In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 14 Oct 2004 13:03:38 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the
public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

Good quote, Jon. But pretty funny coming from the guy backing a candidate
whose promise to every interest group is "I gonna give you [fill in the
blank--free health care, good schools, higher wages, etc. etc.] and that
fella over there is gonna pay for it."

Well, in Bush's case, he's already done that. Actually, not every
interest group... mostly just the energy ones, the ones who's execs
don't give a crap about anyone except themselves. Bummer about
teachers and healthcare workers wanting a voice... a real bummer isn't
it?

I may have pointed out before that we're getting very near the tipping point
where the majority of Americans pay no federal income tax. When that 50%
threshold is crossed, look for all hell to break loose as the non-taxpayers
vote to extract more and more for themselves from fewer and fewer.

This is exactly what BushCo is doing now. Why wait.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

We live in a Republic. A Democracy is mob rule, where 51% rule the other
49%.

Gilligan

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 14 Oct 2004 13:03:38 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the
public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

Good quote, Jon. But pretty funny coming from the guy backing a candidate
whose promise to every interest group is "I gonna give you [fill in the
blank--free health care, good schools, higher wages, etc. etc.] and that
fella over there is gonna pay for it."

Well, in Bush's case, he's already done that. Actually, not every
interest group... mostly just the energy ones, the ones who's execs
don't give a crap about anyone except themselves. Bummer about
teachers and healthcare workers wanting a voice... a real bummer isn't
it?

I may have pointed out before that we're getting very near the tipping
point
where the majority of Americans pay no federal income tax. When that 50%
threshold is crossed, look for all hell to break loose as the
non-taxpayers
vote to extract more and more for themselves from fewer and fewer.

This is exactly what BushCo is doing now. Why wait.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article . net,
Gilligan wrote:
We live in a Republic. A Democracy is mob rule, where 51% rule the other
49%.

Gilligan

And, it's the obligation, the moral duty of the majority to protect
the rights of the minority.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

I fail to see where this rather simple statement mentions welfare or
schools. Can you explain further?


Vito wrote:
Sure. They are not mentioned elsewhere in the Constitution either. Therefor
10 reserves them to the states or people making it unconstitutional for
fedgov to take part in or control our schools or welfare systems or police
or .... etc. That's the states' job.

Yes, and the states are the ones who are primarily responsible for
keeping the ball rolling. Personally, I'd agree that the Feds have no
business saying anything at all about schools but the big issues that
comes up is one of interstate accountability... and that *is*
constitutionally the Fed's job.

The income tax is also unconstitutional... the Supreme Court knocked
down a Federal income tax two or three times (maybe more) before they
finally let it stick... the reason? World War 1.

Frankly, the most important democracy in the world is our corporations.
The problem is that most shares are held by mutual funds or retirement
funds who just hand over a proxy. Would you do that with your vote for
President... or for county commissioner?

Regards
Doug King

If I have to wait more than 15 or 20 minutes to see a doctor, I leave and
find a new doctor..

My policy is 30 minutes. I was mainly speeking in general terms. How a lot of
doctors treat patients.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"