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Bart Senior August 17th 04 04:25 PM

The filters looked ok, I changed them anyway.

There was air in the lines.

"Scott Vernon" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote ...
It didn't run at all until I changed the filters and bleed the
system.


Because the filters were clogged, or you had air in the system?
If the filters were clogged, the new one may have restriction already.
Did you inspect the rubber gasket? Do you have 2 fuel filters?

SV

I'll bet it's either the fuel pump or else the return line. Either
of those fits the circumstances.




Joe August 17th 04 07:08 PM

DSK wrote in message ...
Scout wrote:
Why would the return line cause it to lose fuel when you open the throttle?
If the purpose of the return line is to return unused fuel to the tank,
theoretically there is less fuel passing through it as you open the throttle
up.


Not necessarily. With a Detroit, yes, but other types of injector
systems do it differently. With our diesel (Ford Lehman) for example
there is almost no return at idle, the return flow seems to be
proportional to throttle setting (although it jumps when the load changes).


I find that very strange Doug. I have a Ford Bowman and have a very
strong return even at idle. Also have a very neat system to bleed the
system of air.
Its a tank mounted above the fuel system that has a capasity of the
whole fuel system. If I get air in the system it get trapped in this
tank above everything else. On top of the tank is a valve for purging
out all the air. It's great for removing all the air induced while
changing filters off shore in a rocking boat. My return is just as
strong at idle as it is at full throttle. I have a simms fuel pump
what do you have? Perhaps the Bowman conversation is just far better
and stouter than your lehman conversion.

Joe





A blocked return line could cause the engine to die but it would be more
likely to surge or be unresponsive to throttle first (disclaimer- I am
not an expert diesel mechanic and never played one on TV)

Your advice about checking the filter again even though its new is right
on. Say Bart do you have a vacuum gage on the filter outlet?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Joe August 17th 04 07:12 PM

DSK wrote in message ...
Scout wrote:
Why would the return line cause it to lose fuel when you open the throttle?
If the purpose of the return line is to return unused fuel to the tank,
theoretically there is less fuel passing through it as you open the throttle
up.


Not necessarily. With a Detroit, yes, but other types of injector
systems do it differently. With our diesel (Ford Lehman) for example
there is almost no return at idle, the return flow seems to be
proportional to throttle setting (although it jumps when the load changes).


I find that weird Doug, I have a Ford Bowman and the return is just as
strong at Idle as it is a full throttle. My Bowman conversion has a
Simms fuel pump what do you have on your Ford?

Perhaps it is because Leamans or not as stout and well built as the
Bowman conversions;)

Joe



A blocked return line could cause the engine to die but it would be more
likely to surge or be unresponsive to throttle first (disclaimer- I am
not an expert diesel mechanic and never played one on TV)

Your advice about checking the filter again even though its new is right
on. Say Bart do you have a vacuum gage on the filter outlet?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Joe August 17th 04 07:21 PM

"Bart Senior" wrote in message . net...
I put it on because I had trouble bleeding the system.


Here is what you do.

Mount a tank in the fuel system between the pump and the rack. Make
sure the that the tank is higher than the rest of the system.

Make sure the tank will hold an equal volume as the whole system. If
any air gets into the system it will bubble up in this tank. The tank
has a valve on top to bleed air off when you start the engine. I have
a clear hose going from the top of my tank to a day tank for the gen
set, if you do not have a day tank for your gen set use any fuel
container to catch bubbled up fuel.

Its great and works perfectly!

Joe






I've found that it was damn hard to bleed the system with
either a hand pump or electric. Later I found it was easy to
bleed the system with a little gravity assist.

I was planning on pulling it off anyway. I'd already clipped the
wires and the next step was to pull the pump.


"Joe" wrote

create a loop for the pump only if you must have one. Make it where
you can isolate the pump out of the system when not in use. Everyone I
know who did what you did has the same proble trying to suck fuel thru
a electrical pump without it on.

Why do you even need a pump besides the one on your engine?


