well then, you'd have to use a telescoping pole! ; )
Scout

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Nav" wrote in message
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Good points. Well A=C-B ;-)

But, lets open this can of worms a bit further. I take and largely agree
with most of your view, but it is the kinetic energy in the system that
is powering the tides. If you locked the moon to the earth with a big
pole you would not have two tides would you? The mass is the same and so
is it's center... Gravity still works... but, just one tidal bulge.


I don't think its fair to do this - you can mathematically eliminate
effects by
shifting the reference frame, but "locking" objects together is changing
the
problem at a more fundamental level. In this case, how to you "lock" the
Earth?
In fact, the crux of this problem is that different parts of the Earth are
actually acting somewhat independently.

However, this brings up an interesting point. At some point in the
distant
future the tides will be eliminated. How will this happen? Because the
tides
lag the Moon the high tide is not directly under the Moon, but offset.
This
creates soon torque that is transferring energy from the Earth to the
Moon. The
result is that the Earth is slowing down, and the Moon's orbit is
increasing.
This will continue (some say) until the Earth's rotation slows down to
match the
Moon, and the bulge stays under the Moon. The Earth and Moon will at that
point
be locked together. Because the Moon is smaller, it has already assumed
this
orientation WRT the Earth.

If we work this backwards we find the in the distant past the Moon's orbit
was
much closer to the Earth, and the Earth's day much shorter. Exactly how
much
depends on what other theory you're trying to support or disprove.
However, we
do know the effect is real - the measurement using equipment left behind
by the
astronauts shows the distance increasing about 4 cm a year, and the
Earth's day
lengthening by 1.5 milliseconds a century.