Docking Situation Question #1
 

You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

3. What are your bail out options?

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:35:50 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote this crap:


Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

How much rum to get.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Bart Senior wrote:
You are in a difficult docking situation.

A five knot current is sure a difficult situation!

If you can warp the boat around to the end of the dock and set out on a
broad reach and actually make headway against the current, then you'd be
fine.

You're smart to think of a bail-out maneuver, but the situation isn't
clear enough to me to suggest one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Screw the light; what time does the bar open. I can't remember or deal
will all the problems

Maybe after a few?

OT

"Bart Senior" wrote in message . net...
You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

First I would release the stern line and flip the boat around Kerry
Style.

With my bow upstream I would hold the stern line tight as a spring and
let the bow drift out... raise the jib just past the dead on wind,
hold the stern until I started getting way then cast off on a windward
tack downstream using the wind and current to my advantage to gain
enough speed to clear the Motersailer.

Another option might be to toss a anchor off your port bow and swing
out into the current , raise all sails as you pull up your kedge and
sail away from the dock using the rudder and hydrodynamic against your
anchor.


2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

Nothing a sure thing,........ call a towboat?


3. What are your bail out options?
A fast deployed anchor


Joe

5 knot water -oouch
6 knot wind

use an oar on the windward side from the cockpit, as you ease the lines from
the dock--- turning the bow towards the wind using the current?
sail off on a close reach picking up speed and heading up till you clear the
docks

bailout plan: stern anchor.

or have the launch tow you out, giving you some time for a beer at the club
gf.


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

3. What are your bail out options?

The wind is blowing onto the shore/dock.

There is space to raise sails.

OooooozeOne wrote

Is the wind blowing you off the shore or onto it?
Do you have room to hoist any sails..albeit without using the main
halyard lock..?


On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:35:50 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:

You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

3. What are your bail out options?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Several possibilities exist... but I have no experience with the handling
characteristics of an Etchells
My experience with my crab crusher to a lee dock would have me row out an
anchor... raise the sails at the dock and tow myself out to the hook...
then weigh the kedge tackle under trim and set course into the current

Your scenario would require as Joe stated... flipping the bow to the wind
prior to leaving the dock.

At any rate you would initially want to sail into the current to gain as
much ground as possible before tacking downstream to gain speed and avoid
the downstream obstructions.

CM


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
| The wind is blowing onto the shore/dock.
|
| There is space to raise sails.
|
| OooooozeOne wrote
|
| Is the wind blowing you off the shore or onto it?
| Do you have room to hoist any sails..albeit without using the main
| halyard lock..?
|
|
| On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:35:50 GMT, "Bart Senior"
| scribbled thusly:
|
| You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
| to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
| must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
| light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.
|
| You docked are on a river, facing down stream.
|
| There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.
|
| The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
| boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
| 6 knots.
|
| The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
| without a motor.
|
| Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
| that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
| project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
| tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.
|
| If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
| with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
| out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
| trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
| either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
| of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
| and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.
|
| Questions:
| 1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
| need to consider in planning this departure.
|
| 2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?
|
| 3. What are your bail out options?
|
|
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
|
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|

What's to stop you letting the stream take you past the obstructions
while you add minor adjustmets using the wind???

Cheers

Bart Senior wrote:

You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

3. What are your bail out options?

Reaching off would be easy then bear away and enjoy the fast ride
downstream!

Cheers

OooooozeOne wrote:

Then raise the sails, push off and sail outta there.

When you get out in the middle, round up and set the halyard lock then
enjoy your sail.

It is an Etchells after all! :-)

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:02:09 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:


The wind is blowing onto the shore/dock.

There is space to raise sails.

OooooozeOne wrote


Is the wind blowing you off the shore or onto it?
Do you have room to hoist any sails..albeit without using the main
halyard lock..?


On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:35:50 GMT, "Bart Senior"
scribbled thusly:


You are in a difficult docking situation. You want
to depart the dock and sail on a gorgeous day, but
must leave now. Any later and you will lose your
light, and have to cancel sailing for the day.

You docked are on a river, facing down stream.

There is a 5 knot ebb current and it is max ebb.

The wind is coming directly across the beam of your
boat and also directly across the river. It is blowing
6 knots.

The boat is an Etchells keelboat, skeg hung rudder
without a motor.

Down current are two obstacles---both are docks
that are parallel to the river. The closest dock does not
project out as far as the second but has a motorsailer
tied up pointed upriver that you must clear.

If you clear the first dock, you still have to contend
with clearing the second dock which extends even farther
out into the river. If you can't clear that dock, you are
trapped in a cul-de-sac and will collide with something,
either the inside of the dock and pilings, which are free
of boats, or else into the club house with your forestay
and likely damage your rig, if not lose it entirely.

Questions:
1. What is your strategy? What are all the factors you
need to consider in planning this departure.

2. What can you do to insure you clear both docks?

3. What are your bail out options?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.