Joe August 17th 04 08:09 PM

"Maxprop" wrote in message . net...
"katysails" wrote in message

Give me a break....us damn Yankees secure our furling after every

use....we
have storms with 70 mph straight line winds that shred gennies right off

the
furler if they're not tied up....those are just plain dumb people...


According to the weather service, Katy, those you were referring to were
roughly 100mph straight line winds. Our ketch was heeled 45 degrees over in
her slip under bare poles.

Max


Damn...Must be a nimble Ketch. At 110 knots we get a 10-15 degree heel max.

Joe

Joe August 17th 04 08:17 PM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

I do the same thing here Mooron. Mostley stinkboats. One trawler guy
gave me a crisp new 100 dollar bill. I told him I did not want it,
thats what you do for other boaters, he said if I did not take it he
would just toss it in the water. So I accepted it.

Then there are the cigarboat assholes. I secured about 5 floating
dock boxes full of gear before they made it to open water, not one of
the owners said thanks, and one of them with his stuck up slut gave me
dirty looks, acted ****ed off about it. Next time I plan to shoot
holes in them before they can bump into my boat. I think they would of
rather filed an highly inflated insurance claim.

Joe







I often wondered during hurricane Juan last year if it wasn't better just to
scuttle the damn boats that belonged to ignorant, inexperienced owners...
rather than allow them to become hazards to the vessels properly secured.

Cripes... on my boat I stripped every piece of loose cloth, dodger, rail
cloths, sails and gear from the decks and placed two anchors with major
chafe gear at 45 degrees to my mooring. I secured and stripped 5 other
vessels... the owners hadn't bothered coming out to do it themselves.

4 of the 5 thanked me profusely and purchased beer and rum for me. The 5th
never showed for the entire season.... I heard he had died on vacation and
his widow was housebound in grief.

3 vessels tore their moorings... all behind me because I secured all vessels
within what I believed was a striking perimeter. Those boats that tore
loose hit , damaged and/or sank 4 others. Of course nobody got blamed but
the insurance premiums went way up... for all of us!

Overproof suffered no damage at all. I dove to free the tangled mess of rode
and anchor.

You either rise to the challenge or get swamped by the results.

CM



"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
| These are people who probably don't know how to sail. If they
| learned on small boats they would understand how powerful the
| wind really is.
|
| "DSK" wrote
|
| The marina was well prepared, except for a few stupid people who did not
| take down their roller furled genoas... I climbed aboard two and added a
| set of securing hitches, one with the owner standing there telling me
| the whole time that he didn't need it, didn't want it, and I better come
| back right after the storm and get it off of there. This is what a I
| call a damn Yankee. Other people secured biminis & roller furlers for
| people who either couldn't or wouldn't take them off themselves.

| One of these bozos said to me, "The predicted wind is only 60 knots or
| less, that's not going to be a problem." I told him that 1- less than 60
| knots could shred his bimini, yank his genoa off it's furler and dismast
| him, as well as causing major damage to boats around him (this last
| being my own concern) and 2- there was a good possibility of tornados.
| This guy also has dock lines that look like old ratty clothesline.. the
| marina dockmaster had to loan him some real lines.
|
|
|


Capt. Mooron August 17th 04 09:11 PM

Ya Reb Cracker....


I love that term... "Cracker"

CM

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
| Bart Senior wrote:
| I don't think I've met a Southerner that was stupid and
| mean. I have to admit as a group, they rate about the
| best in the US.
|
| Thanks. I am a Southerner and am proud of it. Cultural differences are
| being erased in this country, partly because of mass media and partly
| because of everybody moving around so much.
|
| There certainly are mean-spirited and/or stupid and/or dishonest
| Sotherners, just like among any other people... we try to weed them out
| early though ;) Some cultural anthropologists studying the matter have
| identified a number of characteristics of Southerners, the main two are
| generosity and sense of honor. This doesn't necessarily mean that
| Southerners are more honest or have better families, just that we get
| PO'd if you insult them!
|
| Speaking of which, this guy is a hoot... genuine PhD and Southerner...
| used to write a column for the local paper until it was bought up by a
| Yankee franchise...
| http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/REED/tears.html
|
|
| DSK
|



katysails August 17th 04 11:12 PM


Dunno about truck stops, but most Waffle Houses do!

