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I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.

Rats!

Scotty

We have a cold front coming through, after Sat. , the rest of the week
looks great. Sunny and cooler. Maybe I should go sailing.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:12:26 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east
coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.

Rats!

Scotty


Same this end of town....a holiday long weekend and it's ****ing
down
and blowing a gale with 3 metre swells outside.

Lucky I've scored some free gold passes to the footy grand final.
Go the Roosters!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.


Incredible that Scotty Potti would post such a cowardly post.
We're sailing tomorrow, though Thomas will stay home. Rains won't be steady.

RB

Scotty Potti wrote....

We have a cold front coming through, after Sat. , the rest of the week
looks great. Sunny and cooler. Maybe I should watch more TV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.


Incredible that Scotty Potti would post such a cowardly post.


You think a sailor should ignore weather forecasts and set sail into
thunderstorms?

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote
We're sailing tomorrow, though Thomas will stay home. Rains won't be
steady.


Good for you bob. I'm staying home and cleaning up the rec room.

Where are you sailing to? How many days will you be out? Don't
forget your GPS batteries.

Scotty

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:12:26 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.

Rats!

Scotty

Hopefully it will all be clear and beautiful in a couple of weeks. I
am heading to Maine. I realize the sailing season is over but I
haven't been up that way for a while and the airfares were cheap, so
what the hell. The only bad news is that I have to lay over in
Newark, but I hear that there are some good deals to be had on used
sailing electronics and such, althought the serial numbers may no
longer be readable.

Anyway, if anyone will be in Camden, I'll buy the first round or five
at Cappy's Chowder House. I wonder if they kept that sailing bag I
accidentally left there the last time I was there...? Anyway, great
state of Maine, here I come.

"Scott Vernon" wrote
I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.


What, you can't sail in the rain? Wuss!

OzOne wrote:
Same this end of town....a holiday long weekend and it's ****ing down
and blowing a gale with 3 metre swells outside.

3 metre swells is a bit more of a deterrent than rain.


Lucky I've scored some free gold passes to the footy grand final.
Go the Roosters!

Your sports team is named Roosters? What sort of image is that?

DSK

Should have gone Friday. Friday was a 10!
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

You think a sailor should ignore weather forecasts and set sail into
thunderstorms?


T-Storms are predicted most hot days ALL SUMMER LONG. Today is no different.
We've been in several this summer and most recently last month. No big deal.
They are short and fun. With the radar we can also see them coming.
Today is a fine sailing day.

RB

Where are you sailing to? How many days will you be out? Don't
forget your GPS batteries.


With a new baby in the house I won't be leaving Suzanne at home for long. We're
sailing for the Afternoon and trying out the new radio with WHAM mic as well.
Have fun watching TV all day!

RB

"DSK" wrote


Lucky I've scored some free gold passes to the footy grand final.
Go the Roosters!

Your sports team is named Roosters? What sort of image is that?


Right up there with 'Delaware Blue Hens', or the 'SC Game Cocks'.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:36:12 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

We have a cold front coming through, after Sat. , the rest of the
week
looks great. Sunny and cooler. Maybe I should go sailing.

Scotty

Yep, a little rain won't hurt you .

How about a little lightning?

SV

some of us still work ya know.

SV


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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Should have gone Friday. Friday was a 10!
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

NEWS FLASH !!!!!! NEWS FLASH !!!!!! NEWS FLASH !!!!!!

TO; BB & RB

TODAY IS OCT. 2nd . IT IS NOW FALL (AUTUMN) .

has been for more than a week.

Scotty


T-Storms are predicted most hot days ALL SUMMER LONG. Today is no
different.
RB

wrote

On the LIS during the summer, almost any rain forecast mentions
possible
T-Storms.

"Bobsprit" wrote You think a sailor should ignore
weather forecasts and set sail into
thunderstorms?


T-Storms are predicted most hot days ALL SUMMER LONG. Today is no
different.


yes it is, it is Fall and a front is coming through, not a Summer
storm. BIG difference.

SV

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Where are you sailing to? How many days will you be out? Don't
forget your GPS batteries.


With a new baby in the house I won't be leaving Suzanne at home for
long. We're
sailing for the Afternoon


All afternoon, eh? I can see where you need a bigger, faster boat.

It must be hell being cooped up in a 32'er ALL afternoon.

