Boat in movie Dead Calm
 

Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then. We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is. We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:37:08 -0400, "Claxton" wrote
this crap:

Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then. We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is. We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.



It's a sailboat, probably a sloop.

You're welcome.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Which boat? There were two of them.

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Claxton" wrote in message
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Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in
about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then.
We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is.
We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

Thanks for the heads up. I guess that explains the big white sheets they
hung up. I thought maybe they were speed boats since they kept using the
motors. Gee whiz. Glad a genius like you took the time to respond.

A sloop is a single masted sailboat. A schooner is a double masted boat
with the masts of the same size. That's what the Orpheus was--the black,
leaky, death boat. A ketch has two masts, the smaller one in the stern.
That's what Rhea and John were sailing. What we really want to know is who
the manufacturer was and what size it was.

Thanks for being an asshole.

"Claxton" wrote in message
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Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then. We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is. We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

It was the boat that Nicole Kidman owned. Thanks for the honest reply.

thank you

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Which boat? There were two of them.

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Claxton" wrote in message
news:kML3d.44884$Ka6.22879@okepread03...
Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in
about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then.
We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is.
We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

"Claxton" wrote

A schooner is a double masted boat

At LEAST 2 masts. Can be more.


with the masts of the same size.

The fore mast can be shorter.

That's what the Orpheus was--the black,
leaky, death boat. A ketch has two masts, the smaller one in the
stern.

But ahead of the rudder post, otherwise it's a Yawl.


That's what Rhea and John were sailing. What we really want to know
is who
the manufacturer was and what size it was.

Sorry, don't know. Like the movie though.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Thanks. Good corrections. You're right about all of them. We are pretty
new to the whole sailing thing, and without looking it all up I wanted to
respond to Horvath's brilliant answer to what kind of boat was in the movie
(a sailboat--duh! followed by the "probably a sloop" thing that exposed even
more ignorance than we have about sailboats). The good thing about
ignorance is that it can be corrected with study. Stupidity lasts a
lifetime.

We too think it is a good movie, although I think she'd have been wiser to
kill the jerk when she had the chance. Of course, if she had to tie him up,
tying his hands behind his back instead of in front would also have been
wiser. Whatchagonnado? It's a movie, and an entertaining one at that.

Thanks again for the intelligent and kind responses. We sailed with a guy
this summer (just a day cruise, sadly) who could tell us about every boat we
saw--make, approx size and so forth. He might have known the answer, but we
didn't think to ask him if he knew the movie.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Claxton" wrote

A schooner is a double masted boat

At LEAST 2 masts. Can be more.


with the masts of the same size.

The fore mast can be shorter.

That's what the Orpheus was--the black,
leaky, death boat. A ketch has two masts, the smaller one in the
stern.

But ahead of the rudder post, otherwise it's a Yawl.


That's what Rhea and John were sailing. What we really want to know
is who
the manufacturer was and what size it was.

Sorry, don't know. Like the movie though.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Don't be too hard on 'ol Horvath, he tries, he's sincere, but the
Alzheimer's seems to have taken over..

You have a boat? What? Where are you?



"Claxton" wrote in message
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Thanks. Good corrections. You're right about all of them. We are
pretty
new to the whole sailing thing, and without looking it all up I
wanted to
respond to Horvath's brilliant answer to what kind of boat was in
the movie
(a sailboat--duh! followed by the "probably a sloop" thing that
exposed even
more ignorance than we have about sailboats). The good thing about
ignorance is that it can be corrected with study. Stupidity lasts a
lifetime.

We too think it is a good movie, although I think she'd have been
wiser to
kill the jerk when she had the chance. Of course, if she had to tie
him up,
tying his hands behind his back instead of in front would also have
been
wiser. Whatchagonnado? It's a movie, and an entertaining one at
that.

Thanks again for the intelligent and kind responses. We sailed with
a guy
this summer (just a day cruise, sadly) who could tell us about every
boat we
saw--make, approx size and so forth. He might have known the
answer, but we
didn't think to ask him if he knew the movie.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Claxton" wrote

A schooner is a double masted boat

At LEAST 2 masts. Can be more.


with the masts of the same size.

The fore mast can be shorter.

That's what the Orpheus was--the black,
leaky, death boat. A ketch has two masts, the smaller one in
the
stern.

But ahead of the rudder post, otherwise it's a Yawl.


That's what Rhea and John were sailing. What we really want to
know
is who
the manufacturer was and what size it was.

Sorry, don't know. Like the movie though.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Good question. I'd have to see the movie again.

If I had to guess I'd say an Ocean 70.

