"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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TODAY IS OCT. 2nd . IT IS NOW FALL (AUTUMN) .

has been for more than a week.


Good point, Scotty Potty. The really fast and powerful T-storms are
mostly over
now, though they never keep us home anway.


I guess if you never sail more than a mile from your dock you're ok
then.

"Bobsprit" wrote

But most importantly, a boat where I can EAT. Eating is
fun!

RB

now, though they never keep us home anway.


I guess if you never sail more than a mile from your dock you're ok
then.


More proof that Scotty Potti doesn't sail. It's better to be well away from
land when a T-storm blows through so you have room to run.
Still, if Scotty Potti is THAT scared he could still sail VERY close to the
dock for a fast retreat. That's still less luberly than staying home watching
cable.

RB

"Mr. Daysailor" wrote
Fall and a front is coming through, not a Summer
storm. BIG difference.


Yep, the summer storms come up faster and are more violent. These
fall storms
are pretty light stuff.

Oh, I see, so a SLOW , predicted thunderstorm is fun to sail in,
right?

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote ...


More proof that Scotty Potti doesn't sail.


No need to rub it in.

SV

Yep, the summer storms come up faster and are more violent. These
fall storms
are pretty light stuff.

Oh, I see, so a SLOW , predicted thunderstorm is fun to sail in,
right?

Sure. We were in one a month ago. It was cooler day, like today. The storm
caught us about a mile from Execution rocks. No big deal. Liz handed up the
foul weather gear. We lost visibility for about 5 minutes completely. The rain
hurt a bit with the wind, but no big deal. It was fun and it's part of sailing.
An hour later we managed to beat around another line, then got caught by the
tip of a small one, which we sailed through dispite some pretty dramatic gusts.

RB

yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile assesment

most of the t storms in LIS are potetnially dangerous events
some are accompanied by line sqaulls and pack real and dangerous winds
in october they are usually produced by a front moving thru.
either way....they are moving and sometimes moving dangerously fast.

i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses

i have also sailed thru several while the coast guard channel was abuzz with
rescue efforts in progress..........several tragically unsuccessful efforts.
one near Rye and the other in Oyster bay a few years ago.

line squalls are reasonably predictable as to when they will hit. just
listen to NOAA. if the words pennsylaviania, NJ and 50mph get joined with
the words moving north at 30MPH......well you know what to expect..90 miles
away.30 mph per hour............you can do the rest.
they seem to move consistently up the coast.

T storms to some degree are also reasonably predictable.........watch the
sky. (duh!)
given the visible distance you can see in LIS (to the west and south) i say
it would be difficult to sail around one. and if you sail any distance off
your mooring, i'd say you ain't getting back between the time you see the
storm and it is over you.
most of these storms (in the summer) seem to always approach from the south,
which means they come from the general direction of manhattan.
"visiblity" is probably limited to what? ...maybe 10 miles. (the distance
before you realize what you are looking at) even if the storm is lugging
along at a measely 2 mph (usually much faster)......you now have 30 minutes
to get back to your mooring.

you should also be able to tell from NOAA the track of the storm. Words like
Rockland and Orange county and maybe even Hudson Valley will usually mean it
is to the north of you.--but not always. Words like Manhattan and Queens
county.....well your likely in it's track.

sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring
two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

but there are always exceptions.....a few years ago there was a t storm
stalled along a north-south line thru the sound, along the southern edge. we
sailed all day along the northern edge of this storm without a worry and in
sunshine. remarkable and memorable day.

the decision to go or not is also dependant on who will be
aboard..........and it is not with anyone how does not know the potential
implications.

yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.

as for T Storms being fun.....well to each his own
i used to think so.
have you ever seen what lightening can do?
not interested in going thru that again............much less be aboard when
it happens if it's avoidable.


GF.








wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:08:55 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.


Incredible that Scotty Potti would post such a cowardly post.


You think a sailor should ignore weather forecasts and set sail into
thunderstorms?

Scotty


On the LIS during the summer, almost any rain forecast mentions possible
T-Storms. They do occur occasionally, but they are usually not at all
widespread, and you can easily sail around them.

BB

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile
assesment

Yes, except it is not Summer in LIS now.



i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses


I'd rather wait a day and sail in nice weather. Must be getting old.
I used to ride motorcycle in the snow, but no more.



sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring

That's bob.


two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

a Mac26X?



yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own
assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and
feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.


In the summer, it's hard not to, as almost everyday there's a 'chance
of t-storms'. I don't mind getting wet when it's warm, but it is
cooling down now with this cold front.

A nice thing about the Chesapeake, there are lots of well protected
anchorages scattered throughout the bay where you can 'duck for
cover'.


Scotty

yeah motorcycles in the snow
thanks --had not thought about that in a long time
what did you ride?
me........ i've had a bunch of bikes
starting with an old single cylinder harley from the 1960's if i remember
correctly it was a 250cc thumper.
a couple of crazy dirt bikes. the only way you could ride them was WFO.
72 trumiph bonneville...a fun bike
an 850 road commando...wish i never got rid of it
77 HD XLCH ...long gone
77 KZ1000-rocket ship still sitting in a garage for the last 15 years
unridden
a few others hardly worth mentioning.
thinking about buying a HD again............we'll see

sailed thru a hail storm in october about 3 years ago in bright sunshine
while being pelted with chunks of ice
ouch that hurt. the sound of hail bouncing off the deck and rig is pretty
incredible.

today we'll be bicycling in the rain if all goes as planned
:)
gf.






"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile
assesment

Yes, except it is not Summer in LIS now.



i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses


I'd rather wait a day and sail in nice weather. Must be getting old.
I used to ride motorcycle in the snow, but no more.



sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring

That's bob.


two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

a Mac26X?



yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own
assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and
feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.


In the summer, it's hard not to, as almost everyday there's a 'chance
of t-storms'. I don't mind getting wet when it's warm, but it is
cooling down now with this cold front.

A nice thing about the Chesapeake, there are lots of well protected
anchorages scattered throughout the bay where you can 'duck for
cover'.


Scotty

wrote

sail around them?


Yep, do it all the time. If you pay attention, you can see the
storms well
before they arrive. With RADAR it's even easier. These LIS thunder
storms are
usually not very large as far as area covered. On days with
scattered showers,
we manage to sail around most of those, too.


don't have radar, but I do watch The Weather Channel and they're
showing rain ( not scattered showers) and t-storms for today through
tonight. so I'm avoiding them by staying home.
The rain is forecast for the whole East Central region. How would you
sail around that?

Scotty