Some water had come in
to the boat though not a lot (all hatches were off course closed).
Earlier in the storm the salon table were broken and the torn main
were lying on the sole, so it was rather messy below at the time.

After that I kept the stern to weather, and the next day the waves
were not as threatening, the wind had eased a bit and we rigged the
storm jib as a trysail and headed for Helgoland.

The weather forecast had not warned against Storm. When they did issue
storm warnings we had storm already. During the storm we already had
the winds that the weather forecasts warned against.

Peter S/Y Anicula

"Jonathan Ganz" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Just wondering... the worst I've been in was having the main touch
the
water when we got hit with small whirlywind coming from a marsh.
Popped right back up, and it didn't even disturb the beer in my
hand.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

She's a beauty.

Scotty

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...
It was ugly, just look:

http://www.preciousmodels.com/consti...lor2_const.jpg





"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Cool! Did you spill your beer?

DSK

Are you daring me as you, or are you daring me as me?

You thinks me perfectly clearly, I say, and we knows it!

RB

what's with the boat?
really in the way of the pic.
gf.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...
It was ugly, just look:

http://www.preciousmodels.com/consti...lor2_const.jpg





"DSK" wrote in message
t...
Gilligan wrote:
A knockdown that lead to a sinking.

Cool! Did you spill your beer?

DSK

gonefishiing wrote:
what's with the boat?
really in the way of the pic.

There was a boat?

Cheers
Marty

Peter S/Y Anicula wrote:
15 years ago I had a knock down in the North Sea. We were under way
from Cuxhaven bound for Den Helder. (brevity snip)

Wow, now *that's* a knockdown story. Where was the water coming in, was
the boat OK structurally after that?

The Navy ship I was on went through one of those "V-shaped depressions"
in the North Sea and conditions got bad. The ship suffered a good bit of
damage, including having 2" welded stanchions ripped out of the deck.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King