Scotty

wrote
Scotty


On the LIS during the summer, almost any rain forecast mentions
possible
T-Storms. They do occur occasionally, but they are usually not at
all
widespread, and you can easily sail around them.


sail around them?

Yep, a little rain won't hurt you .

How about a little lightning?



Good grief. Scotty, you ARE Scotty Potti.

RB

All afternoon, eh? I can see where you need a bigger, faster boat.

It must be hell being cooped up in a 32'er ALL afternoon.


Yep, now your're finally gettin' it. We need a boat with a genset and
air-conditioning. But most importantly, a boat where I can SLEEP. Sleeping is
fun!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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TODAY IS OCT. 2nd . IT IS NOW FALL (AUTUMN) .

has been for more than a week.


Good point, Scotty Potty. The really fast and powerful T-storms are
mostly over
now, though they never keep us home anway.


I guess if you never sail more than a mile from your dock you're ok
then.

"Bobsprit" wrote

But most importantly, a boat where I can EAT. Eating is
fun!

RB

now, though they never keep us home anway.


I guess if you never sail more than a mile from your dock you're ok
then.


More proof that Scotty Potti doesn't sail. It's better to be well away from
land when a T-storm blows through so you have room to run.
Still, if Scotty Potti is THAT scared he could still sail VERY close to the
dock for a fast retreat. That's still less luberly than staying home watching
cable.

RB

"Mr. Daysailor" wrote
Fall and a front is coming through, not a Summer
storm. BIG difference.


Yep, the summer storms come up faster and are more violent. These
fall storms
are pretty light stuff.

Oh, I see, so a SLOW , predicted thunderstorm is fun to sail in,
right?

Scotty

"Bobsprit" wrote ...


More proof that Scotty Potti doesn't sail.


No need to rub it in.

SV

Yep, the summer storms come up faster and are more violent. These
fall storms
are pretty light stuff.

Oh, I see, so a SLOW , predicted thunderstorm is fun to sail in,
right?

Sure. We were in one a month ago. It was cooler day, like today. The storm
caught us about a mile from Execution rocks. No big deal. Liz handed up the
foul weather gear. We lost visibility for about 5 minutes completely. The rain
hurt a bit with the wind, but no big deal. It was fun and it's part of sailing.
An hour later we managed to beat around another line, then got caught by the
tip of a small one, which we sailed through dispite some pretty dramatic gusts.

RB

yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile assesment

most of the t storms in LIS are potetnially dangerous events
some are accompanied by line sqaulls and pack real and dangerous winds
in october they are usually produced by a front moving thru.
either way....they are moving and sometimes moving dangerously fast.

i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses

i have also sailed thru several while the coast guard channel was abuzz with
rescue efforts in progress..........several tragically unsuccessful efforts.
one near Rye and the other in Oyster bay a few years ago.

line squalls are reasonably predictable as to when they will hit. just
listen to NOAA. if the words pennsylaviania, NJ and 50mph get joined with
the words moving north at 30MPH......well you know what to expect..90 miles
away.30 mph per hour............you can do the rest.
they seem to move consistently up the coast.

T storms to some degree are also reasonably predictable.........watch the
sky. (duh!)
given the visible distance you can see in LIS (to the west and south) i say
it would be difficult to sail around one. and if you sail any distance off
your mooring, i'd say you ain't getting back between the time you see the
storm and it is over you.
most of these storms (in the summer) seem to always approach from the south,
which means they come from the general direction of manhattan.
"visiblity" is probably limited to what? ...maybe 10 miles. (the distance
before you realize what you are looking at) even if the storm is lugging
along at a measely 2 mph (usually much faster)......you now have 30 minutes
to get back to your mooring.

you should also be able to tell from NOAA the track of the storm. Words like
Rockland and Orange county and maybe even Hudson Valley will usually mean it
is to the north of you.--but not always. Words like Manhattan and Queens
county.....well your likely in it's track.

sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring
two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

but there are always exceptions.....a few years ago there was a t storm
stalled along a north-south line thru the sound, along the southern edge. we
sailed all day along the northern edge of this storm without a worry and in
sunshine. remarkable and memorable day.

the decision to go or not is also dependant on who will be
aboard..........and it is not with anyone how does not know the potential
implications.

yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.

as for T Storms being fun.....well to each his own
i used to think so.
have you ever seen what lightening can do?
not interested in going thru that again............much less be aboard when
it happens if it's avoidable.


