Geez Max.... now you've done it. You've made a claim as to a vessel's
ability that isn't listed as possible in Doug's library!!

Next thing you know Loco will be telling you about an interview he saw about
the subject.

No fears man... I for one do indeed believe you. Seems like fin keelers
think a full keel boat can't possibly sail faster than 3 knots..... in any
conditions.

CM


"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...
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| "DSK" wrote in message
|
| Did you try it in less wind?
|
|
| Maxprop wrote:
| Yeah. We sailed it downwind with main, mizzen, and non-lapping
headsail
| only (staysail furled) in roughly 3-5 kts. of wind. It moved along
| rather
| well.
|
| uh huh.
|
| .. In fact the C&C 40 belonging to another friend stayed with us or
| fell
| slightly behind.
|
| Yeah right. The C&C must have been backing up.
|
| Actually, in 3 ~ 5 knots true wind, the Bayfield is doing pretty well to
| maintain steerageway. That one must have a clean bottom and good sails.
|
| I knew you'd be skeptical. But I was there, and the boat thoroughly
| impressed me. At dinner that evening, the owner of the C&C simply
| approached and shook hands with the owner of the Bayfield. Those on board
| the C&C were simply shaking heads and engaging in conjecture as to why the
| C&C got bested by a fat, slow old cruising boat. No one had a valid
| explanation, which leads me to conclude that preconceptions are often just
| that, as opposed to reality.
|
| .... The Bayfield seemed to do well in just about any wind.
| That's what impressed me most. It's only failure, IMO, was that it
| isn't
| particularly weatherly. At 60 degrees off the apparent wind it moves
| well,
| but closer and it slows significantly.
|
| Considering that the rig and the "foils" (if you'll excuse the liberty
| of using this term so loosely) have been designed with every trade-off &
| compromise slanted against weatherliness, that's actually not bad.
|
| The major 'failure' of the Bayfields I have sailed... prone to steer
| like garden sheds.
|
| Are you making this appraisal only of Bayfields, or any 40' boat with a
full
| keel and barn door rudder? Both of my boats have been full keel, so I
| thought the Bayfield steered as well as any full keeler. If you're
| comparing the Bayfield to a fin keel boat, of course it seems sluggish by
| comparison.
|
| Considering their design and weight, they sail pretty
| well. But all else being equal, a C&C 40 is going to sail rings around
| any Bayfield. It's like comparing a Flying Dutchman to a Beetle Cat.
| That doesn't mean the Beetle Cat isn't a good boat, and fun to sail.
|
| Don't know what to tell you, Doug. I was there, you weren't. The C&C
| couldn't catch us on a beam reach in 12-15kts, nor on a broad reach in
| 3-5kts. The boat ain't slow, contrary to preconceptions. Under power it
| cruises at 7kts at 2000rpm and roughly 8kts. at 2600rpm. Under sail the
| owner reports that it does hull speed easily in 15kts or better, and will
do
| 5.5kts. in 10kts of wind. Not bad.
|
| Incidentally, all the speeds quoted were verified by GPS as the knotmeter
| reads 88.8 alla time.
|
| Max
|
|

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Geez Max.... now you've done it. You've made a claim as to a vessel's
ability that isn't listed as possible in Doug's library!!

Next thing you know Loco will be telling you about an interview he saw
about
the subject.

No fears man... I for one do indeed believe you. Seems like fin keelers
think a full keel boat can't possibly sail faster than 3 knots..... in any
conditions.

I used to chuckle when a friend's former Westsail 32 would leave virtually
everything behind on windy days. And I get a kick out of watching Catalina
34 owners turn tail and run the other way when they can't outdistance my
current 34' full keel boat in any wind conditions. But hey, who am I to
attempt to dispel long-standing misconceptions? There are a lot of authors
who made big bucks creating them.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
I used to chuckle when a friend's former Westsail 32 would leave virtually
everything behind on windy days.

I get a chuckle out of crab-crusher sailers who occasionally manage to
pass a poorly handled production cruiser-racer and then brags forever
about "leaving everything behind."

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:
I used to chuckle when a friend's former Westsail 32 would leave
virtually
everything behind on windy days.

I get a chuckle out of crab-crusher sailers who occasionally manage to
pass a poorly handled production cruiser-racer and then brags forever
about "leaving everything behind."

Well, no one could ever claim that Doug is bogged down in falacious dogma.
:-)

Max