DSK

Waffle Houses are great...exce[t for the cholesterol....and are there really
people that drink unsweet tea????yech.....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



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katysails August 17th 04 11:14 PM

Ya Reb Cracker....

Doug doesn't live in Georgia....

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katysails
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Capt. Mooron August 18th 04 12:01 AM

Do all 'Crackers" hail from Georgia??

CM


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| Ya Reb Cracker....
|
| Doug doesn't live in Georgia....
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| s/v Chanteuse
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| http://katysails.tripod.com
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Maxprop August 18th 04 02:44 AM


"katysails" wrote in message

Our ketch was heeled 45 degrees over in
her slip under bare poles.

Yes...I remember that one vividly...for awhile O thought your ketch was
going to become a part of my rigging....


Nah. Your Kirie was heeled over 45 degrees in her own slip as well. That
would have been an awesome sight to see from, say, the restaurant--all those
boats heeling 45 degrees in the marina.

Max



Maxprop August 18th 04 02:50 AM


"DSK" wrote in message

Bart Senior wrote:
I don't think I've met a Southerner that was stupid and
mean. I have to admit as a group, they rate about the
best in the US.


Thanks. I am a Southerner and am proud of it. Cultural differences are
being erased in this country, partly because of mass media and partly
because of everybody moving around so much.

There certainly are mean-spirited and/or stupid and/or dishonest
Sotherners, just like among any other people... we try to weed them out
early though ;) Some cultural anthropologists studying the matter have
identified a number of characteristics of Southerners, the main two are
generosity and sense of honor. This doesn't necessarily mean that
Southerners are more honest or have better families, just that we get
PO'd if you insult them!


Our trip to NC this past December was my first actual experience with
southerners. Apart from all the transplanted New Yorkers they were far and
away the friendliest, kindest, most accommodating people I've ever
encountered. For example, we stopped at a convenience store/gas station in
Bayboro for my wife to buy a bottle of Lipton tea. The girl behind the
counter apologized repeatedly for not having any, and actually offered to
brew some up next door at her house. Never had that experience before.

Max



Maxprop August 18th 04 02:55 AM


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Maxprop" wrote in message


"katysails" wrote in message

Give me a break....us damn Yankees secure our furling after every

use....we
have storms with 70 mph straight line winds that shred gennies right

off
the
furler if they're not tied up....those are just plain dumb people...


According to the weather service, Katy, those you were referring to were
roughly 100mph straight line winds. Our ketch was heeled 45 degrees

over in
her slip under bare poles.

Max


Damn...Must be a nimble Ketch. At 110 knots we get a 10-15 degree heel

max.


It wasn't particularly *Nimble*, rather a Far East Yachts Mariner 31 ketch.
It drew 3'11", and with heavy spruce spars she was quite tender. In a beam
seaway she'd roll enough to make an astronaut ill.

Max



Horvath August 18th 04 05:30 AM

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:50:04 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote this crap:



Our trip to NC this past December was my first actual experience with
southerners. Apart from all the transplanted New Yorkers they were far and
away the friendliest, kindest, most accommodating people I've ever
encountered. For example, we stopped at a convenience store/gas station in
Bayboro for my wife to buy a bottle of Lipton tea. The girl behind the
counter apologized repeatedly for not having any, and actually offered to
brew some up next door at her house. Never had that experience before.



How much was she charging?






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK August 18th 04 12:12 PM

Maxprop wrote:
Our trip to NC this past December was my first actual experience with
southerners. Apart from all the transplanted New Yorkers they were far and
away the friendliest, kindest, most accommodating people I've ever
encountered. For example, we stopped at a convenience store/gas station in
Bayboro for my wife to buy a bottle of Lipton tea. The girl behind the
counter apologized repeatedly for not having any, and actually offered to
brew some up next door at her house. Never had that experience before.