GF.








wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:08:55 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I was going to sail tomorrow, but it looks like the whole east coast
will be raining with T-storms thrown in.


Incredible that Scotty Potti would post such a cowardly post.


You think a sailor should ignore weather forecasts and set sail into
thunderstorms?

Scotty


On the LIS during the summer, almost any rain forecast mentions possible
T-Storms. They do occur occasionally, but they are usually not at all
widespread, and you can easily sail around them.

BB

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
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yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile
assesment

Yes, except it is not Summer in LIS now.



i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses


I'd rather wait a day and sail in nice weather. Must be getting old.
I used to ride motorcycle in the snow, but no more.



sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring

That's bob.


two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

a Mac26X?



yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own
assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and
feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.


In the summer, it's hard not to, as almost everyday there's a 'chance
of t-storms'. I don't mind getting wet when it's warm, but it is
cooling down now with this cold front.

A nice thing about the Chesapeake, there are lots of well protected
anchorages scattered throughout the bay where you can 'duck for
cover'.


Scotty

yeah motorcycles in the snow
thanks --had not thought about that in a long time
what did you ride?
me........ i've had a bunch of bikes
starting with an old single cylinder harley from the 1960's if i remember
correctly it was a 250cc thumper.
a couple of crazy dirt bikes. the only way you could ride them was WFO.
72 trumiph bonneville...a fun bike
an 850 road commando...wish i never got rid of it
77 HD XLCH ...long gone
77 KZ1000-rocket ship still sitting in a garage for the last 15 years
unridden
a few others hardly worth mentioning.
thinking about buying a HD again............we'll see

sailed thru a hail storm in october about 3 years ago in bright sunshine
while being pelted with chunks of ice
ouch that hurt. the sound of hail bouncing off the deck and rig is pretty
incredible.

today we'll be bicycling in the rain if all goes as planned
:)
gf.






"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and tactile
assesment

Yes, except it is not Summer in LIS now.



i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses


I'd rather wait a day and sail in nice weather. Must be getting old.
I used to ride motorcycle in the snow, but no more.



sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring

That's bob.


two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

a Mac26X?



yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my own
assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and
feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.


In the summer, it's hard not to, as almost everyday there's a 'chance
of t-storms'. I don't mind getting wet when it's warm, but it is
cooling down now with this cold front.

A nice thing about the Chesapeake, there are lots of well protected
anchorages scattered throughout the bay where you can 'duck for
cover'.


Scotty

wrote

sail around them?


Yep, do it all the time. If you pay attention, you can see the
storms well
before they arrive. With RADAR it's even easier. These LIS thunder
storms are
usually not very large as far as area covered. On days with
scattered showers,
we manage to sail around most of those, too.


don't have radar, but I do watch The Weather Channel and they're
showing rain ( not scattered showers) and t-storms for today through
tonight. so I'm avoiding them by staying home.
The rain is forecast for the whole East Central region. How would you
sail around that?

Scotty

wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 11:06:32 -0400, "gonefishiing" wrote:

I don't generally go back to my mooring unless the overall weather picture
is
deteriorating. Scattered showers and T-Storms is not enough to make me
pack it
in most days. I keep sailing, but in a direction that will keep me out of
the
storm. When these storms kick up, there is invariably wind associated with
them.
If the storm is coming from W-SW, as it usually is, I can easily sail at 5
or 6
knots headed either south or north and the storm will blow on by without
me
getting wet. It's not at all hard to get out of the way. The LIS is about
23
miles across up here.

I've been doing it this way for about 45 years now.

BB

agreed. out by the thimbles the distance you can see is increased
substanially.
your tactics are valid for where you are. for me that means being well east
of execution rock, which places the sail past a "3 hour cruise" with some
non-sailing friends.
west of execution reduces running room north to south.

hope you keep doing it for another 45.

BTW the thimbles are really great.
spent last weekend anchored off of calf island outside of Belle Haven.. also
beautiful
watched the 12 meter boats
when you see these things you start to beleive there is a god.

there was also a double masted vessel..my guess 140' LOA
made my 30 footer look like a ragged dinghy......oh well.
cheers
gf.

ridden? hundreds
owned;
Yamaha DT 175
Kaw 100
Penton 125
KTM / Penton 175
1948 Harley
Yamaha RD 350
BMW R100S *
Triumph Bonnie '69 *
Triumph Daytona '75 *
Maico 400 '74
Maico 250 '75
Maico 250 '76 *
Yamaha Trials 250
Honda TL 125 (trials bike)
Husqvarna 250 WR
Husqvarna 400 WR *

* still have.

