"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:05:35 -0400, "Vito" said:

What do you call it when your daughter is denied entry to a publicly
supported school.

Affirmative action.

Good answer. But I was talking about a young woman who'd been in the top 1%
of her class denied entry to a masters program because only men were able to
conduct under-water research.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Lack of genes good enough to produce the intelligence required to gain
entry.

That was the arguement used to keep women out of Med and law schools until
the mid '60s.

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Dave wrote:
It wasn't my daughter (who did get in), but I was talking about several kids
who tested in the top 1% of the IQ distribution but were denied entry
because the school's policy was to admit instead kids who tested way below
that if they had the right skin color or the right sort of surname.

White and Bush?



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http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Sounds like U of M.....(that's Michigan, donchaknow....)
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:12:14 -0400, "Vito" said:

What do you call it when your daughter is denied entry to a publicly
supported school.

Affirmative action.

Good answer. But I was talking about a young woman who'd been in the top
1%
of her class denied entry to a masters program because only men were able
to
conduct under-water research.

It wasn't my daughter (who did get in), but I was talking about several
kids
who tested in the top 1% of the IQ distribution but were denied entry
because the school's policy was to admit instead kids who tested way below
that if they had the right skin color or the right sort of surname.

On 25 Aug 2004 18:06:02 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article ,
Dave wrote:
It wasn't my daughter (who did get in), but I was talking about several kids
who tested in the top 1% of the IQ distribution but were denied entry
because the school's policy was to admit instead kids who tested way below
that if they had the right skin color or the right sort of surname.

White and Bush?

That too:) These are dangerous waters for me. I have been dating a
Cuban gal for several years who is green eyed and very fair skinned.
Looks like any other European. Her daughter, who is a blue eyed
blonde who has never spent a day in a public school or had a
disadvantaged day in her life was admitted to a prestigious university
ahead of other, in some cases more qualified, "anglo" candidates
because she was able to check the "hispanic" box. Frankly, that is
just BS. This gal is now engaged and her fiance was joking, I think,
with me that he can hardly wait to have some "minority children."

This "set aside" business is a bunch of nonsense, at least the way it
is currently being used to favor some groups to the obvious detriment
of others. Needless to say that opinion is not widely shared or
appreciated in this social circle. I may as well jump up and shout
"Viva Fidel!":) Actually I probably will someday.

On 25 Aug 2004 21:17:10 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:59:07 GMT, felton said:

This "set aside" business is a bunch of nonsense, at least the way it
is currently being used to favor some groups to the obvious detriment
of others.

Congratulations on saying something sensible, Felton.

I am all for qualifications and accomplishments over family name or
connections. Nothing inconsistent in my positions.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:12:14 -0400, "Vito" said:

What do you call it when your daughter is denied entry to a publicly
supported school.

Affirmative action.

Good answer. But I was talking about a young woman who'd been in the top
1%
of her class denied entry to a masters program because only men were able
to
conduct under-water research.

It wasn't my daughter (who did get in), but I was talking about several
kids
who tested in the top 1% of the IQ distribution but were denied entry
because the school's policy was to admit instead kids who tested way below
that if they had the right skin color or the right sort of surname.

'No Child Left Behind' is fixing that by loading brighter kids with Ritilan
so they don't mind learning at the slowest kid's pace.

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Dave wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:59:07 GMT, felton said:

This "set aside" business is a bunch of nonsense, at least the way it
is currently being used to favor some groups to the obvious detriment
of others.

Congratulations on saying something sensible, Felton.

It's nice to know that occasionally your meds work Dave.


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Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

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Dave wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 18:06:02 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
said:

White and Bush?

No, since you ask. Black and Gonzales

If you're talking about yourself, it would be dumb and dumber.
(Calm down, I'm not really calling you names Mr. Poodle.)



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

That's right! We should always blame the teachers! I heard their
responsible for nuclear proliferation and the deficit.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:03:19 -0400, "Vito" said:

'No Child Left Behind' is fixing that by loading brighter kids with Ritilan
so they don't mind learning at the slowest kid's pace.

Really? What does the Act say about Ritlan? What I think you mean is that
the members of the teachers' union are trying to reduce the stress they're
experiencing from demands that they actually perform.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."