"gonefishiing" wrote
what would you have done differently?

Stayed in America?

takes--this is all a big help.
much to consider.
gf.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
If you are really truly looking for the best dog for you, then speak with
a
local obedience trainer about what suits your lifestyle...and then use
them
after you get the puppy. Or speak to your vet. And don't discount the
rescue breed chapters for a suitable adult dog...there are acres of books
on
the subject. The best books on training puppies are put out by the monks
of
New Skete in New York, They breed German Shepards in particular but there
books are aimed toward the generic. And if the dog is going to be left on
its' own, make sure you crate train.

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another good idea
thanks
gf.


Volunteer together at the local animal shelter. She'll get a chance to
spend time with (and help) puppies & kittens and also learn something
about responsibility.

i should have added: there are a number of shelters here that do great work
and i would most likely support one fo them in this effort.
thanks once more.
gf.

gonefishiing wrote:
i should have added: there are a number of shelters here that do great work
and i would most likely support one fo them in this effort.

Me too. I hope it works out for you both.

The downside is that your daughter will see first hand some of how awful
& cruel people can be. It may make a cynic of her.

However IMHO it's better to know reality and try to retain one's ideals
in spite of it all, rather than to labor under delusions and ignorance
while pretending everything is just peachy. And the animals do need the
help!

DSK

katysails wrote:
....The best books on training puppies are put out by the monks of
New Skete in New York

I second that recommendation. For a hands-on dog training book, they're
the best. I've also read several of Stanley Coren's books, he is rather
interesting.

DSK

Yup, most of the dogs at those shelters were left there by 'part time
dads', who, buy their 'part time daughter' everything they whine for .
After a few weeks the teenager is attracted to another 'fad' and the
dog is neglected . Because the 'part time dad' is too busy working to
pay for all the stuff the whining teen asks for he drops it off at the
shelter and buys another 'present' .

SV


"DSK" wrote in message
...
gonefishiing wrote:
i should have added: there are a number of shelters here that do
great work
and i would most likely support one fo them in this effort.

Me too. I hope it works out for you both.

The downside is that your daughter will see first hand some of how
awful
& cruel people can be. It may make a cynic of her.

However IMHO it's better to know reality and try to retain one's
ideals
in spite of it all, rather than to labor under delusions and
ignorance
while pretending everything is just peachy. And the animals do need
the
help!

DSK

actually that sounds like sailing
and agree.
she already has reality as her experience and does fine with it.
in fact she's the best helmsman ever been aboard.
but that's another story...............................
i have at least till the end of the month to decide the next discussion, as
she is traveling at the moment.
part of my reality.
thanks.

gf.


"DSK" wrote in message
...
However IMHO it's better to know reality and try to retain one's ideals
in spite of it all, rather than to labor under delusions and ignorance
while pretending everything is just peachy. And the animals do need the
help!

DSK

sound a bit bitter there scott, with a too many assumptions in the mix.
gf.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yup, most of the dogs at those shelters were left there by 'part time
dads', who, buy their 'part time daughter' everything they whine for .
After a few weeks the teenager is attracted to another 'fad' and the
dog is neglected . Because the 'part time dad' is too busy working to
pay for all the stuff the whining teen asks for he drops it off at the
shelter and buys another 'present' .

SV


"DSK" wrote in message
...
gonefishiing wrote:
i should have added: there are a number of shelters here that do
great work
and i would most likely support one fo them in this effort.

Me too. I hope it works out for you both.

The downside is that your daughter will see first hand some of how
awful
& cruel people can be. It may make a cynic of her.

However IMHO it's better to know reality and try to retain one's
ideals
in spite of it all, rather than to labor under delusions and
ignorance
while pretending everything is just peachy. And the animals do need
the
help!

DSK

it's a generalization, but I've seen it happen all too often.
Are you Italian?

