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Jonathan Ganz
 
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At the end of 1989 Harken president Mikel Faulkner told a reporter at the
Petroleum Review that Harken would book more then $6M in end-of-the-year
profits. On Augus 22, 1990, Harken's second- quarter report predicted $23.2M
in losses. Once the news hit the street, the stock sank immediately from $4
to $2.37; it later bottomed out at $0.22/share. Eight and a half months
later The Wall Street Journal reported that GWB was under investigation for
failure to report he stock sales made around June 1990. The chairman of the
SEC was Richard Breeden, who had worked for Sr. Bush as an economic advisor.
The general councel at the SEC was James Doty, the same James Doty of the
Baker Botts law firm, who represented GWB when he bought his 2% interest in
the Texas Rangers with the money he got from dumping his Harken stock. The
Houston law firm was founded by the great-grandfather of James Baker III,
secretary of state under Bush Sr. and the point man for GWB in Florida after
the disputed 2000 election.

Breeden and Doty never asked for and interview with the subject of their
investigation. Since 1993, Breeden, Doty, and other partners of Baker Botts
have contributed over $200K to GWB's political campaigns, making the firm
the pres's number fourteen career patrol. They were just beaten out for
number 13 by the now defunct Arthur Anderson.

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Scott Vernon
 
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Ganz, knock off the political bull ****.




"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

[snip]

Jon, you need to refrain from regurgitating the claims of others in

areas of
the law where you know nothing.

The late filing was a Form 4. That form is filed under Section 16(a)

of the
Exchange Act. Form 4 is designed to alert a company's shareholders

to claims
the company may have under Section 16(b). Section 16(b) requires an

officer,
director or 10% shareholder to repay any profit he makes on a

purchase and
sale, or a sale and purchase, of a company's stock within 6 months,
regardless of whether the purchase and/or sale was made on the basis

of
inside information. Whether or not the filing is late, the officer,
director or insider has to give back any profit made on a purchase

and sale
within 6 months. If there wasn't a purchase and sale within 6 months

there
is no liability, whether or not the filing was timely made.

There is a group of lawyers who make a living by checking SEC

filings for
purchases and sales within 6 months, and a late filing does the

officer or
director no good whatever in that regard. If there was a purchase

and sale
within 6 months, shortly after the filing the company will get a

letter from
one of these lawyers pointing out that the company is required to

get the
profit back from the insider. If the company hasn't already gotten

the
profit back, it can expect to receive a bill from one of these

lawyers for
the "service" performed in calling the company's attention to its

right to
recover. Been there. Done that. On the one occasion when one of my

clients
got such a letter, we were able to politely reply that the matter

had been
taken care of before the company got the letter, so the service was

not
required.

It's not at all uncommon for Form 4s to be late. In fact it's so

common that
the Annual Report on Form 10K has a box to check if the filing

discloses a
late filing of Form 3, 4 or 5. Over the course of more than 30 years

I've
seen many many late filings of Forms 3, 4 and 5. None of the filers

even got
a letter from the SEC about the late filing, let alone an

investigation. So
it sounds like Bush's late filing got precisely the same treatment

as
virtually every other late Form 4.

Dave



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Jonathan Ganz
 
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Bush lied Mr. Poodle. You can talk about forms all you want, but the only
one that counts is the one that Bush seems bent on shoving up the country's
ass.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

snippin


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Jonathan Ganz
 
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Scotty, knock off the stupid fool bit. You're good at it, but it gets old
fast.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz, knock off the political bull ****.




"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

[snip]

Jon, you need to refrain from regurgitating the claims of others in

areas of
the law where you know nothing.

The late filing was a Form 4. That form is filed under Section 16(a)

of the
Exchange Act. Form 4 is designed to alert a company's shareholders

to claims
the company may have under Section 16(b). Section 16(b) requires an

officer,
director or 10% shareholder to repay any profit he makes on a

purchase and
sale, or a sale and purchase, of a company's stock within 6 months,
regardless of whether the purchase and/or sale was made on the basis

of
inside information. Whether or not the filing is late, the officer,
director or insider has to give back any profit made on a purchase

and sale
within 6 months. If there wasn't a purchase and sale within 6 months

there
is no liability, whether or not the filing was timely made.