Bart

"Claxton" wrote
Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then. We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is. We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:19 -0400, "Claxton" wrote
this crap:

Thanks. Good corrections. You're right about all of them. We are pretty
new to the whole sailing thing, and without looking it all up I wanted to
respond to Horvath's brilliant answer to what kind of boat was in the movie
(a sailboat--duh! followed by the "probably a sloop" thing that exposed even
more ignorance than we have about sailboats). The good thing about
ignorance is that it can be corrected with study. Stupidity lasts a
lifetime.

You didn't say which boat.

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:19 -0400, "Claxton"
wrote
this crap:

Thanks. Good corrections. You're right about all of them. We are
pretty
new to the whole sailing thing, and without looking it all up I
wanted to
respond to Horvath's brilliant answer to what kind of boat was in
the movie
(a sailboat--duh! followed by the "probably a sloop" thing that
exposed even
more ignorance than we have about sailboats). The good thing about
ignorance is that it can be corrected with study. Stupidity lasts
a
lifetime.

You didn't say which boat.

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

SV

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

You could say that, in the same way that "Horvath is probably a mammal."

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

You could say that, in the same way that "Horvath is probably a
mammal."

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



It was a ketchy looking boat, y'awl.

Scotty

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:58:19 -0400, "Claxton" wrote
this crap:

Thanks. Good corrections. You're right about all of them. We are pretty
new to the whole sailing thing, and without looking it all up I wanted to
respond to Horvath's brilliant answer to what kind of boat was in the movie
(a sailboat--duh! followed by the "probably a sloop" thing that exposed even
more ignorance than we have about sailboats). The good thing about
ignorance is that it can be corrected with study. Stupidity lasts a
lifetime.

You didn't say which boat.

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.

And for being an idiot.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:39:04 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


a
lifetime.

You didn't say which boat.

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

Which boat?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

Which boat?

the one with the backwards steering wheel.

Scotty

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Horvath wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:39:04 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


a
lifetime.

You didn't say which boat.

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

Which boat?


It was your hunter. It sank.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

What a gaff....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?

You could say that, in the same way that "Horvath is probably a
mammal."

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



It was a ketchy looking boat, y'awl.

Scotty

Watch it or we'll throw you in the brig in 10.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
What a gaff....


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Doubt it.....ketch ya later....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Watch it or we'll throw you in the brig in 10.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
What a gaff....


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Yawl take care now.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
Doubt it.....ketch ya later....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Watch it or we'll throw you in the brig in 10.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
What a gaff....



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"John Ingram's ketch Saracen is, in real life, the
remarkable, 80-foot blue-water racer Storm Vogel,
constructed entirely of plywood in 1961. The custom
ketch has won virtually every major ocean race in the
world through the mid'60s. After many years and
several owners, Storm Vogel had wound up in Sydney,
Australia.

"We'd gone down to the harbor with the idea of renting
another boat," states Miller. "But to get to that
boat, we had to cross the deck of Storm Vogel. And, as
we crossed her, Phil, Doug (producer Doug Mitchell)
and I all stopped dead in our tracks. In a single
voice, we said, 'No, no not that one, this one' And we
made a deal with its owner." "

from: http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/films/dcpn.txt

Peter S/Y Anicula



"Claxton" skrev i en meddelelse
news:kML3d.44884$Ka6.22879@okepread03...
Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in
about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then.
We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is.
We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

I shore will....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yawl take care now.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
Doubt it.....ketch ya later....
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Watch it or we'll throw you in the brig in 10.

In article
,
katysails wrote:
What a gaff....



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

You may be required to deck the hulls.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
I shore will....

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Thank you so much for solving that mystery for us. And the link is much
appreciated as well. We figured if anyone could answer the question for us
it would be someone on this news group. Thank you to all who responded,
even as the discussion devolved into bad (but cute) sailing puns. (But
then, there's no such thing as a good pun, sailing or otherwise.)
Horvath, thanks for trying to answer our question without having seen
the movie. When you are consoling yourself over Bush's embarrassing loss on
November 2, you might pick it up at the video store and try to raise your
spirits with a good sailing thriller. And I am really glad to learn that
the Titanic was not, in fact, a sloop. I had always wondered what a
schooner looked like;)

"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in message
...

"John Ingram's ketch Saracen is, in real life, the
remarkable, 80-foot blue-water racer Storm Vogel,
constructed entirely of plywood in 1961. The custom
ketch has won virtually every major ocean race in the
world through the mid'60s. After many years and
several owners, Storm Vogel had wound up in Sydney,
Australia.