Scotty

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
sound a bit bitter there scott, with a too many assumptions in the
mix.
gf.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yup, most of the dogs at those shelters were left there by 'part
time
dads', who, buy their 'part time daughter' everything they whine
for .
After a few weeks the teenager is attracted to another 'fad' and
the
dog is neglected . Because the 'part time dad' is too busy working
to
pay for all the stuff the whining teen asks for he drops it off at
the
shelter and buys another 'present' .

SV


"DSK" wrote in message
...
gonefishiing wrote:
i should have added: there are a number of shelters here that
do
great work
and i would most likely support one fo them in this effort.

Me too. I hope it works out for you both.

The downside is that your daughter will see first hand some of
how
awful
& cruel people can be. It may make a cynic of her.

However IMHO it's better to know reality and try to retain one's
ideals
in spite of it all, rather than to labor under delusions and
ignorance
while pretending everything is just peachy. And the animals do
need
the
help!

DSK

Subject: night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 08/15/2004 22:21 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I agree, but I don't think I'd want to try and argue if the CG determines
it was on. How do I prove it wasn't being used to propel the boat?


G Let's carry this a step further. You have a sailboat with an engine fitted,
that is not running, and you have a collision.
How do you prove that it was not running and being used for propulsion?
I think (and here we'd need a Maritime Lawyer's input) it would be on the
shoulders of the CG (or whomever) to prove you were using the engine to propel
the boat.

Shen

ubject: night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "katysails"
Date: 08/16/2004 03:33 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Now, having said that, have a collision ..... was your engine running? Was
it
immediately available for use? Could it's use have changed the outcome?
Should
you have made use of it?....

I would imagine the same rule should apply as the reefing rule....if you
think maybe, then do it or it will be too late....
--
katysails

Good advice. The way I put it ... "If you start wondering if you should
possibly be doing something, you probably should have all ready done it."

Shen

Subject: Katysails/Dogs was night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "gonefishiing"
Date: 08/15/2004 22:04 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

i'll rephrase it
she would like a dog
no disaster
basically need to come to terms with caring for it when she is not here.
i'll make that decision first
space is not a problem
in the meantime considering what breeds to think about.

protective
not small, not too big
good temperment around kids / visitors
lab
retriever
sheperd
akita
wolve
?

You definetly wouldn't want one of mine (English Mastiff) Don't be afraid to
look at a "Mutt"

G I wouldn't have to because I wouldn't get in a collision to
begin with because I'd hail them and find out their intentions.
Then, of course, just before the collision if you insist that there
must be one, I would run below, disconnect the fuel line, and
claim that I tried to start the engine but it wouldn't happen,
so I tried everything in my power to avoid. The best defense
is a good offense.

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"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Subject: night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 08/15/2004 22:21 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I agree, but I don't think I'd want to try and argue if the CG determines
it was on. How do I prove it wasn't being used to propel the boat?


G Let's carry this a step further. You have a sailboat with an engine
fitted,
that is not running, and you have a collision.
How do you prove that it was not running and being used for propulsion?
I think (and here we'd need a Maritime Lawyer's input) it would be on the
shoulders of the CG (or whomever) to prove you were using the engine to
propel
the boat.

Shen

I think you would get a lot of argument from a coastie on this. It would
be interesting to hear what they say about it. If I have time, I'll give
them a call... no promises, I'm kinda busy these days and it's a long
distance call.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The rules don't talk about "engines," they talk about "propelling
machinery."
My engine is always "used" because if I didn't have it, there would be a
big
hole in my boat. That doesn't mean its propelling. I can also use it as
a hot
water heater - that doesn't mean its propelling.




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Not according to the rules as I read them. If it's being used,
then the steaming light needs to be on. How does anyone
else on the water know you're just charging your bats?

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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
the engine was idle and not in gear.
no steaming light required.
gf.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Hey, umm... if the engine was started then you're a motorboat.
You have no status at that point, certainly not above a tug/tow.
I hope you were running your steaming light. Otherwise, you
could be cited.

