DSK wrote:

BTW, I thought I did pretty good for never seeing the movie.



Scott Vernon wrote:

Riiiight, so I guess the boat in Titanic was "probably a sloop"?


You could say that, in the same way that "Horvath is probably a mammal."

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel with
3 or more sail carrying masts.

Or are you saying it was a drinking vessel?


Cheers

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



Nav wrote:
If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel with
3 or more sail carrying masts.

OK, then why don't you tell us all about the Titanic's sailing rig?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.



Nav wrote:

If you are thinking about her masts then you are mistaken.

A schooner is a fore and aft rigged ship carrying a smaller _sail_ on
the foremast and the main mast stepped nearly amidships or a vessel
with 3 or more sail carrying masts.


OK, then why don't you tell us all about the Titanic's sailing rig?

Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were. Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?

Cheers

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.

Nav wrote:
Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were.

Where in the definition of a schooner does it say that a mast has to be
stepped amidships? AFAIK a schooner has two (or more) masts, with the
foreward mast being shorter and/or having less sail area.



... Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?

From what I've read, no. However she was rigged for sail, carried sails
on board, and was described on her registry as "schooner rigged."

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Cheers



DSK wrote:

Actually, the Titanic was a schooner.


Nav wrote:

Sheesh. She didn't have a mast stepped near amidships Doug -that is
where the funnels were.


Where in the definition of a schooner does it say that a mast has to be
stepped amidships? AFAIK a schooner has two (or more) masts, with the
foreward mast being shorter and/or having less sail area.



... Did you think she ever carried sail on those masts?


From what I've read, no. However she was rigged for sail, carried sails
on board, and was described on her registry as "schooner rigged."

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Cheers

Nav wrote:
OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than the
fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.

Ah, yes, well... going to the definitive maritime reference, eh? How
come neither mentions such a possibility as a 3 masted schooner? ANd
yet, in the annals of sea lore there very definitely are such things...
and more!

http://www.schoonerman.com/tw_lawsn.shtml

Oddly enough, it happens to be a coincidence that many schooners do have
*a* mast stepped "nearly amidships," 1- it's not necessarily the main
mast and 2- it's really not a definitive requirement for the vessel to
be a schooner.

Finally, if the Titanic's registry documentation lists her as a
schooner, why do you think it's worth arguing about?



The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail distribution..
That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster observation on this
point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as well?

Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for you.
Is this how you got through school?

DSK

DSK wrote:

Nav wrote:

OED:

The rig characteristic of a schooner has been defined as consisting
essentially of two gaff sails, the after sail not being smaller than
the fore, and a head sail set on a bowsprit.

Webster:

Fore and aft rigged vessel with a smaller sail on the foremast and the
main mast stepped _nearly_ amidships.


Ah, yes, well... going to the definitive maritime reference, eh? How
come neither mentions such a possibility as a 3 masted schooner? ANd
yet, in the annals of sea lore there very definitely are such things...
and more!


Doug, you really start to look incredibly foolish when you don't even
bother to look at what reference books say and then criticise them as
knowing less than you.


The size of the mast doesn't really matter, it's the sail
distribution.. That also dictates mast placement -hence the Webster
observation on this point. Do you think the masts were gaff rigged as
well?


Does a schooner have to be gaf rigged? Do you think you could be
bothered to look for yourself? I'm not here to do your homework for you.
Is this how you got through school?



OK, so, you don't know. Since you have shown no ability at maths
(especially calculus) I don't think you could have done any of my
homework. But that's OK because the world need wipers and I'm sure you
were (are still) a very good wiper.

Cheers