There is a group of lawyers who make a living by checking SEC

filings for
purchases and sales within 6 months, and a late filing does the

officer or
director no good whatever in that regard. If there was a purchase

and sale
within 6 months, shortly after the filing the company will get a

letter from
one of these lawyers pointing out that the company is required to

get the
profit back from the insider. If the company hasn't already gotten

the
profit back, it can expect to receive a bill from one of these

lawyers for
the "service" performed in calling the company's attention to its

right to
recover. Been there. Done that. On the one occasion when one of my

clients
got such a letter, we were able to politely reply that the matter

had been
taken care of before the company got the letter, so the service was

not
required.

It's not at all uncommon for Form 4s to be late. In fact it's so

common that
the Annual Report on Form 10K has a box to check if the filing

discloses a
late filing of Form 3, 4 or 5. Over the course of more than 30 years

I've
seen many many late filings of Forms 3, 4 and 5. None of the filers

even got
a letter from the SEC about the late filing, let alone an

investigation. So
it sounds like Bush's late filing got precisely the same treatment

as
virtually every other late Form 4.

Dave





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PLONK


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Scotty, knock off the stupid fool bit. You're good at it, but it

gets old
fast.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz, knock off the political bull ****.




"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

[snip]

Jon, you need to refrain from regurgitating the claims of others

in
areas of
the law where you know nothing.

The late filing was a Form 4. That form is filed under Section

16(a)
of the
Exchange Act. Form 4 is designed to alert a company's

shareholders
to claims
the company may have under Section 16(b). Section 16(b) requires

an
officer,
director or 10% shareholder to repay any profit he makes on a

purchase and
sale, or a sale and purchase, of a company's stock within 6

months,
regardless of whether the purchase and/or sale was made on the

basis
of
inside information. Whether or not the filing is late, the

officer,
director or insider has to give back any profit made on a

purchase
and sale
within 6 months. If there wasn't a purchase and sale within 6

months
there
is no liability, whether or not the filing was timely made.

There is a group of lawyers who make a living by checking SEC

filings for
purchases and sales within 6 months, and a late filing does the

officer or
director no good whatever in that regard. If there was a purchase

and sale
within 6 months, shortly after the filing the company will get a

letter from
one of these lawyers pointing out that the company is required to

get the
profit back from the insider. If the company hasn't already

gotten
the
profit back, it can expect to receive a bill from one of these

lawyers for
the "service" performed in calling the company's attention to its

right to
recover. Been there. Done that. On the one occasion when one of

my
clients
got such a letter, we were able to politely reply that the matter

had been
taken care of before the company got the letter, so the service

was
not
required.

It's not at all uncommon for Form 4s to be late. In fact it's so

common that
the Annual Report on Form 10K has a box to check if the filing

discloses a
late filing of Form 3, 4 or 5. Over the course of more than 30

years
I've
seen many many late filings of Forms 3, 4 and 5. None of the

filers
even got
a letter from the SEC about the late filing, let alone an

investigation. So
it sounds like Bush's late filing got precisely the same

treatment
as
virtually every other late Form 4.

Dave









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Yipeee!!!!!

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
PLONK


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Scotty, knock off the stupid fool bit. You're good at it, but it

gets old
fast.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz, knock off the political bull ****.




"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

[snip]

Jon, you need to refrain from regurgitating the claims of others

in
areas of
the law where you know nothing.

The late filing was a Form 4. That form is filed under Section

16(a)
of the
Exchange Act. Form 4 is designed to alert a company's

shareholders
to claims
the company may have under Section 16(b). Section 16(b) requires

an
officer,
director or 10% shareholder to repay any profit he makes on a
purchase and
sale, or a sale and purchase, of a company's stock within 6

months,
regardless of whether the purchase and/or sale was made on the

basis
of
inside information. Whether or not the filing is late, the

officer,
director or insider has to give back any profit made on a

purchase
and sale
within 6 months. If there wasn't a purchase and sale within 6

months
there
is no liability, whether or not the filing was timely made.