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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
agreed: for the sake of safety, i always stay away from bigger
vessels
and
did so on this sail as well, until the tug/barge (TUB) changed
course
for
the
final time. i was certain i was ok with both vessels until the
barge
circled
around and was pointing at me again leaving me no evasive action
to
take.

neither vessel produced any indication of warning that i was in
the
way
(lights / horn)

agreed again: i realize i should have hailed them on the radio and
asked
for
they're intentions long before events became close.
definitely mistake no.1.
Sometimes i do this, sometimes i don't. it has always been a
simple
assesment of whether i believe i will be out of the way. and i did
believe
this.
monitoring channel 13 for security calls is also something that i
usually
do
at night.
this night i did not.

the engine was started and idling by in case i needed it.
in regards to avoiding a collision, given the speed differentials
of
the
vessels, i don't believe the engine would have made any difference
in
this
situation.
in regards to the regs: it would have converted me to a vessel
under
power
and i think (?) changed my status to some extent in relation to
the 2
other
vessels. not that my decision was based on that or that it really
does
not
matter once fiberglass contacts steel.
the point being i was making good speed in good wind.

given that the tug/barge changed course twice: was he obligated to
give
way?
or is this a "fluid" problem that needs to be constantly
reassessed?--which
means always stay out of his way no matter what courses he
chooses?
felt like a cat and mouse sort of thing.

as a technical point: their seems to be a difference between an
inablitiy
to
maneuver because of draft, in a particular direction--versus the
general
maneuverablity of a vessel because of length/speed/wieght.
i am not sure these 2 issues are connected by the regs.
as i understand it, constrained by draft is designed to prevent a
vessel
from running aground.
in this regard there was no danger to the freighter who had plenty
of
room
to the south, which was his general route.
the tub could not turn towards the north to cross in front of me
because
of
draft and speed issues, and he could not turn south because of the
freighter, which left him pointed at me.

my guess is not i or the freighter anticipated a circling tub.





"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Not knowing the area, I have a couple of comments.

I'm not sure you were stand on, given that if there is
any doubt about draft constraint. Also, a tug and
a barge have status in most cases, but again, I don't
know the area.

Also, why not hail them and ask their intentions?

Finally, while sailing does give you stand on status
in many circumstances, it also limits your ability to
take evasive action. Perhaps it would have been
prudent to start the engine?

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"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
out for a late night sail last week, which i do a lot of.
western edge of long island sound, ny
on a port tack heading southwest towards the throgs neck
bridge.
slack tide.
particulary dark night.
full main and jib set
15 knots wind

keeping a vigilant eye out for ships, i spot a black form
against
the
lights
of the city in front of me and realize it is a tug and barge
and i
also
realize (in the absence of visible nav lights) his small
profile
means
he
is
headed right at me and steaming.

i decide to tack the boat around 180 degrees and give him some
room........assuming (correctly) his course has 2
possiblities--he
is
going
to continue eastbound in the sound or he is going to turn
north
towards
eastchester bay to anchor his barge (partial mistake no.1?).
he
turns
northeast towards the barge anchorage, paralleling my course
and i
am
east
of him and the barge anchorage- out of his way.

towards the east i spot another ship (freighter) steaming
westbound
for
the
gate. he is north of the lane that most of the commerical
ships
take
for
the
bridge. and a quick visual calculation tells me i can cross
his
bow
without
problem and also because he needs to turn behind my stern to
set
his
course
for the bridge (and soon!) (partial mistake no.2?)

they are both aware that i am here-- million candle power
lights
illuminating sails had a way of doing that. (my light)

1: the freighter, westbound, is not turning although i have
crossed
his
bow--only slightly and he'll end up passing beyond me, far too
close
and
moving fast.
2: the tug/barge decides to steer a circle around the barge
anchorage
and
end up eastbound again --off my port beam and close enough
that i
can
see
the pilot. he has slowed down significantly at this point as i
am
now
between both vessels. (on a starboard tack)

3: they both passed "safely" at my stern, to the south of me
the
freigher
first, the tug next.

this was really too close for comfort, and i had my hands full
sailing.
not to negate my responsiblity, i think constrained by draft
here
is
a
relative term, if it even applies. they each had a mile of
room to
the
south
(behind me) to manuveur and cannot understand why they would
choose
to
approach so closely, as my actions were clear, my course was
appropriate
and
consistent and meant to give each a wide berth

and for whatever it may be worth, i think everyone took the
correct
actions
i believe i was the stand on vessel
the freighter was 2nd in pecking order
the tug/barge gave way

what would you have done differently?

gf.

