DSK wrote in message ...
(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
I'd certainly believe 250 vets vs the 5 Kerry drags around the
country with
him. It would be pretty hard to get 250 individules to conspire to
tell a lie vs 5.

Not really. It's a question of motivation & background. Are Kerry's five
backed by a professional political hatchet studio? The "Swift Veterans
for Truth" are funded and organized 100% by a group that is the
Bush-Cheney teams top character assassins.

It's a question of what you want to believe. You and Dave & Bart & Joe
really really really want to believe all sorts of horrible things about
Kerry... he's bad, evil, communist, satanist, etc etc.

Doug,

I wish Kerry did not act the way he did, and hang out with the people
that he did hang out with during the Vietnam era. Fact is he did what
he did and it was very wrong IMO. What he did was bad. He called is
"brothers" evil, satanist baby killers.

If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
freedom,and truth personally.

Joe




If you're OK with the likes Jerry Falwell & Rush Limbaugh telling you
what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more freedom,
personally.

DSK

"Joe" wrote in message

| If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
| you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
| freedom,and truth personally.

From BUSH????? Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

Come on now Joe.... even you must see the humour in that statement!!

Both Kerry & Bush are professional liars... you just like the sweet nothings
Bush whispers to you while he's screwing you up the ass.... rather than
Kerry's laments to kiss it and make it all better.

You guys are ****ed with either of these two losers!!

CM

On 23 Aug 2004 12:33:10 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

DSK wrote in message ...
(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
I'd certainly believe 250 vets vs the 5 Kerry drags around the
country with
him. It would be pretty hard to get 250 individules to conspire to
tell a lie vs 5.

Not really. It's a question of motivation & background. Are Kerry's five
backed by a professional political hatchet studio? The "Swift Veterans
for Truth" are funded and organized 100% by a group that is the
Bush-Cheney teams top character assassins.

It's a question of what you want to believe. You and Dave & Bart & Joe
really really really want to believe all sorts of horrible things about
Kerry... he's bad, evil, communist, satanist, etc etc.

Doug,

I wish Kerry did not act the way he did, and hang out with the people
that he did hang out with during the Vietnam era. Fact is he did what
he did and it was very wrong IMO. What he did was bad. He called is
"brothers" evil, satanist baby killers.

Really? Damn, Joe, you never pass up an opportunity to miss the
point. Why do you think Kerry opposed the war when he returned from
it? Do you think he just wanted to take the opportunity to brand all
veterans as "evil, satanist baby killers" or do you think he might
have been trying to stop a war that had killed something like 50,000
Americans by then, close to 1 Million Vietnamese and was tearing
*this* country apart? Do you think the war was right and Kerry was
wrong in opposing it? Kerry was primarily questioning the leadership
of the war..the political leadership and the military leadership. I
wasn't there and I know you weren't, but Kerry was and he took a stand
based on his principles that he pays for yet today among those who
disagree. Too bad we didn't have more political courage among our own
elected leaders in those days, or it wouldn't have lasted as long as
it did.

One of the reasons our military is as good as they are today is
because they learned from all the mistakes in Vietnam. They are the
first to admit it, unlike you. Read what Tommy Franks has to say...he
doesn't disagree with the basic points that John Kerry raised back
then. The only thing good about making a mistake is the ability to
learn from it. Kerry proved he has that ability, unlike our current
President who has never and will never admit a mistake. Now that is a
dangerous trait for anyone, but it is unacceptable in a President.




If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
freedom,and truth personally.

Joe

You are personally free to continue not to think, and that is the
truth



If you're OK with the likes Jerry Falwell & Rush Limbaugh telling you
what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more freedom,
personally.

DSK

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:42:03 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:


"Joe" wrote in message

| If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
| you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
| freedom,and truth personally.

From BUSH????? Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

Come on now Joe.... even you must see the humour in that statement!!

Both Kerry & Bush are professional liars... you just like the sweet nothings
Bush whispers to you while he's screwing you up the ass.... rather than
Kerry's laments to kiss it and make it all better.

You guys are ****ed with either of these two losers!!

CM

Two? Hey, in some states they will have three to choose from
Personally I like gridlock, so unreasonable people have to compromise
to get anything done. Usually when you read about a wise and just
King, it is in a fairy tale.

Joe wrote:
Doug,

I wish Kerry did not act the way he did, and hang out with the people
that he did hang out with during the Vietnam era.

Great. I wish I had not hung out with some of the people I did during
the Viet Nam era. So what?

Are you comparing Bush's service to Kerry's? No, you're just badmouthing
Kerry 'cuz you think it's cool.

.... What he did was bad. He called is
"brothers" evil, satanist baby killers.

No, he said that there were atrocities being committed by *some*
servicemen in Viet Nam. That was a fact.


If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
freedom,and truth personally.

Why assume that either of them are telling me what to do? The facts are
out on the street... jobs are down, the economy sucks, the Attorney
General is locking people up forever without cause, the national debt is
skyrocketing, the poor are paying higher taxes while the rich skate,
health care has become a lottery, the pollution of our air & water is
going full steam ahead, the Army is tied down in a pointless war, our
military has been ordered to torture prisoners, our intellignece
services have been forced to wear ideoligical blinders...

The list goes on and on and on.

DSK

In article ,
Joe wrote:
I wish Kerry did not act the way he did, and hang out with the people
that he did hang out with during the Vietnam era. Fact is he did what
he did and it was very wrong IMO. What he did was bad. He called is
"brothers" evil, satanist baby killers.

There's nothing wrong with you not liking what Kerry said or did. Just
don't lie about it. That's the issue.

If you're OK with the likes Micheal Moore & Jane Fonda & Kerry telling
you what to think & how to vote, then OK... I prefer a bit more
freedom,and truth personally.

Joe, Joe, you're missing the point. The point is that we don't want
anyone telling us what we can or can't do. That's what Bush, Asscroft,
Rummy, Chumpy and the rest are trying to do. If you really do prefer
a bit more freedom and truth, stop believe the lies you're being told
by those in power.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

At least Kerry was out where shooting was goiing on and not hanging out
at the Officiers Club in Texas

At least Kerry was out where shooting was goiing on and not hanging out
at the Officiers Club in Texas

Kerry asked for Swift boat duty because at the time they were not doing patrol
missions. After he was assigned their role changed. It was then he wanted out
of Swift boat duty. These are facts stated by the Swift boat commander.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

So, what you're saying is that he acted rationally??

I agree.

In article ,
SAIL LOCO wrote:
At least Kerry was out where shooting was goiing on and not hanging out
at the Officiers Club in Texas

Kerry asked for Swift boat duty because at the time they were not doing patrol
missions. After he was assigned their role changed. It was then he wanted out
of Swift boat duty. These are facts stated by the Swift boat commander.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 24 Aug 2004 04:53:19 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote this
crap:

At least Kerry was out where shooting was goiing on and not hanging out
at the Officiers Club in Texas

Kerry asked for Swift boat duty because at the time they were not doing patrol
missions. After he was assigned their role changed. It was then he wanted out
of Swift boat duty. These are facts stated by the Swift boat commander.


Not only that. The French-looking John Kerry volunteered for the Navy
because he asked for a draft deferment to study in Paris, and was
refused.

What was he going to study in Paris? White flag sewing? Tactics of
surrender? How to say, "I give up," in 47 languages?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!