I'm impressed that you knew you were in Bayboro. That place hasn't
changed much, except for the increased thru traffic. Most outsiders
driving between New Bern and Oriental see the intervening distance as 35
miles of partially paved swamp.

BTW you went right by our boat. Should have stopped in.

Funny you should mention New York. It's been really wierd the last few
times I've gone there, people have been friendly and helpful (although
why do they have those gawd-awful accents?). Makes me suspicious!

DSK


DSK August 18th 04 12:15 PM

katysails wrote:
Waffle Houses are great...exce[t for the cholesterol....


??? What's the problem with cholesterol, just because some people can't
handle it, doesn't mean it should be outlawed for everybody!


.... and are there really people that drink unsweet tea????yech.....


Agreed.

DSK


Lady Pilot August 18th 04 02:37 PM


"katysails" wrote:

....and are there really
people that drink unsweet tea????yech.....


It's a regional thing, Katy. In the midwest when you ask for iced tea, it
automatically comes unsweetned. When I roamed the eastern parts of the
country (like Georgia), the tea is pre-sweetned.

Another interesting thing about different regions, is when you ask for a hot
dog with "everything on it" in Georgia, etc. it comes with cole slaw! I had
never heard of putting slaw on a hot dog until that experience.

LP



gonefishiing August 18th 04 04:01 PM

rudeness
nah
it ain't what its about--
and if that is all you ever encountered then the only thing you did here was
to be a tourist in all the tourist places or simply have not understood nyc
yeah-welcome to nyc
you haven't been here yet.

i've lived in both and both have their points --just different
aint good or bad

oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

its ok: stay "down" the if you don't like the city, we don't need ya.

gf.



"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:50:04 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

Our trip to NC this past December was my first actual experience with
southerners. Apart from all the transplanted New Yorkers they were far

and
away the friendliest, kindest, most accommodating people I've ever
encountered.


This may be an area where perceptions are changing. A month or so ago I
spoke to a client from Texas who had just come back from a few days in New
York. He commented on how friendly and helpful he found New Yorkers on

this
trip. This is a guy who has been to the City many times over the years. He
felt that at this point New Yorkers' reputations for rudeness was no

longer
deserved.

Not sure I agree with him, but there you have it FWIW.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

"Michael Moore...may win an Oscar for the kind of work that got Stephen
Glass, Jayson Blair, and Jack Kelly fired"--NPR's Scott Simon




DSK August 18th 04 04:09 PM

gonefishiing wrote:
rudeness
nah
it ain't what its about--
and if that is all you ever encountered then the only thing you did here was
to be a tourist in all the tourist places or simply have not understood nyc
yeah-welcome to nyc
you haven't been here yet.


There is not enough money in the world to get me to live long-term in
Noo Yawk Sitty. OTOH I have stayed there a few months at a time on
several occasions, working and playing tourist.


oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.


Really?

Last time I looked, there were bigger skinhead groups in the major metro
areas (definitely including NYC which has several KKK chapters) than in
rural areas.

its ok: stay "down" the if you don't like the city, we don't need ya.


Last time I was there, I noticed a tremendous lack of productive
farmland in downtown Noo Yawk. What do ya'll eat that isn't brought in
from elsewhere? And where does your drinking water come from?

"Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern
America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities
they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are
completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats cannot be
made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it."
--P. J. O'Rourke

OTOH it seems that a lot of New Yorkers have pulled their heads out of
their orifices and noticed that there is something worthwhile about the
rest of the world, and the people too. They seem to be making an
impression, too.

DSK


Scott Vernon August 20th 04 09:09 AM


"katysails" wrote in message
...

Dunno about truck stops, but most Waffle Houses do!

DSK

Waffle Houses are great...exce[t for the cholesterol....and are

there really
people that drink unsweet tea????yech.....


some people order unsweetened so they can add their own sugar /
Sweet-n-low / Splenda / Equal. Some places down south over sweeten
their tea,

Scotty



Scott Vernon August 20th 04 09:14 AM

"gonefishiing" wrote

its ok: stay "down" the if you don't like the city, we don't need

ya.

yeah, they grow their own tobacco and cotton in NYC. Among other
things.

