"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

So you believe that some ignorant bumbkin who tries to "marry" his
sister is more qualified than you or I to decide the direction of the
country.

Whoa there!! The grandfather of Judism, and thus of Christianity and Islam
not only married his sister but pimped her to run his badger game.

Humor aside, cities are artificial environments that insulate their
inhabitants from reality, thus making them unfit to make national decisions.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

I grew up saying "under God," and I don't find it offensive. It's a
tempest in a teapot.

I did not, so I do find it patently offensive. Grant's addition of "In God
We Trust" to our money was the camels nose in the tent and the next thing
anybody knew the God Eaters had saddled us with prohibition and made the
mere mention of birth control, let alone abortion was a felony punishable by
20 years in prison!! We didn't get rid of the latter until the early 1960s!
"In God We Trust" is the camel's neck.

"Dave" wrote

I certainly hope so. The USSC is seriously off track. It needs a strong
reminder that its job is to exercise the judicial power and leave the
legislative power where it was placed by the Constitution, rather than
acting like a super-legislature. ....

A primary task of the SCotUS is defending the Constitution against both the
legislature and the president. Both are prone to enact measures that the
Constitution forbids them to enact. Ditto the states. For example, the
Constitution says that "Congress shall pass no law .... abridging the
freedom of speech ...." yet Congress has done so many times. (What is so
hard to understand about "no law"?). For example, the Congress passed the
Comstock Act forbidding among other "obsceneties", the mere discussion of
birth control - and for over half a century you could have gotten 20 years
in prison for asking anyone, even your MD, how to avoid pregnancy. This
treason persisted until the early 1960s, when the SC overthrough that law.
Of course radical Christians, hell-bent on imposing papal morality, accused
the court of "acting like a super legislature".

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

So you believe that some ignorant bumbkin who tries to "marry" his
sister is more qualified than you or I to decide the direction of the
country.

Whoa there!! The grandfather of Judism, and thus of Christianity and Islam
not only married his sister but pimped her to run his badger game.

Humor aside, cities are artificial environments that insulate their
inhabitants from reality, thus making them unfit to make national decisions.

Damn, I thought I could get that by you guys.... g



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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:15:52 -0400, "Vito" said:

Humor aside, cities are artificial environments that insulate their
inhabitants from reality, thus making them unfit to make national decisions.

That certainly seems to apply in spades to San Francisco.

Really? You have a lot of exerience in SF? Where? In the gay bars no
doubt.

I agree entirely with the first part of the sentence. As to the second, it's
too broad. There are certainly some folks like Jon, whose intellectual
horizons seem to stop at the city line. There are others who appreciate that
there's a big diverse country out there with intelligent and talented people
who have reached conclusions different from those of us who live in what
Tennessee Williams called the cities' vast bee-hives, and whose conclusions
may have as much validity as our own.

Watch your mouth Dave. You don't know anything about me, and some of
my relatives are pretty good with plows and pitchforks.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

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Dave wrote:
On 6 Oct 2004 18:23:34 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

I ask again:

So tell me, Jonathan, how many opinions written by Thomas have you actually
read? How many by the other justices?

Come back and address the matter after you've acquired some very basic
familiarity with the subject. Else your nearly non-existent credibility
merely continues to plummet with each post.

No. I think you need to come back to the issue at hand. Bush and
Cheney are proven LIARS.

Recall please, Jonathan that you introduced the subject of Supreme Court
nominees. Since you've now been shown to be totally ignorant of the facts
necessary to discuss the topic intelligently, you again want to change the
subject.

So how many of those opinions have you read?

Enough to know what I'm talking about. No please prove to us how many
you're read and UNDERSTOOD.

In any case, BUSH AND CHENEY ARE LIARS.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:40:40 -0400, "Vito" said:

A primary task of the SCotUS is defending the Constitution against both the
legislature and the president.

So, Vito, perhaps you could point out to me where in the Constitution I find
the words "privacy" and "abortion." I seem to have missed them. In fact I
don't think I even see a mention of them in The Federalist papers.

How about Life and Liberty? Of course, I suppose you value the barely
potential life of a damaged fetus vs. that of a healthy woman.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

I grew up saying "under God," and I don't find it offensive. It's a
tempest in a teapot.

I did not, so I do find it patently offensive. Grant's addition of "In God
We Trust" to our money was the camels nose in the tent and the next thing
anybody knew the God Eaters had saddled us with prohibition and made the
mere mention of birth control, let alone abortion was a felony punishable by
20 years in prison!! We didn't get rid of the latter until the early 1960s!
"In God We Trust" is the camel's neck.

I can understand it. I have no problem getting rid of all that sort of
language. I'm not offended, but I can see how others would be.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:23:34 -0400, "Vito" said:

Grant's addition of "In God
We Trust" to our money was the camels nose in the tent

You're a bit late on that one. Ever hear the phrase "endowed by their
Creator?"

Maybe their creator was Bevis and Butthead.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 7 Oct 2004 12:18:05 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

I agree entirely with the first part of the sentence. As to the second, it's
too broad. There are certainly some folks like Jon, whose intellectual
horizons seem to stop at the city line. There are others who appreciate that
there's a big diverse country out there with intelligent and talented people
who have reached conclusions different from those of us who live in what
Tennessee Williams called the cities' vast bee-hives, and whose conclusions
may have as much validity as our own.

Watch your mouth Dave. You don't know anything about me, and some of
my relatives are pretty good with plows and pitchforks.

Perhaps. But based on your characterization of outlanders apparently they
aren't among those intelligent and talented people I described above.

I was just talking about your and Joe's relatives, not the great
unwashed in the heartland.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."