Subject: night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 08/16/2004 10:31 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

G I wouldn't have to because I wouldn't get in a collision to
begin with because I'd hail them and find out their intentions.
Then, of course, just before the collision if you insist that there
must be one, I would run below, disconnect the fuel line, and
claim that I tried to start the engine but it wouldn't happen,
so I tried everything in my power to avoid. The best defense
is a good offense.


G Ahhhh, but you had the collision. Now it becomes a question of apportioning
blame, and since you had the collision, you goofed at some point in the
process.
Naturally, if you can communicate and everyone understands each others
intentions, more often than not the collision will be avoided.
It's not a "pure" process, however.

Shen

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:26:22 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for. You
should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking about you.


I think you mean channel 16.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:26:22 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:


What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for. You
should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking about you.



I think you mean channel 16.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Bet he responds in the negative

"katysails" wrote in message


None of these, if you get a puppy...labs and retrievers need two years to
wind down and if there is going to be a lack of attention 50% of the time,
then they're out...the other three are not for people with limited dog
experience...they are smart breeds and if left to their own devise, become
assertive and dominant and you'll have problems. Corgis, Shetland
sheepdog,
some of the larger terrier breeds (not a Jack Russell, too labor intense)
would be better. They incorporate protectiveness and watchfulness with
loyalty and enough smarts to get by and be good pets. BTW, Akitas are
generally one-person dogs....and are quite a handful...any type of
domesticated wolf is a major problem...

How about Clumber Spaniels or Bassett Hounds? Both are fairly sedentary
breeds, no?

Some people in our subdivision have a PBGV (Petit Bassett Griffon
Vendean--spelling may be wrong) and it has to be the calmest dog I've ever
seen. Sits, comes when called, heels beautifully, and doesn't get his
hackles up when our poodle challenges it to play. Know anything about 'em?

Max

No you idiot. He means 13.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:26:22 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for.
You
should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking
about you.


I think you mean channel 16.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Max wrote:
How about Clumber Spaniels or Bassett Hounds?

Drool and heavy vet expenses because of allergies and skin problems but both
sweet breeds...

Both are fairly sedentary
breeds, no?

true....lumbering oafy dogs...but cute

Some people in our subdivision have a PBGV (Petit Bassett Griffon
Vendean--spelling may be wrong) and it has to be the calmest dog I've ever
seen. Sits, comes when called, heels beautifully, and doesn't get his
hackles up when our poodle challenges it to play. Know anything about 'em?

Yep...the leading breeder in Michigan lives right behind us...they have
PBGV's and afghan hounds....the PBGV's are really cute but REALLY
expensive...REALLY as in a pet quality puppy is over 1K.....
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



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The idiot backs up to moor off.... what can you expect from this dunce....
at least he's got one brain cell... which is one more than Loco!

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| No you idiot. He means 13.
|
| --
| "j" ganz @@
| www.sailnow.com
|
| "Horvath" wrote in message
| ...
| On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:26:22 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
| wrote this crap:
|
| What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for.
| You
| should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking
| about you.
|
|
| I think you mean channel 16.
|
|
|
|
|
| Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!
|
|

apologies for not getting back to your post
swamped with work

I understand the point about labs/retrievers
also understand the need to match the breed with a "lifestyle" so to speak.
akitas seem too demanding a breed and perhaps too agressive.

which brings me to the current possiblities:
sheperd is still on the list.
shetland is one i had not thought of.
and terriers are what my daughter is leaning towards, i don't know enough
yet to say either way.

--starting to get the picture of what to think about.

still the question if i can spare the time is primary and will not pursue
anything until i can answer this
work is in a state of transition and may make the reality of this more
attainable

your knowledge and insight is appreciated
thanks

gf.