Scotty




"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
yeah motorcycles in the snow
thanks --had not thought about that in a long time
what did you ride?
me........ i've had a bunch of bikes
starting with an old single cylinder harley from the 1960's if i
remember
correctly it was a 250cc thumper.
a couple of crazy dirt bikes. the only way you could ride them was
WFO.
72 trumiph bonneville...a fun bike
an 850 road commando...wish i never got rid of it
77 HD XLCH ...long gone
77 KZ1000-rocket ship still sitting in a garage for the last 15
years
unridden
a few others hardly worth mentioning.
thinking about buying a HD again............we'll see

sailed thru a hail storm in october about 3 years ago in bright
sunshine
while being pelted with chunks of ice
ouch that hurt. the sound of hail bouncing off the deck and rig is
pretty
incredible.

today we'll be bicycling in the rain if all goes as planned
:)
gf.






"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
yep you are right about the mention of t storms all summer in
LIS
and this forecast (like all) requires your own visual and
tactile
assesment

Yes, except it is not Summer in LIS now.



i have and still do sail out knowing the forcast as well.
what is missing from this conversation is the use of ones senses


I'd rather wait a day and sail in nice weather. Must be getting
old.
I used to ride motorcycle in the snow, but no more.



sail around them?
now how do you do that?

2 possiblities exist
one you don't sail far past your mooring

That's bob.


two, you must own one hell of a fast boat.

a Mac26X?



yes i sail with forecasts of T Storms but it is only after my
own
assesment
see i usually sail often with my daughter and friends aboard and
feel
responsible for them, if not for myself.


In the summer, it's hard not to, as almost everyday there's a
'chance
of t-storms'. I don't mind getting wet when it's warm, but it is
cooling down now with this cold front.

A nice thing about the Chesapeake, there are lots of well
protected
anchorages scattered throughout the bay where you can 'duck for
cover'.


Scotty

These LIS thunder storms are
usually not very large as far as area covered. On days with scattered showers,
we manage to sail around most of those, too.

Exactly. They can be tiny and we've even sailed between two storms with ease.
Everyone I know does it.

RB

Scotty Potti wrote...

I can't afford radar, but I do watch The Weather Channel thru my neighbor's
trailer window and they're
showing rain ( not scattered showers) and t-storms for today through
tonight. so I'm avoiding them by staying the coffee table.

your tactics are valid for where you are. for me that means being well east
of execution rock, which places the sail past a "3 hour cruise" with some
non-sailing friends.

Well, yes. But you certainly don't stay in Little Neck Bay, do you?

RB

what can i say
i've got a slow boat :)

gf.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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your tactics are valid for where you are. for me that means being well
east
of execution rock, which places the sail past a "3 hour cruise" with some
non-sailing friends.

Well, yes. But you certainly don't stay in Little Neck Bay, do you?

RB

what can i say
i've got a slow boat :)

Which boat?
Where do you keep her?

RB

come on daddio
has a child placed you that far outside the realm of reality!
or have you taken to drinkin?

you do know city island is famous for this?
(do you remember the hippies place?
a great story if you don't)

we've met
you've seen my boat
she's on city island
on the west side
you've been to my yacht club

how's the family?
hello to elli for me (oday 35)

Steve
1976 P30

gf.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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what can i say
i've got a slow boat :)

Which boat?
Where do you keep her?

RB

we've met
you've seen my boat
she's on city island
on the west side
you've been to my yacht club


Oh, Sorry, Steve!!! How have you been? As you can see, I'm still torturing
Alt.Sailing.asa.
The next boat is coming soon, but I won't announce here until Scotty Potti
implodes.
It was a pretty good season this year.

RB

so do you know the hippies place?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
we've met
you've seen my boat
she's on city island
on the west side
you've been to my yacht club


Oh, Sorry, Steve!!! How have you been? As you can see, I'm still torturing
Alt.Sailing.asa.
The next boat is coming soon, but I won't announce here until Scotty Potti
implodes.
It was a pretty good season this year.

RB