There is a group of lawyers who make a living by checking SEC
filings for
purchases and sales within 6 months, and a late filing does the
officer or
director no good whatever in that regard. If there was a purchase
and sale
within 6 months, shortly after the filing the company will get a
letter from
one of these lawyers pointing out that the company is required to
get the
profit back from the insider. If the company hasn't already

gotten
the
profit back, it can expect to receive a bill from one of these
lawyers for
the "service" performed in calling the company's attention to its
right to
recover. Been there. Done that. On the one occasion when one of

my
clients
got such a letter, we were able to politely reply that the matter
had been
taken care of before the company got the letter, so the service

was
not
required.

It's not at all uncommon for Form 4s to be late. In fact it's so
common that
the Annual Report on Form 10K has a box to check if the filing
discloses a
late filing of Form 3, 4 or 5. Over the course of more than 30

years
I've
seen many many late filings of Forms 3, 4 and 5. None of the

filers
even got
a letter from the SEC about the late filing, let alone an
investigation. So
it sounds like Bush's late filing got precisely the same

treatment
as
virtually every other late Form 4.

Dave








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There you have it folks, Scotty finally poped something inside his think
head. It's ok for him to insult, but it isn't for anyone else. Sounds like
he's picked the candidate most like himself. George W. Bush, the wimp and
liar.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
PLONK


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Scotty, knock off the stupid fool bit. You're good at it, but it

gets old
fast.

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www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Ganz, knock off the political bull ****.




"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:23 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

[snip]

Jon, you need to refrain from regurgitating the claims of others

in
areas of
the law where you know nothing.

The late filing was a Form 4. That form is filed under Section

16(a)
of the
Exchange Act. Form 4 is designed to alert a company's

shareholders
to claims
the company may have under Section 16(b). Section 16(b) requires

an
officer,
director or 10% shareholder to repay any profit he makes on a
purchase and
sale, or a sale and purchase, of a company's stock within 6

months,
regardless of whether the purchase and/or sale was made on the

basis
of
inside information. Whether or not the filing is late, the

officer,
director or insider has to give back any profit made on a

purchase
and sale
within 6 months. If there wasn't a purchase and sale within 6

months
there
is no liability, whether or not the filing was timely made.

There is a group of lawyers who make a living by checking SEC
filings for
purchases and sales within 6 months, and a late filing does the
officer or
director no good whatever in that regard. If there was a purchase
and sale
within 6 months, shortly after the filing the company will get a
letter from
one of these lawyers pointing out that the company is required to
get the
profit back from the insider. If the company hasn't already

gotten
the
profit back, it can expect to receive a bill from one of these
lawyers for
the "service" performed in calling the company's attention to its
right to
recover. Been there. Done that. On the one occasion when one of

my
clients
got such a letter, we were able to politely reply that the matter
had been
taken care of before the company got the letter, so the service

was
not
required.

It's not at all uncommon for Form 4s to be late. In fact it's so
common that
the Annual Report on Form 10K has a box to check if the filing
discloses a
late filing of Form 3, 4 or 5. Over the course of more than 30

years
I've
seen many many late filings of Forms 3, 4 and 5. None of the

filers
even got
a letter from the SEC about the late filing, let alone an
investigation. So
it sounds like Bush's late filing got precisely the same

treatment
as
virtually every other late Form 4.

Dave








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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

, Scotty finally poped something inside his think
head.


"Poped"? When did Scotty convert, Katy will be thrilled!

Cheers
Marty

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In article ,
Martin Baxter wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

, Scotty finally poped something inside his think
head.


"Poped"? When did Scotty convert, Katy will be thrilled!


Pooped... sorry. No thinking involved.



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In article ,
Martin Baxter wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

, Scotty finally poped something inside his think
head.


"Poped"? When did Scotty convert, Katy will be thrilled!


ok, ok, popped, popped, as in Poopy Bush. I mean Poppy Bush.



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