"katysails" wrote in message
...

protective
not small, not too big
good temperament around kids / visitors
lab
retriever
shepherd
akita
wolve

None of these, if you get a puppy...labs and retrievers need two years to
wind down and if there is going to be a lack of attention 50% of the time,
then they're out...the other three are not for people with limited dog
experience...they are smart breeds and if left to their own devise, become
assertive and dominant and you'll have problems. Corgis, Shetland
sheepdog,
some of the larger terrier breeds (not a Jack Russell, too labor intense)
would be better. They incorporate protectiveness and watchfulness with
loyalty and enough smarts to get by and be good pets. BTW, Akitas are
generally one-person dogs....and are quite a handful...any type of
domesticated wolf is a major problem...
--
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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



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You're way too serious Mr. Poodle.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:31:00 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Then, of course, just before the collision if you insist that there
must be one, I would run below, disconnect the fuel line, and
claim that I tried to start the engine but it wouldn't happen,
so I tried everything in my power to avoid. The best defense
is a good offense.

You mean the best defense is a lie? Why am I not surprised.

Irish Wolfhound???? :-)

That's not a Dawg... this is a DOG!

CM

"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
| apologies for not getting back to your post
| swamped with work
|
| I understand the point about labs/retrievers
| also understand the need to match the breed with a "lifestyle" so to
speak.
| akitas seem too demanding a breed and perhaps too agressive.
|
| which brings me to the current possiblities:
| sheperd is still on the list.
| shetland is one i had not thought of.
| and terriers are what my daughter is leaning towards, i don't know enough
| yet to say either way.
|
| --starting to get the picture of what to think about.
|
| still the question if i can spare the time is primary and will not pursue
| anything until i can answer this
| work is in a state of transition and may make the reality of this more
| attainable
|
| your knowledge and insight is appreciated
| thanks
|
| gf.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "katysails" wrote in message
| ...
|
| protective
| not small, not too big
| good temperament around kids / visitors
| lab
| retriever
| shepherd
| akita
| wolve
|
| None of these, if you get a puppy...labs and retrievers need two years
to
| wind down and if there is going to be a lack of attention 50% of the
time,
| then they're out...the other three are not for people with limited dog
| experience...they are smart breeds and if left to their own devise,
become
| assertive and dominant and you'll have problems. Corgis, Shetland
| sheepdog,
| some of the larger terrier breeds (not a Jack Russell, too labor
intense)
| would be better. They incorporate protectiveness and watchfulness with
| loyalty and enough smarts to get by and be good pets. BTW, Akitas are
| generally one-person dogs....and are quite a handful...any type of
| domesticated wolf is a major problem...
| --
| katysails
| s/v Chanteuse
| Kirie Elite 32
| http://katysails.tripod.com
|
| "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
| and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:16:29 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

The idiot backs up to moor off.... what can you expect from this dunce....
at least he's got one brain cell... which is one more than Loco!

CM
|
| What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for.
| You
| should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking
| about you.
|
|
| I think you mean channel 16.




Maintaining a Watch on Channel 16
All vessels must guard, maintain a watch on, and listen to Channel 16.


Channel 16 is a calling and emergency channel. DO NOT HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS CHANNEL. The only exception is the Coast Guard
when working a MAYDAY.

Channel 16 is very busy, so don't use it unless there is an emergency.
ALWAYS listen before you key your microphone. After you are sure
you're not going to "step" on anyone, you can make your call. Do not
blow into the mic., just make your call. Your initial call to a boat
cannot exceed 30 seconds.



http://www.sailnow.com/sail/vhf.html








Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"katysails" wrote in message

Max wrote:

Some people in our subdivision have a PBGV (Petit Bassett Griffon
Vendean--spelling may be wrong) and it has to be the calmest dog I've ever
seen. Sits, comes when called, heels beautifully, and doesn't get his
hackles up when our poodle challenges it to play. Know anything about
'em?

