felton wrote


So basically you are admitting that your grudge with Kerry is his
anti-war stance taken AFTER he served.

No I just do not like backstabbing people that serve with you then go
behind your back and said you were killing babies.

Many served that did not like the war, yet they felt no need to get
left wing liberals worked up so much that they had the urge to spit on
anyone in uniform.

Well, some folks are slow
learners. Most people know what a huge cluster **** that war was.
Kerry was there. Bush wasn't. He has every right to express his
opinion.

Yes he had that right. And he could of expressed his distain for the
war without screwing his "band of Brothers" and stabbing them in the
back, and selling them out for the likes of Hanoi Jane.

He is the major factor that made it a undesirable thing to put on a
uniform from 1969 to 1991.

Most likely the reason you never put one on.

Joe



4mo=3purple hearts+a bronze star+ a Silver Star -----Yeah right..
super hero to Jane Hanoi fonda maybe, everone else can see right thru
it...

Joe

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
They're becoming more popular than ever. OTOH, Michael Moore is
collapsing under his own weight.

Sure, whatever. Are you really that stupid? OTOH, MM's movie is
a blockbuster.
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Good one loco... we just need to get Arnold interested.

In article ,
SAIL LOCO wrote:
I'm predicting that with all this publicity about Swift boats they will become
the Hummer of the waterways.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"


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On 21 Aug 2004 21:38:46 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

His original testimony began with the phrase..."they said". That was
conveniently ommitted from the Lying Republican Swift Boat Vets ad.
They made it appear that he was the source of the charges, when he
wasn't.

I've listened to complete recordings and Kerry says "I did this or that"
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Allow me to refresh your failing memory:



"Kerry’s 1971 Testimony Was Relating the Stories He Heard From Fellow
Vietnam Veterans—Incidents Which Have Been Openly Admitted &
Investigated Since.

Kerry Spoke About Testimony He Had Heard From Vietnam Veterans. “I
would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that
several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over
150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans
testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated
incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full
awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to
describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in
the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences
in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what
this country, in a sense, made them do.” – John Kerry [Senate Foreign
Relations Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

In 1971 Kerry Condemned America’s Political & Military Leadership—Not
His Fellow Veterans

Kerry’s Testimony Was an Indictment of America’s Political Leadership
Not Fellow Veterans.

We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are
the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to
ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatric and so many others.
Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have
returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and
there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they
never leave their wounded. The Marines say they never leave even their
dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a
pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of
their reputation bleaching behind them in the sun in this country.” –
John Kerry [Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

Kerry Believed Responsibility Did Not Lie With Veterans. Mr. Kerry: My
feeling, Senator, on Lieutenant Calley is what he did quite obviously
was a horrible, horrible, horrible thing and I have no bone to pick
with the fact that he was prosecuted. But I think that in this
question you have to separate guilt from responsibility, and I think
clearly the responsibility for what has happened there lies elsewhere.
I think it lies with the men who designed free fire zones. I think it
lies with the men who encourage body counts. [Senate Foreign Relations
Committee Testimony, 4/22/71]

On 21 Aug 2004 19:29:24 -0700, (Joe) wrote:

felton wrote


So basically you are admitting that your grudge with Kerry is his
anti-war stance taken AFTER he served.

No I just do not like backstabbing people that serve with you then go
behind your back and said you were killing babies.

Really? How do you feel about John McCain? Who stabbed him in the
back during the last election? Hint: It wasn't John Kerry.


Many served that did not like the war, yet they felt no need to get
left wing liberals worked up so much that they had the urge to spit on
anyone in uniform.

Left wing liberals? Is that who you think was against the war? Were
those all left wing liberals rioting in the 60s, all stirred up by
John McCain? The antiwar movement finally brought that tragic war to
an end, saving countless lives. The military learned many lessons
from that, but sadly not much else good came from that mess.


Well, some folks are slow
learners. Most people know what a huge cluster **** that war was.
Kerry was there. Bush wasn't. He has every right to express his
opinion.

Yes he had that right. And he could of expressed his distain for the
war without screwing his "band of Brothers" and stabbing them in the
back, and selling them out for the likes of Hanoi Jane.

He is the major factor that made it a undesirable thing to put on a
uniform from 1969 to 1991.

You are insane. He, personally, was the major factor in all this that
you see.


Most likely the reason you never put one on.

Whatever you say, Rambo.


Joe



4mo=3purple hearts+a bronze star+ a Silver Star -----Yeah right..
super hero to Jane Hanoi fonda maybe, everone else can see right thru
it...

Joe

On 21 Aug 2004 21:35:20 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
They're becoming more popular than ever. OTOH, Michael Moore is
collapsing under his own weight.

Sure, whatever. Are you really that stupid? OTOH, MM's movie is
a blockbuster.


Only if you call a fizzle a blockbuster.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Allow me to refresh your failing memory:.

Excuse me but my memory is not failing. Kerry has stated " I committed those
same atrocities"
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Thank god for John McCain. Even he's so sick of the crap
(the same crap Bush pulled on him), that he's asked Dubya
to disavow the SFFT. So far, Bush hasn't done it.

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www.sailnow.com

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Allow me to refresh your failing memory:.

Excuse me but my memory is not failing. Kerry has stated " I committed
those
same atrocities"
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

The greatest number of ticket sales ever for a documentary?
Up for a couple Academy Awards. Yup. It's a fizzle.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 21 Aug 2004 21:35:20 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote this crap:

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
They're becoming more popular than ever. OTOH, Michael Moore is
collapsing under his own weight.

Sure, whatever. Are you really that stupid? OTOH, MM's movie is
a blockbuster.


Only if you call a fizzle a blockbuster.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:38:02 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

The greatest number of ticket sales ever for a documentary?
Up for a couple Academy Awards. Yup. It's a fizzle.


It's not a documentary. It's an "Op-ed."
It's mostly fiction.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!