On 29 Oct 2004 14:09:07 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:


We spend something like 15% of GDP on healthcare in the US, but we
don't cover 41 million. Bush's "plan" would decrease that number by
about 2.5 million. Kerry's plan would decrease that number by about 27
million (not enough, but good progress). While Kerry's plan isn't
cheap, it would cover ALL children. I think that's the least we can do
for our citizens.


Next you'll try telling me the government should pay for our food and
shelter, because "it's good for the children."





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 28 Oct 2004 16:00:03 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

Thanks for clarifying. So, in simpler language, what you're saying is
that you support the notion that women should be subject to the whim
of state legislators, similar to how blacks were treated by those very
same legislators. Basically, they shouldn't have the right to choose
under federal law.


About time you started making some sense, Jon-boy. Maybe someday
I'll finally become a man.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 28 Oct 2004 16:00:03 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

Thanks for clarifying. So, in simpler language, what you're saying
is
that you support the notion that women should be subject to the
whim
of state legislators, similar to how blacks were treated by those
very
same legislators. Basically, they shouldn't have the right to
choose
under federal law.


About time you started making some sense, Jon-boy. Maybe someday
you'll finally become a man.

I'm saving up for the operation.

Katy, the vaccines are a dead virus. Do you have any idea what you're
talking about??
If you had said the inhaled version, then at least you'd have an argument.

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"katysails" wrote in message
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No...injecting foreign substances into your body that you do not need is
not a good idea when it comes to viri. They mutate too fast in in ways
that are too complicated to keep up with new technology.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
katysails wrote:
Do that...you're still going to die sometime....

Whatever. The point is that innoculating people agaist the flu is a
very good idea. We normally lose 36K or so people every year to
it. Some people are at higher risk that others, but some flu strains
are deadly to even normally healthy people. We're lucky that this year
is a mild season. What if it had been a bad one, ala 1918, and Bush
had failed to follow up on the advice he was given to do something to
ensure the supply? Instead of a few extra deaths, we might have a few
tens of thousands of extra deaths. Bush did nothing.

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"If there's no wind, row."

"katysails" wrote in message
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The residents medical needs are met by Medicare but their room and board
is not....and no, I'm not against vaccination when it makes sense.
Influenza is a dangerous disease..to some. To you. You certainly need a
flu shot.

Most people would benefit from the vaccination. Check the CDC. Up until this
fiasco, that's what they've been recommending.

It is not like the vaccines made for other diseases...it has to be
re-configured a guess every year and is not a broad spectrum vaccine. The
reasons why there were flu epidemics in the past are mostly gone in this
country.

They are reconfigured. It's more than a guess and less than a certainty.

You do not know that for a fact. It's a guess and not a very good one.

Get your facts straight.

We do not have wide-scale starvation (malnutrition is not starvation...it
means you are not eating correctly..not eating at all...),

We do have situations of starvation, but it isn't wide-scale. What's your
point?

we have adequate sanitation, and a better understanding of how viri are
caught. Handwashing, self quarantine when infected, and use of masks are
far better options to choose than the needle...for the healthy.

No. They're one of many things that help prevent getting or spreading the
virus.

And as far as the government being involved in health care goes...I believe
there should be research and development and there should be a regulatory
agency but I do not believe the government should be the administrator of
or the provider of health care services except to assistance programs.

No one does. The point is that Bush's administration DID NOTHING.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Katie,

I hope you're not saying, " no more Polio, TB, scarlet fever, small
pox,etc shots" I like the Federal Gov to be involved in our health
care.

Does your Health Care Center take Medicare Payments?

Ole Thom

Hormone replacement therapy?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:10:07 -0700, (Thom Stewart)
wrote this crap:

Katie,

I, have a very different Mind set, having Myasthania Gravis. We have
to take a drug called Mestinon. What I have to pay for a Hundred tablets
($100.00) can be purchased overseas for ($8.00


I feel for you. I take a certain medication that costs $85 for sixty
tablets. I'm supposed to take two a day, so that would be $85 each
month. The medication is made by Pfizer, (and it's not viagra or
anything like that.) In Canada, it's only slightly cheaper.

With my drug card, it only costs me $25.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Si I dropped a friggin i from the word...so what? And I've never been to
receptionist school or whatever you call it...I went to a Catholic lib arts
college....and if you read any of the postings on this ng, you'd know that
your opinion is held in respect by one person only....you know, maybe
injecting a foreign substance into your veins might be a good idea...

wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:40:40 GMT, "katysails"
wrote:

No...injecting foreign substances into your body that you do not need is
not
a good idea when it comes to viri.

The word viri does not exist in the english language. If youo had gone to
medical school rather than telephone receptionist school, you would know
that.
You would also know that your opinions amount to ignorant superstition.

BB

And BTW....virus is a Latin derivative...if you had attended med school
instead of septic tank repair class, you'd know that....
wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:40:40 GMT, "katysails"
wrote:

No...injecting foreign substances into your body that you do not need is
not
a good idea when it comes to viri.

The word viri does not exist in the english language. If youo had gone to
medical school rather than telephone receptionist school, you would know
that.
You would also know that your opinions amount to ignorant superstition.

BB

sigh....you are truly hopeless...

"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:25:39 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

The fact of the matter is, you have to die sometime. And of something.
So
it might as well be flu or yb or something like that rather than failed
kidneys, malingering cancer, or any number of other unpleasant ways to
go....life is a cycle...you live and then you die...get over it....you
too,
will die...nothing you can do about it....

Not me. In fact, I know plenty of people that haven't died.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You misread....I know they inject dead virus samples....however, the virus
you are trying to protect against mutates too fast for that to be
efficacious for any period of time.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Katy, the vaccines are a dead virus. Do you have any idea what you're
talking about??
If you had said the inhaled version, then at least you'd have an argument.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katysails" wrote in message
...
No...injecting foreign substances into your body that you do not need is
not a good idea when it comes to viri. They mutate too fast in in ways
that are too complicated to keep up with new technology.
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
katysails wrote:
Do that...you're still going to die sometime....

Whatever. The point is that innoculating people agaist the flu is a
very good idea. We normally lose 36K or so people every year to
it. Some people are at higher risk that others, but some flu strains
are deadly to even normally healthy people. We're lucky that this year
is a mild season. What if it had been a bad one, ala 1918, and Bush
had failed to follow up on the advice he was given to do something to
ensure the supply? Instead of a few extra deaths, we might have a few
tens of thousands of extra deaths. Bush did nothing.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."