Yep...the leading breeder in Michigan lives right behind us...they have
PBGV's and afghan hounds....the PBGV's are really cute but REALLY
expensive...REALLY as in a pet quality puppy is over 1K.....

Ouch. I know our neighbors paid about that for this dog, and they claim it
isn't a show-quality animal. What the hell, it's really a super dog. I
love it and would love to have one, but I'd rather have a new color graphic
GPS more.

Max

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Irish Wolfhound???? :-)

That's not a Dawg... this is a DOG!

Amen. They eat about 50lbs. of dogfood per week and have an avg. life
expectancy of 6 years.

Max

Scotty,
generalization my ass
what the f@#k kind of comment is that?

haw bout this?
bring ya big truck up here
we take care of it fo ya.
just park it on the Cross Bronx, the LIE, the Major Deagan
**** i don't care park it anywhere ya want
just park that smelly cow hauling piece if junk
yeah come to ny--i don't need no italians to help me
i take care it myself.
i be there

right now i'm busy wit a nice white girl so don't bother me

i've lived and traveled in a lot of places in the world and it never ceases
to amaze me
that there are blind assholes waving american flags and they don't have a
clue what it means.

come to NYC, i'd like to meet an american redneck again.
just to ****ing show my friends that you really exist ya understand
sincerely
gf.

**** at least ganz is funny compared to this asshole.
and i have a funny feeling he won't show.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
it's a generalization, but I've seen it happen all too often.
Are you Italian?

Scotty

So Horvath...what good would being on Channel 16 have done him? The
commercial traffic channel is 13...or maybe you think the CG was out there
with super cameras reporting freighter positions?

--
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s/v Chanteuse
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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
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Amen. They eat about 50lbs. of dogfood per week and have an avg. life
expectancy of 6 years.

Max

Not to mention the 50 lbs of dog pop....and hip dysphasia....and tons of
hair.....
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VHF Channel 13 is designated as the navigational bridge-to-bridge
communications channel for US, Canadian,and International VHF radios.
krj

Horvath wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:16:29 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:


The idiot backs up to moor off.... what can you expect from this dunce....
at least he's got one brain cell... which is one more than Loco!

CM
|
| What to do differently? Hail them on the radio - that's what its for.
| You
| should at least have been monitoring 13 - they were probably talking
| about you.
|
|
| I think you mean channel 16.





Maintaining a Watch on Channel 16
All vessels must guard, maintain a watch on, and listen to Channel 16.


Channel 16 is a calling and emergency channel. DO NOT HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS CHANNEL. The only exception is the Coast Guard
when working a MAYDAY.

Channel 16 is very busy, so don't use it unless there is an emergency.
ALWAYS listen before you key your microphone. After you are sure
you're not going to "step" on anyone, you can make your call. Do not
blow into the mic., just make your call. Your initial call to a boat
cannot exceed 30 seconds.



http://www.sailnow.com/sail/vhf.html








Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

sound a bit bitter there gf, with a too many stereotypes in the mix.

SV


"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
generalization my ass
what the f@#k kind of comment is that?

haw bout this?
bring ya big truck up here
we take care of it fo ya.
just park it on the Cross Bronx, the LIE, the Major Deagan
**** i don't care park it anywhere ya want
just park that smelly cow hauling piece if junk
yeah come to ny--i don't need no italians to help me
i take care it myself.
i be there

right now i'm busy wit a nice white girl so don't bother me

i've lived and traveled in a lot of places in the world and it never
ceases
to amaze me
that there are blind assholes waving american flags and they don't
have a
clue what it means.

come to NYC, i'd like to meet an american redneck again.
just to ****ing show my friends that you really exist ya understand
sincerely
gf.

**** at least ganz is funny compared to this asshole.
and i have a funny feeling he won't show.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
it's a generalization, but I've seen it happen all too often.
Are you Italian?

