"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

A person who represents, has a fool for a client. :-)


he who leaves key words out of quote, look like bigger fool.

Next time I'll use English.

Confucius say; yes, that much better.

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Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

A person who represents, has a fool for a client. :-)


he who leaves key words out of quote, look like bigger fool.

Next time I'll use English.

Dufus say; yes, that much better.

Hmm....




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Dave wrote:
On 22 Sep 2004 11:52:50 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

Leave it to Dave to bring
Clinton back into the discussion

Would you have preferred that I refer to your reticence to discuss your own
service or the lack thereof?

Much!


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Dave,

We weren't talking about "Clinton"`but accepting a "Rhodes Grant to
Oxford Univ." may have been dodging the draft but to me makes a "Helluva
better reason than not following a direct military order to serve on a
Political Campaign, as Bush did.

Ole Thom

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Dave,

We weren't talking about "Clinton"`but accepting a "Rhodes Grant to
Oxford Univ." may have been dodging the draft but to me makes a "Helluva
better reason than not following a direct military order to serve on a
Political Campaign, as Bush did.

And, if you read the book, you'll understand why he said he tried mj
but didn't inhale.



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Dave,

As I said, we weren't talking about Clinton and I never tried to say he
didn't dodge the draft. You push him into the discussion!! FORGET
CLINTON.

Our discussion was the Wartime comparison of KERRY & BUSH!!

I say it again, Kerry was a Hero and Bush was a Draft Dodger

Ole Thom

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message

FORGET
CLINTON.

Oh yeah, like that's ever going to happen . . . :-)

I say it again, Kerry was a Hero and Bush was a Draft Dodger

Your opinion. I say Kerry was a coward, a poor officer, and a liar, not to
mention his treasonous activities following his return to the States. While
Bush may not have been an exemplary soldier, he did serve, he was a fine
pilot, and he did accumulate the necessary points on his Guard record to
warrant an honorable discharge.

Max

Or, he really wanted to go to Oxford?? Nah.... I know no red-blooded
American would
want to have an experience like that.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:48:45 -0700, (Thom Stewart) said:

I never tried to say he
didn't dodge the draft.

True. What you said was: "accepting a 'Rhodes Grant to
Oxford Univ.' may have been dodging the draft." That was a complete
misrepresentation of his draft-dodging manipulations.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message

FORGET
CLINTON.

Oh yeah, like that's ever going to happen . . . :-)

I say it again, Kerry was a Hero and Bush was a Draft Dodger

Your opinion. I say Kerry was a coward, a poor officer, and a liar, not
to
mention his treasonous activities following his return to the States.
While
Bush may not have been an exemplary soldier, he did serve, he was a fine
pilot, and he did accumulate the necessary points on his Guard record to
warrant an honorable discharge.

According to whom? Not according to the people who were on the boat
with him. Not according to the guy he fished out of the water.

May not have been an exemplary soldier??? He disobeyed a direct order
and failed to show up for his physical. He's never said why.

Kerry specifically said why he wanted out of the military.

Who's the liar??

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


According to whom? Not according to the people who were on the boat
with him.

Especially according to the people on the boat with him.

Not according to the guy he fished out of the water.

After returning from cowardly running away up river after another PCF struck
a mine, he returned and fished the guy outta the water.

May not have been an exemplary soldier??? He disobeyed a direct order
and failed to show up for his physical. He's never said why.

Kerry specifically said why he wanted out of the military.

Who's the liar??

Kerry. He lied about purported "atrocities" committed by his fellow
swifties in Vietnam. When pressed to give even one example of such
atrocities, he wasn't able to give one, apart from his claim that the
free-fire zones constituted an "atrocity." He lied about quitting the VVAW
in the summer of 71, when he clearly continued as a spokesman for them
through '72. He lied about not having met with the fraudulent leader of the
VVAW, Al Hubbard, after April 71, when FBI surveillance records clearly show
he was with Hubbard at several meetings after that and into 72. He lied
about throwing his medals away, even though they showed up framed and
displayed on his office wall many years later. Shall I continue?

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


According to whom? Not according to the people who were on the boat
with him.

Especially according to the people on the boat with him.

The ones who said he was a hero? The guy who said Kerry saved his
life?

Not according to the guy he fished out of the water.

After returning from cowardly running away up river after another PCF struck
a mine, he returned and fished the guy outta the water.

So, you were there and you know? Are you so sure you'd go back??

May not have been an exemplary soldier??? He disobeyed a direct order
and failed to show up for his physical. He's never said why.

Kerry specifically said why he wanted out of the military.

Who's the liar??

Kerry. He lied about purported "atrocities" committed by his fellow
displayed on his office wall many years later. Shall I continue?

Compared to Bush, Kerry should be appointed Pope! Bush has lied since
the day he took office. He's the ulimate flip-flopper!

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/atf/cf/{65464111-BB20-4C7D-B1C9-0B033DD31B63}/gwb.pdf

I suggest you take a look and answer it point by point.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


http://www.americanprogressaction.org/atf/cf/{65464111-BB20-4C7D-B1C9-0B033DD31B63}/gwb.pdf

I suggest you take a look and answer it point by point.

I couldn't get it to come up, but I'll try it later. But perhaps you can
tell me now--is this one of those sites with a decidedly left-leaning slant?

Max

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Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


http://www.americanprogressaction.org/atf/cf/{65464111-BB20-4C7D-B1C9-0B033DD31B63}/gwb.pdf

I suggest you take a look and answer it point by point.

I couldn't get it to come up, but I'll try it later. But perhaps you can
tell me now--is this one of those sites with a decidedly left-leaning slant?

Definitely! :-)



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Maxprop wrote:
I couldn't get it to come up, but I'll try it later. But perhaps you can
tell me now--is this one of those sites with a decidedly left-leaning slant?


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Definitely! :-)

Is this code talking? I think what Maxprop means by "decidedly
left-leaning slant" is one with actual memory for what really happened,
what Bush & Cheney have actually done, and do not either lie or make
excuses for it.

DSK

Sounds accurate to me.

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Maxprop wrote:
I couldn't get it to come up, but I'll try it later. But perhaps you can
tell me now--is this one of those sites with a decidedly left-leaning
slant?


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Definitely! :-)

Is this code talking? I think what Maxprop means by "decidedly
left-leaning slant" is one with actual memory for what really happened,
what Bush & Cheney have actually done, and do not either lie or make
excuses for it.

DSK

Thom Stewart wrote:
Dave,

As I said, we weren't talking about Clinton and I never tried to say he
didn't dodge the draft. You push him into the discussion!! FORGET
CLINTON.

That'll never happen... or at least, not for a long time. The same
people who eagerly spent $60mil+ of our tax money, hunting for something
(anything!) they could nail Clinton for, invested a heck of a lot of
money in building up this nationwide paranoid hatred of Clinton. They
will push that HATE CLINTON! button every chance they get. It's the only
way of recouping their investment.

Unfortunately, it seems to be working. For example, in NC the Republican
campaigning for Senate is showing a series of TV ads picturing his
opponent with Clinton, and a voice-over talking about how evil & wicked
& horrible & bad bad bad Clinton is.


Our discussion was the Wartime comparison of KERRY & BUSH!!

I say it again, Kerry was a Hero and Bush was a Draft Dodger

But you're only considering the relevant facts. In order to show the
Karl Rove version, or "the truth according to Rush," you have to drag in
a whole book of extraneous detail & obfuscation.

The real issue here is President George Bush Jr's record. Notice how
none of the Bush-Cheney supporters are talking about it. I don't
understand why Kerry doesn't mention it more often...

DSK