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Sea Trial
Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without a sea trial or at least sailing the same design prior? I sailed Yoda before buying her. I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
More lies from the ****Head.
"Bobsprit" wrote ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. |
More lies from the ****Head.
Scotty wrote: No sea trial for me. It wasn't possible at my pricepoint. |
GoogleSsearchS 11/09/2003
Drate: I didn't see how a sea trial would help matters bec (Note the date, Folks!) RB |
You've been busted again, Scotty Potti. Will you ever learn your place? Hooooh ahhhh! Oh, yeah!!! I'm back. Admit it, Mooron. Good form or what? He dropped so low he's attacking a fetus! RB |
busted? How so?
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You've been busted again, Scotty Potti. Will you ever learn your place? Hooooh ahhhh! Oh, yeah!!! I'm back. Admit it, Mooron. Good form or what? He dropped so low he's attacking a fetus! RB |
I'm not advocating that at all Bob.
I simply told you that I did not find it necessary to test sail the vessel prior to making an offer. The sail was contingent on survey and sea trial. CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | | Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any | kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without a sea trial | or at least sailing the same design prior? | I sailed Yoda before buying her. | I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. | I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do | it. | I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to | purchase. | | RB |
I didn't get the post you were referring to on my server. It may appear
later.... I get that a lot. CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | | You've been busted again, Scotty Potti. Will you ever learn your place? | Hooooh ahhhh! | Oh, yeah!!! I'm back. Admit it, Mooron. Good form or what? He dropped so low | he's attacking a fetus! | | RB |
You calling bob a liar? Oh, no. he needs to feel you are on 'his
side'. Watch him explode now. SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... I'm not advocating that at all Bob. I simply told you that I did not find it necessary to test sail the vessel prior to making an offer. The sail was contingent on survey and sea trial. CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | | Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any | kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without a sea trial | or at least sailing the same design prior? | I sailed Yoda before buying her. | I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. | I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do | it. | I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to | purchase. | | RB |
Gee a made up phony post. How original. What's next, you gonna claim
that I e mailed you? Scotty Drate? "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... GoogleSsearchS 11/09/2003 Drate: I didn't see how a sea trial would help matters bec (Note the date, Folks!) RB |
I'm not on anyone's side...
I look out for myself... the rest of you are on your own. My advise would be to make friends and allys prior to crossing swords with me! [How's that for a dash of blatant arrogance? :-P] CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | You calling bob a liar? Oh, no. he needs to feel you are on 'his | side'. Watch him explode now. | | SV | | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | I'm not advocating that at all Bob. | | I simply told you that I did not find it necessary to test sail the | vessel | prior to making an offer. The sail was contingent on survey and sea | trial. | | CM | | | "Bobsprit" wrote in message | ... | | | | Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea | trial of | any | | kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without | a sea | trial | | or at least sailing the same design prior? | | I sailed Yoda before buying her. | | I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. | | I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a | distance to | do | | it. | | I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea | prior | to | | purchase. | | | | RB | | | | |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... I'm not on anyone's side... I look out for myself... the rest of you are on your own. My advise would be to make friends and allys prior to crossing swords with me! [How's that for a dash of blatant arrogance? :-P] Kinda lame. I expect better from you. You're not mad at me because I proved you wrong in the ''Boom'' thread, are you? Scotty |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | I'm not on anyone's side... | | I look out for myself... the rest of you are on your own. | | My advise would be to make friends and allys prior to crossing | swords with | me! | | [How's that for a dash of blatant arrogance? :-P] | | | Kinda lame. I expect better from you. | You're not mad at me because I proved you wrong in the ''Boom'' | thread, are you? Friggin' critics on the rag... Nah..... I don't get mad Scotty..... you didn't prove my argument wrong... just a portion of my rebuttal proved to be not as airtight as expected. This is a good thing .:-P~~ Nonetheless.... my point of view regarding the topic remains solid. CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote | | | | Kinda lame. I expect better from you. | You're not mad at me because I proved you wrong in the ''Boom'' | thread, are you? just a portion of my rebuttal proved to be not as airtight as expected. I'll take that as a win for me. Thank you. Scotty |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message | I'll take that as a win for me. Thank you. Premature claims of victory will not change the facts that I'm right and you are wrong unless I agree you are right which I haven't done so you must still be wrong because I am right. CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | I'll take that as a win for me. Thank you. Premature claims of victory will not change the facts that I'm right and you are wrong unless I agree you are right which I haven't done so you must still be wrong because I am right. Double talk, the last gasp of a loser. Scotty |
So, you did a sea trial on your C&C 32?