"We'd gone down to the harbor with the idea of renting
another boat," states Miller. "But to get to that
boat, we had to cross the deck of Storm Vogel. And, as
we crossed her, Phil, Doug (producer Doug Mitchell)
and I all stopped dead in our tracks. In a single
voice, we said, 'No, no not that one, this one' And we
made a deal with its owner." "

from: http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/films/dcpn.txt

Peter S/Y Anicula



"Claxton" skrev i en meddelelse
news:kML3d.44884$Ka6.22879@okepread03...
Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in
about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then.
We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is.
We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

....with bows of holly and teak?
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You may be required to deck the hulls.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
I shore will....

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Bad puns???? There is no such thing as a bad pun on .asa.....we are the
master of punditry....
"Claxton" wrote in message
news:G8K4d.9580$0j.1092@lakeread07...
Thank you so much for solving that mystery for us. And the link is much
appreciated as well. We figured if anyone could answer the question for
us
it would be someone on this news group. Thank you to all who responded,
even as the discussion devolved into bad (but cute) sailing puns. (But
then, there's no such thing as a good pun, sailing or otherwise.)
Horvath, thanks for trying to answer our question without having seen
the movie. When you are consoling yourself over Bush's embarrassing loss
on
November 2, you might pick it up at the video store and try to raise your
spirits with a good sailing thriller. And I am really glad to learn that
the Titanic was not, in fact, a sloop. I had always wondered what a
schooner looked like;)

"Peter S/Y Anicula" wrote in message
...

"John Ingram's ketch Saracen is, in real life, the
remarkable, 80-foot blue-water racer Storm Vogel,
constructed entirely of plywood in 1961. The custom
ketch has won virtually every major ocean race in the
world through the mid'60s. After many years and
several owners, Storm Vogel had wound up in Sydney,
Australia.

"We'd gone down to the harbor with the idea of renting
another boat," states Miller. "But to get to that
boat, we had to cross the deck of Storm Vogel. And, as
we crossed her, Phil, Doug (producer Doug Mitchell)
and I all stopped dead in our tracks. In a single
voice, we said, 'No, no not that one, this one' And we
made a deal with its owner." "

from: http://www.ibiblio.org/samneill/films/dcpn.txt

Peter S/Y Anicula



"Claxton" skrev i en meddelelse
news:kML3d.44884$Ka6.22879@okepread03...
Greetings to all

My wife and I just bought the movie Dead Calm, we haven't seen it in
about
ten years now and have gained a great intrest in sailing since then.
We
were wondering what type of boat is in the movie and how big it is.
We are
disagreeing on how big she is.

Thanks for any replies.

And a number of bells in pairs.

In article ,
katysails wrote:
...with bows of holly and teak?
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You may be required to deck the hulls.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:35:17 -0400, "Claxton" wrote
this crap:

Horvath, thanks for trying to answer our question without having seen
the movie. When you are consoling yourself over Bush's embarrassing loss on
November 2,


You can't face reality, can you?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK wrote:

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.



Scott Vernon wrote:

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?


You could say that, in the same way that "Horvath is probably a mammal."

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel with
3 or more sail carrying masts.

Or are you saying it was a drinking vessel?


Cheers

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



Nav wrote:
If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel with
3 or more sail carrying masts.

OK, then why don't you tell us all about the Titanic's sailing rig?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



Nav wrote:

If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel
with 3 or more sail carrying masts.


OK, then why don't you tell us all about the Titanic's sailing rig?

Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were. Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?

Cheers

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.

Nav wrote:
Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were.

Where in the definition of a schooner does it say that a mast has to be
stepped amidships? AFAIK a schooner has two (or more) masts, with the
foreward mast being shorter and/or having less sail area.



... Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?

From what I've read, no. However she was rigged for sail, carried sails
on board, and was described on her registry as "schooner rigged."

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Cheers



DSK wrote:

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.


Nav wrote:

Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were.


Where in the definition of a schooner does it say that a mast has to be
stepped amidships? AFAIK a schooner has two (or more) masts, with the
foreward mast being shorter and/or having less sail area.



... Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?


From what I've read, no. However she was rigged for sail, carried sails
on board, and was described on her registry as "schooner rigged."

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Cheers

Nav wrote:
OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.

Ah, yes, well... going to the definitive maritime reference, eh? How
come neither mentions such a possibility as a 3 masted schooner? ANd
yet, in the annals of sea lore there very definitely are such things...
and more!

http://www.schoonerman.com/tw_lawsn.shtml

Oddly enough, it happens to be a coincidence that many schooners do have
*a* mast stepped "nearly amidships," 1- it's not necessarily the main
mast and 2- it's really not a definitive requirement for the vessel to
be a schooner.