Scotty

"gonefishiing" wrote ...
Scotty,
generalization my ass
what the f@#k kind of comment is that?

a general one.


haw bout this?
bring ya big truck up here
we take care of it fo ya.
just park it on the Cross Bronx, the LIE, the Major Deagan
**** i don't care park it anywhere ya want


according to another asshole from NYC, you can't park a truck in NYC.




i've lived in a lot of trailer parks in the world and it never
ceases
to amaze me

that water runs downhill?




come to NYC,

been there, many times. It sucks, it's dirty, noisy, smelly, too
crowded, ****ty, over priced, crappy, and full of assholes.


So? Are you Italian?


Scotty


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
it's a generalization, but I've seen it happen all too often.
Are you Italian?

Scotty

OzOne wrote:


IDIOT!!!
"You should also be aware that tankers don't necessarily monitor
Channel 16. They DO monitor Channel 13, however."

From the reference you quoted dum dum!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Actually, they're required to monitor both.
Having said that, if you are in an area that employs a VTS, they may be
mainly concentrating on the channel for that service (14, 12 come to
mind) or if a pilot is aboard, he may have the "concentration" set on
his working channel.
Basically, at sea, figure on 16/13. In Coastal, harbor, VTS, areas, you
will need to know the working channels being used for the area although
16/13 should still be monitored.

otn

Subject: Katysails/Dogs was night sailing - too close for comfort.
From: "Maxprop"
Date: 08/16/2004 21:48 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Irish Wolfhound???? :-)

That's not a Dawg... this is a DOG!

Amen. They eat about 50lbs. of dogfood per week and have an avg. life
expectancy of 6 years.

Max


If they're eating 50lbs/wk, they are probably one fat Wolfhound unless they are
being "worked".
Eng Mastiff = 50lbs/month and thems the biggest .... course, they're also the
biggest "couch potatoes".

Shen

"gonefishiing" wrote in message ...

which brings me to the current possiblities:
sheperd is still on the list.
shetland is one i had not thought of.
and terriers are what my daughter is leaning towards, i don't know enough
yet to say either way.

--starting to get the picture of what to think about.

I had over the years a wolf, pug, ****zu, great dane, kesheen, pit.
Now I have the best dog I've ever had a... Schipperke.

He is the smartest, most loyal dog Ive ever had. He is perfect for
living aboard. He loves to swim(jumps over all the time without
warning on the Dink) hates rats with passion, is very protective of
the boat and who comes aboard. Can hear and notice if anyone steps
aboard or walks on my dock. Pointy ears that do not need cropping and
dry easy to prevent ear infections. When I go to sleep he lays next to
me and I have nothing to worry about someone sneaking aboard. He can
get on and off the boat himself. He is small enough to not get in the
way, yet big and strong enough to climb steps jump on and off the
bunks in and out of the cabins ect.., small enough to fit in the oven
in the worst case situation, loves kids, ect...

From what I hear... and now know.. they bond with one person for life.
He has lived on RedCloud since he was 6 weeks old.

Stories Ive heard.
Sailing ships going down and the dogs found still swimming 6 days
later.
Breed to guard the barges on the canals in europe, often riding on the
backs of the horses that pull the barges. Also use to keep sheep on
the barges, and rats off.
Used in WW 1 by the USCG to listen for submarines.
One save a child from a bear attack, gave his life in the process.


Problems:
Barks alot! Hates tires on cars! Might get him killed if he gets
loose. Hard to catch when they decide to run. Loves to chew holes in
all the pillows.

Still overall he's the best dog by far that Ive ever had. His name is
Skipper and if anyone wants to see a picture I'd be happy to send you
one.

Joe








still the question if i can spare the time is primary and will not pursue
anything until i can answer this
work is in a state of transition and may make the reality of this more
attainable

your knowledge and insight is appreciated
thanks

gf.