SV



Scott Vernon August 20th 04 09:16 AM


"DSK" wrote

oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.


Really?



hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.

SV



Scott Vernon August 20th 04 09:18 AM

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400, "gonefishiing"

said:

rudeness
nah
it ain't what its about--
and if that is all you ever encountered then the only thing you did

here was
to be a tourist in all the tourist places or simply have not

understood nyc
yeah-welcome to nyc
you haven't been here yet.


Actually, I've lived here for 33 years.



How many years can you get out of a refrigerator box?

SV



DSK August 20th 04 11:22 AM

oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.


I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK


DSK August 20th 04 11:27 AM

Scott Vernon wrote:
some people order unsweetened so they can add their own sugar /
Sweet-n-low / Splenda / Equal.



All those artificial sweeteners taste like chemicals to me. Sugar or
Karo syrup are where it's at.


... Some places down south over sweeten
their tea


It's not possible to over sweeten tea.
Do I have to explain it? Sugar must be added to tea while it's hot from
brewing, so that it will dissolve more sugar than when cold, and not be
cloudy when chilled.

It is not possible to add sugar to iced tea and turn it into sweet tea.

I have not explained this to anyone in years, having given up long ago.
If you have to have it explained, then you are not a Southerner. BTW my
wife makes excellent tea and she is originally from New Jersey, so
there's hope for anybody.

Regards
Doug King


catherine haight August 20th 04 12:10 PM

When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.


Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.


I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK




DSK August 20th 04 12:38 PM

catherine haight wrote:
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we were
appalled....that was in 1962.....


That's one of the things that has changed for the better.

When I was a kid there were segregated restrooms and water fountains...
seperate but not hardly equal.

I don't think it's necessarily a Southern thing though. When I visited
cousins up North in the same era many kids gathered rocks in the school
parking lot of the bus ride home, to throw out the school bus windows at
black people or their cars. They thought it was funny.

Sorry to make such a downer poste. I'm going to browse some sailing
websites to cheer up.

DSK


gonefishiing August 20th 04 04:27 PM

depends how often the sanitation guys come by to clean up.
sometimes decades
gf.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400, "gonefishiing"

said:

rudeness
nah
it ain't what its about--
and if that is all you ever encountered then the only thing you did

here was
to be a tourist in all the tourist places or simply have not

understood nyc
yeah-welcome to nyc
you haven't been here yet.


Actually, I've lived here for 33 years.



How many years can you get out of a refrigerator box?

SV





Michael August 20th 04 11:15 PM

You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana, Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants for the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

.......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go ...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.


Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.


I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK






catherine haight August 21st 04 02:01 AM

We have Perkins up here, too. Filthy place...almost as bad as
Denny's....I'll take a Waffle House anyday...
"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana, Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants for

the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go ...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days

before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the

car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK








Scout August 21st 04 11:54 AM

I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana, Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants for

the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go ...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days

before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the

car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK








katysails August 21st 04 02:28 PM

We have Cracker Barrels in Michigan...but we have real Michigan maple syrup
which isn't distilled acid rain like Vermont's....

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana, Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants for

the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go ...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days

before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix the

car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we

were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of

it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK










Scout August 21st 04 02:34 PM

You can't get the good stuff up there?
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
We have Cracker Barrels in Michigan...but we have real Michigan maple

syrup
which isn't distilled acid rain like Vermont's....

