Geez Max.... now you've done it. You've made a claim as to a vessel's
ability that isn't listed as possible in Doug's library!!

Next thing you know Loco will be telling you about an interview he saw about
the subject.

No fears man... I for one do indeed believe you. Seems like fin keelers
think a full keel boat can't possibly sail faster than 3 knots..... in any
conditions.

CM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
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| "DSK" wrote in message
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| Did you try it in less wind?
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| Maxprop wrote:
| Yeah. We sailed it downwind with main, mizzen, and non-lapping
headsail
| only (staysail furled) in roughly 3-5 kts. of wind. It moved along
| rather
| well.
|
| uh huh.
|
| .. In fact the C&C 40 belonging to another friend stayed with us or
| fell
| slightly behind.
|
| Yeah right. The C&C must have been backing up.
|
| Actually, in 3 ~ 5 knots true wind, the Bayfield is doing pretty well to
| maintain steerageway. That one must have a clean bottom and good sails.
|
| I knew you'd be skeptical. But I was there, and the boat thoroughly
| impressed me. At dinner that evening, the owner of the C&C simply
| approached and shook hands with the owner of the Bayfield. Those on board
| the C&C were simply shaking heads and engaging in conjecture as to why the
| C&C got bested by a fat, slow old cruising boat. No one had a valid
| explanation, which leads me to conclude that preconceptions are often just
| that, as opposed to reality.
|
| .... The Bayfield seemed to do well in just about any wind.
| That's what impressed me most. It's only failure, IMO, was that it
| isn't
| particularly weatherly. At 60 degrees off the apparent wind it moves
| well,
| but closer and it slows significantly.
|
| Considering that the rig and the "foils" (if you'll excuse the liberty
| of using this term so loosely) have been designed with every trade-off &
| compromise slanted against weatherliness, that's actually not bad.
|
| The major 'failure' of the Bayfields I have sailed... prone to steer
| like garden sheds.
|
| Are you making this appraisal only of Bayfields, or any 40' boat with a
full
| keel and barn door rudder? Both of my boats have been full keel, so I
| thought the Bayfield steered as well as any full keeler. If you're
| comparing the Bayfield to a fin keel boat, of course it seems sluggish by
| comparison.
|
| Considering their design and weight, they sail pretty
| well. But all else being equal, a C&C 40 is going to sail rings around
| any Bayfield. It's like comparing a Flying Dutchman to a Beetle Cat.
| That doesn't mean the Beetle Cat isn't a good boat, and fun to sail.
|
| Don't know what to tell you, Doug. I was there, you weren't. The C&C
| couldn't catch us on a beam reach in 12-15kts, nor on a broad reach in
| 3-5kts. The boat ain't slow, contrary to preconceptions. Under power it
| cruises at 7kts at 2000rpm and roughly 8kts. at 2600rpm. Under sail the
| owner reports that it does hull speed easily in 15kts or better, and will
do
| 5.5kts. in 10kts of wind. Not bad.
|
| Incidentally, all the speeds quoted were verified by GPS as the knotmeter
| reads 88.8 alla time.
|
| Max
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