"katysails" wrote in message
...

protective
not small, not too big
good temperament around kids / visitors
lab
retriever
shepherd
akita
wolve

None of these, if you get a puppy...labs and retrievers need two years to
wind down and if there is going to be a lack of attention 50% of the time,
then they're out...the other three are not for people with limited dog
experience...they are smart breeds and if left to their own devise, become
assertive and dominant and you'll have problems. Corgis, Shetland
sheepdog,
some of the larger terrier breeds (not a Jack Russell, too labor intense)
would be better. They incorporate protectiveness and watchfulness with
loyalty and enough smarts to get by and be good pets. BTW, Akitas are
generally one-person dogs....and are quite a handful...any type of
domesticated wolf is a major problem...
--
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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



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WHAT A DUMMY!

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
Maintaining a Watch on Channel 16
All vessels must guard, maintain a watch on, and listen to Channel 16.

Channel 16 is a calling and emergency channel. DO NOT HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS CHANNEL. The only exception is the Coast Guard
when working a MAYDAY.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

So what is the required exception, or better put, addition to CH 16? And
when is it used?

For points apply to Bart Sr. For pints let Donal and Oz be your guide.

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
WHAT A DUMMY!

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
Maintaining a Watch on Channel 16
All vessels must guard, maintain a watch on, and listen to Channel 16.

Channel 16 is a calling and emergency channel. DO NOT HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS CHANNEL. The only exception is the Coast Guard
when working a MAYDAY.
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"gonefishiing" wrote in message ...
apologies for not getting back to your post
swamped with work

I understand the point about labs/retrievers
also understand the need to match the breed with a "lifestyle" so to speak.
akitas seem too demanding a breed and perhaps too agressive.

which brings me to the current possiblities:
sheperd is still on the list.
shetland is one i had not thought of.
and terriers are what my daughter is leaning towards, i don't know enough
yet to say either way.

I had over the years a wolf, pug, ****zu, great dane, kesheen, pit.
Now I have the best dog I've ever had a... Schipperke.

He is the smartest, most loyal dog Ive ever had. He is perfect for
living aboard. He loves to swim(jumps over all the time without
warning on the Dink) hates rats with passion, is very protective of
the boat and who comes aboard. Can hear and notice if anyone steps
aboard or walks on my dock. Pointy ears that do not need cropping and
dry easy to prevent ear infections. When I go to sleep he lays next to
me and I have nothing to worry about someone sneaking aboard. He can
get on and off the boat himself. He is small enough to not get in the
way, yet big and strong enough to climb steps jump on and off the
bunks in and out of the cabins ect.., small enough to fit in the oven
in the worst case situation, loves kids, ect...

From what I hear... and now know.. they bond with one person for life.
He has lived on RedCloud since he was 6 weeks old.

Stories Ive heard.
Sailing ships going down and the dogs found still swimming 6 days
later.
Breed to guard the barges on the canals in europe, often riding on the
backs of the horses that pull the barges. Also use to keep sheep on
the barges, and rats off.
Used in WW 1 by the USCG to listen for submarines.
One save a child from a bear attack, gave his life in the process.


Problems:
Barks alot! Hates tires on cars! Might get him killed if he gets
loose. Hard to catch when they decide to run. Loves to chew holes in
all the pillows.

Still overall he's the best dog by far that Ive ever had. His name is
Skipper and if anyone wants to see a picture I'd be happy to send you
one.

Joe







--starting to get the picture of what to think about.

still the question if i can spare the time is primary and will not pursue
anything until i can answer this
work is in a state of transition and may make the reality of this more
attainable

your knowledge and insight is appreciated
thanks

gf.






"katysails" wrote in message
...

protective
not small, not too big
good temperament around kids / visitors
lab
retriever
shepherd
akita
wolve

None of these, if you get a puppy...labs and retrievers need two years to
wind down and if there is going to be a lack of attention 50% of the time,
then they're out...the other three are not for people with limited dog
experience...they are smart breeds and if left to their own devise, become
assertive and dominant and you'll have problems. Corgis, Shetland
sheepdog,
some of the larger terrier breeds (not a Jack Russell, too labor intense)
would be better. They incorporate protectiveness and watchfulness with
loyalty and enough smarts to get by and be good pets. BTW, Akitas are
generally one-person dogs....and are quite a handful...any type of
domesticated wolf is a major problem...
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein



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