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana,

Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants

for
the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go ...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the days

before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix

the
car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we

were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun of

it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK












katysails August 21st 04 02:40 PM

Why would you import someone else's produce when you're a leading
agricultural state (although some places do, but Michigan stuff is better
and cheaper) It would be like eating Washington apples or Maine
potatoes...Michigan is a leader in both industries...also, why would a
Michigander eat cane sugar when we grow sugar beets? BTW, real maple syrup
is real maple syrup and there is no distinction between Vermont syrup or
Michigan syrup. Where there is a distinction is when you tap maple trees
that don't get enough cold/warm nights/days...like Indiana, for
example...the sap doesn't have the sugar content necessary to make really
good syrup. We tapped once...it is a lot of work and boiling the stuff down
without the equipment (a still type thing is a tedious process, and since
there is a sugar bush farm around the corner, I just buy it from them.
"Scout" wrote in message
...
You can't get the good stuff up there?
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
We have Cracker Barrels in Michigan...but we have real Michigan maple

syrup
which isn't distilled acid rain like Vermont's....

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had

real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana,

Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins Restaurants

for
the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go

....

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the

days
before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to fix

the
car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the week....we

were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun

of
it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK














Scout August 21st 04 02:48 PM

I couldn't say; are there any imported cars on your street?
Scout

"katysails" wrote
Why would you import someone else's produce when you're a leading
agricultural state (although some places do, but Michigan stuff is better
and cheaper) It would be like eating Washington apples or Maine
potatoes...Michigan is a leader in both industries...also, why would a
Michigander eat cane sugar when we grow sugar beets? BTW, real maple

syrup
is real maple syrup and there is no distinction between Vermont syrup or
Michigan syrup. Where there is a distinction is when you tap maple trees
that don't get enough cold/warm nights/days...like Indiana, for
example...the sap doesn't have the sugar content necessary to make really
good syrup. We tapped once...it is a lot of work and boiling the stuff

down
without the equipment (a still type thing is a tedious process, and since
there is a sugar bush farm around the corner, I just buy it from them.
"Scout" wrote in message
...
You can't get the good stuff up there?
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
We have Cracker Barrels in Michigan...but we have real Michigan maple

syrup
which isn't distilled acid rain like Vermont's....

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in

South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had

real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
You'll no doubt be happy to know I just drove through Lousiana,

Alabama,
Mississippi, Florida, Georgia and now S. Carolina with nary a

single
lynching. Although I would cheerfully nominate Perkins

Restaurants
for
the
dishonor and tie the know myself.

......of course there's still N.Carolina and Virginia yet to go

...

M.


"catherine haight" wrote in message
...
When I was 10 (a million years ago) we drove to Florida in the

days
before
e-ways and had car trouble in GA....we couldn't get anyone to

fix
the
car
until after the lynching...was the entertainment of the

week....we
were
appalled....that was in 1962.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
oh yeah: we don't lynch people here.

Scott Vernon wrote:
hah, but the cops stick night sticks up your ass for the fun

of
it.

I don't see any fun in that.

Makes beer and squirty cheese seem high-brow by comparison.

DSK
















Horvath August 21st 04 02:59 PM

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:54:51 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.



Don't they have any Hooters there?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scout August 21st 04 03:20 PM

I'd never been there before. I though it meant the waitresses wore the
barrels.
Scout

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:54:51 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.



Don't they have any Hooters there?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Capt. Mooron August 21st 04 03:38 PM


"katysails" wrote in message
| We tapped once...it is a lot of work and boiling the stuff down
| without the equipment (a still type thing is a tedious process, and since
| there is a sugar bush farm around the corner, I just buy it from them.

Have you tried the freezing method of rendering the syrup?? Works like a
charm and reduces the remaining stove time to a 1/4 of what it normally
takes. It's just a matter of freezing the raw syrup and removing the ice.
The syrup itself does not freeze as quickly so you reduce the water content
by a major factor. The result is the same.

CM



gonefishiing August 21st 04 03:58 PM

in case you haven't noticed: hooters are everywhere.
of course, some are better than others.
but they're all good.

gf.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...

Don't they have any Hooters there?





gonefishiing August 21st 04 03:59 PM

yes but do they serve squirty cheese?
gf.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I have to go with Cracker Barrel when I'm down South. We were in South
Carolina a few weeks ago and had a great breakfast at CB. They had real
Vermont syrup. God bless America.
Scout






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