Finally, if the Titanic's registry documentation lists her as a
schooner, why do you think it's worth arguing about?



The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for you.
Is this how you got through school?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than
the fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


Ah, yes, well... going to the definitive maritime reference, eh? How
come neither mentions such a possibility as a 3 masted schooner? ANd
yet, in the annals of sea lore there very definitely are such things...
and more!


Doug, you really start to look incredibly foolish when you don't even
bother to look at what reference books say and then criticise them as
knowing less than you.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail
distribution.. That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster
observation on this point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as
well?


Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for you.
Is this how you got through school?



OK, so, you don't know. Since you have shown no ability at maths
(especially calculus) I don't think you could have done any of my
homework. But that's OK because the world need wipers and I'm sure you
were (are still) a very good wiper.

Cheers

Nav wrote:
Doug, you really start to look incredibly foolish when you don't even
bother to look at what reference books say and then criticise them as
knowing less than you.

According to your references, the Thomas W. Lawson could not have been
termed a schooner. But that's exactly what her builder, her owners, her
captain, called her. I guess you'd say they were all wrong, too.


Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for
you. Is this how you got through school?



OK, so, you don't know.

Actually, I do.

... Since you have shown no ability at maths
(especially calculus)

I have enough ability to not call it "maths."

... I don't think you could have done any of my
homework.

Considering that you haven't a clue how to resolve forces on a free-body
diagram (merely the latest of a long string of your revealed
inabilities) there is no way you could have even started mine.


... But that's OK because the world need wipers and I'm sure you
were (are still) a very good wiper.

Yep, can still do the basics. Although after qualifying for all watch
stations up through GQ-EEOW and R-5 Leader, "wiper" hasn't really been
part of my job description for a long time.

I guess you can't cope with any machinery more complex than a fork, is
that why you're so resentful?

DSK

DSK wrote:



... Since you have shown no ability at maths (especially calculus)


I have enough ability to not call it "maths."


Bwhahhahahahhaha. My case rests.

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

Doug, you really start to look incredibly foolish when you don't even
bother to look at what reference books say and then criticise them as
knowing less than you.


According to your references, the Thomas W. Lawson could not have been
termed a schooner. But that's exactly what her builder, her owners, her
captain, called her. I guess you'd say they were all wrong, too.


Hey, why not look up the references. I'm quite sure the OED and Websters
don't talk about the "Thomas W. Lawson". Then you decide if they or you
are wrong. If these reference works are wrong you can tell them -I'm
sure they would like to be accurate.

Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for
you. Is this how you got through school?


OK, so, you don't know.

Actually, I do.

Sure. Now you've had a chance to look it up. Now why not tell us the
answer?


... Since you have shown no ability at maths (especially calculus)


I have enough ability to not call it "maths."

... I don't think you could have done any of my homework.


Considering that you haven't a clue how to resolve forces on a free-body
diagram (merely the latest of a long string of your revealed
inabilities) there is no way you could have even started mine.



Isn't it strange that I resolved the forces in the free body diagram in
the topping lift case and peroduced an answer but you refused to show
you could do the same for the vang. You didn't even draw the rotational
moment in the right place for the problem. I'd say it's quite clear from
this who can do the required analysis -its all the the public record and
your trying to change history here won't change that.


... But that's OK because the world need wipers and I'm sure you were
(are still) a very good wiper.


Yep, can still do the basics. Although after qualifying for all watch
stations up through GQ-EEOW and R-5 Leader, "wiper" hasn't really been
part of my job description for a long time.


I'm sure you were the best wiper there ever was! One might even call it
your defining moment! As I said, the world needs really good wipers.

Cheers

Nav wrote:
Hey, why not look up the references.

Hey, why not look in ones that are just a tad more specialized & accurate?



Sure. Now you've had a chance to look it up. Now why not tell us the
answer?

We can take this as an admission that you don't know.


Considering that you haven't a clue how to resolve forces on a
free-body diagram (merely the latest of a long string of your revealed
inabilities) there is no way you could have even started mine.



Isn't it strange that I resolved the forces in the free body diagram in
the topping lift case

Isn't it strange that you now claim you did, but at the time you
stumbled out a partial answer that was not even in the right ball park.
The Google archive is only about 20 seconds away, shall I quote you
*again* so soon, Navsprit?


... you refused to show
you could do the same for the vang.

???

...its all the the public record and
your trying to change history here won't change that.

Now that is rather funny.


... As I said, the world needs really good wipers.

Is this an admission that you're a poor wiper? Maybe this explains yous
have minimal social skills?

DSK