John Cairns "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without a sea trial or at least sailing the same design prior? I sailed Yoda before buying her. I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message | Double talk, the last gasp of a loser. I haven't lost.... nor am I lost.... I was merely distracted for a second. CM |
Watch out John, he'll claim he 'caught' you in his 'troll'.
Scotty "John Cairns" wrote in message . .. So, you did a sea trial on your C&C 32? John Cairns "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. I'm curious; how many folks here bought their vessel without a sea trial or at least sailing the same design prior? I sailed Yoda before buying her. I sailed a Pearson 30 3 times before buying Ghost. I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
Well if you do get lost, I suppose I'll have to rescue you, since
according to Blob****, I owe you one. Any idea what he was yammering about? Scotty "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | Double talk, the last gasp of a loser. I haven't lost.... nor am I lost.... I was merely distracted for a second. CM |
I believe he misconstrued my post as siding with you since it agreed with
your point of view... If that were so then you can rest confident in your righteousness since I am rarely wrong about anything... I'm certain you'll agree to that! :-) CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Well if you do get lost, I suppose I'll have to rescue you, since | according to Blob****, I owe you one. | | Any idea what he was yammering about? | | Scotty | | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | | | Double talk, the last gasp of a loser. | | I haven't lost.... nor am I lost.... I was merely distracted for a | second. | | CM | | | | |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... I believe he misconstrued my post as siding with you since it agreed with your point of view... If that were so then you can rest confident in your righteousness since I am rarely wrong about anything... I'm certain you'll agree to that! :-) rarely, yes. but there was that 25% boom thing that you screwed up.... SV |
Sorry about that, had the post minimzed when I replied. Sailing a C&C 32 is
not a "sea trial" of the boat you purchased, unless the boat you purchased is the one you sailed. There is only one kind of "sea trial" when you're referring to the purchase of a used sailboat, it is a test sail with an inspection of the particular boat you're considering buying. Period. Really, even you should be able to figure that one out. If you're going to play expert you need to UNDERSTAND the terminology, otherwise you merely come off as ignorant http://www.schulzsurveyors.com/sea.htm This might help, a good definition of what a "sea trial" entails. John Cairns. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien ad drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
Sailing a C&C32 is not a "sea trial".
http://www.schulzsurveyors.com/sea.htm If you're going to play the expert, you need to UNDERSTAND the terminology. There is only one kind of "sea trial", it involves sailing and inspecting the boat you intend to purchase, not the same model. John Cairns "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. . I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien and drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
You been taking lessons from DSK?
Cheers Capt. Mooron wrote: "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | I'll take that as a win for me. Thank you. Premature claims of victory will not change the facts that I'm right and you are wrong unless I agree you are right which I haven't done so you must still be wrong because I am right. CM |
Sailing a C&C32 is not a "sea trial".
http://www.schulzsurveyors.com/sea.htm If you're going to play the expert, you need to UNDERSTAND the terminology. There is only one kind of "sea trial", it involves sailing and inspecting the boat you intend to purchase, not the same model. While sailing the vessel one plans to buy is best, sailing a sistership is a reasonable alternative. Let's look at why this is so. The main reasons for a sea trial are to judge sailing characteristics and test a vessel for obvious problems. In an era of production boats built by major builders, boats of the same design generally exhibit identical sailing charateristics. This is the essence of one design building. So sailing a sistership(s) will generally bear out sailing characteristics. In the case of Alien, her history was known to me and she was thoroughly gone over. In the end I had some idea of how she would sail and had no concerns regarding condition. For all intents and purposes I had a sea trial. Clearly this is not the case with boats built one off and I would want a sea trial of certain makes, such as Cheoy Lee, irrespective of a detailed survey. RB |
Sailing a similar boat is not a Sea Trial, it's a test drive.
Still more than Scotty did. And Mooron and Scotty are still advocating buying a designs who's sailing properties are unknown. RB |
More lies from the ****Head.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Sailing a similar boat is not a Sea Trial, it's a test drive. Still more than Scotty did. And Mooron and Scotty are still advocating buying a designs who's sailing properties are unknown. RB |
he 'tried out' the 'bed' (as he called it). That was all he needed,
that and good dock lines. Scotty "John Cairns" wrote in message . .. Sorry about that, had the post minimzed when I replied. Sailing a C&C 32 is not a "sea trial" of the boat you purchased, unless the boat you purchased is the one you sailed. There is only one kind of "sea trial" when you're referring to the purchase of a used sailboat, it is a test sail with an inspection of the particular boat you're considering buying. Period. Really, even you should be able to figure that one out. If you're going to play expert you need to UNDERSTAND the terminology, otherwise you merely come off as ignorant http://www.schulzsurveyors.com/sea.htm This might help, a good definition of what a "sea trial" entails. John Cairns. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Scotty and Mooron are now advocating buying a boat without a sea trial of any kind. I sailed a C&C 32 twice before buying Alien ad drove quite a distance to do it. I think spending time aboard a boat (when possible) is a good idea prior to purchase. RB |
Nutsy,
Where did you find a sister ship with the Step Ladder on the Stern? OT |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | Sailing a similar boat is not a Sea Trial, it's a test drive. | | | Still more than Scotty did. And Mooron and Scotty are still advocating buying a | designs who's sailing properties are unknown. I simply made a factual statement regarding the steps undertaken when I purchased my particular vessel Bob... I did not "advocate" anything. You are taking undue liberties with my posting. I believe the difference here is that while I have been raised around boats, since I was 5 years old, you are in effect a "Johnny come lately" to the scene. I have no doubt that you can quote verbatim what you've read on the subject and profess to numerous day sails in protected waters which never truly test a boat.... I can calmly assess a vessel based on years of experience, sea time, foul weather behaviour as well as apprenticeship to master craftsmen and boat builders.... I've repaired and rebuilt more vessels than you have sailed on. I started commercial fishing at 13 years old and learned early from my betters. It's an option you should seriously consider Bob! CM |
Even the most cared for boat can have a flaw you will not find unless
you put her thru the paces. But if you can't put her through her paces, then sailing a sistership is a good idea followed by a very careful survey. Joe, you made NO points. I did everything correctly and my boat, which has NO problems proves it. You can cry and troll like an ass, but you'll still be wrong. Here's the proof and the pudding.... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/al4.jpg Dry boat, bone dry decks and no engine or electrical problems after two seasons. You can argue with success, Joe, but you'll just keep losing! RB |
a vessel for obvious problems.
Yes and you will never find odvious problems on a sistership dummy. What an idiot. Obvious problems will be found if you have a clue about boats, which you clearly don't! RB |
This is the essence of one design building. So sailing a
sistership(s) will generally bear out sailing characteristics. Halfwit Joe, please explain how MY C&C 32, (following a proper survey) might still have exhibited dissapointing sailing characteristics as compared to the two other C&C 32s I'd sailed. Having sailed aboard 4 of them now, I'm really curious to hear this one! RB |
Alien, her history was known to me and she was thoroughly gone over. In the
end Not if you did not do a sea trial. How did you stress her on the blocks? Stress test her how and where, dumbass? On the LIS? What a dope! RB |
Nutsy,
Where did you find a sister ship with the Step Ladder on the Stern? Good point! My boat also has better gear than the others. I wonder how much performance difference all of my self tailing winches make... RB |
I did not "advocate" anything. You are
taking undue liberties with my posting. Just as I expected. More than backpedaling, Mooron actually sails backward. RB |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | I did not "advocate" anything. You are | taking undue liberties with my posting. | | | Just as I expected. More than backpedaling, Mooron actually sails backward. Yes... I love looking at the wake ! I never backpedal going downhill. CM |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... I'm not on anyone's side... I look out for myself... the rest of you are on your own. My advise would be to make friends and allys prior to crossing swords with me! [How's that for a dash of blatant arrogance? :-P] Pah! You are far too *nice* to be arrogant! I also suspect that you are a little bit afraid to upset the big hitters. You never insult Oz, Nav or Wally. Also, I'm a bit suspicious about your lily livered attacks on the resident fattie from New York! In fact, I can't remember when you last delivered a good insult to me...... Chicken! Regards Donal -- |
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