katysails wrote:

MC,

If you fo to all tht trouble of figuring things out every time you sail, do
you ever get to relax? You should have a hibernate setting on the right
side of your brain.

I think he is hibernating now, that's the best way to explain the flat
brain-waves... cranial nematodes again, maybe?


"Nav" wrote ...

Just for fun why not do a simple engineering calculation for us Doug?

Why, Navvie? Did one of your kids bring home a problem you can't help
him with?


For simplicity let's say the rig has mast without any stays.

Mast 20' vertical Boom 10' horizontal. Gooseneck 3' from base of mast
Vang attched to point 3' from goosneck. 200 lbs to be lifted.

What is the bending moment on the boom at the vang if the load is held
by the vang?
What is the shear stress on the boom the load is held by the vang?
What is the compression force of the boom at the vang attachment?

Is that mast perfectly vertical? Is the boom perfectly horizontal?


Now let me quickly solve for the topping lift case:

If a topping lift is used, the bending moment at the vang is 0.
If a topping lift is used, the shear stress is 0
If a topping lift is used, the boom compression is 200 x 10 /17 = 118

lbs.

??? The compression on the boom depends on the angle betweenthe topping
lift & the mast, thus you cannot solve the problem with the info given.
For the record, the compression on the boom would be the weight
multiplied by the cosine of the angle.

What is the maximum stress at the vang attachment point in each case?

That depends on how hard you're talking at it.

I gather that you have never heard of a "Free Body Diagram"? Freshman
engineering stuff. That is the way to solve such problems. If you don't
believe me, ask Scout.

DSK

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katysails wrote:

MC,

If you fo to all tht trouble of figuring things out every time you
sail, do
you ever get to relax? You should have a hibernate setting on the right
side of your brain.


I think he is hibernating now, that's the best way to explain the flat
brain-waves... cranial nematodes again, maybe?


Ad_hominem?


"Nav" wrote ...

Just for fun why not do a simple engineering calculation for us Doug?


Why, Navvie? Did one of your kids bring home a problem you can't help
him with?


Nope.


For simplicity let's say the rig has mast without any stays.

Mast 20' vertical Boom 10' horizontal. Gooseneck 3' from base of mast
Vang attched to point 3' from goosneck. 200 lbs to be lifted.

What is the bending moment on the boom at the vang if the load is held
by the vang?
What is the shear stress on the boom the load is held by the vang?
What is the compression force of the boom at the vang attachment?


Is that mast perfectly vertical? Is the boom perfectly horizontal?


Read the question _slowly_.


Now let me quickly solve for the topping lift case:

If a topping lift is used, the bending moment at the vang is 0.
If a topping lift is used, the shear stress is 0
If a topping lift is used, the boom compression is 200 x 10 /17 = 118


lbs.


??? The compression on the boom depends on the angle betweenthe topping
lift & the mast, thus you cannot solve the problem with the info given.

Are you sure? The geometry _is_ defined.

For the record, the compression on the boom would be the weight
multiplied by the cosine of the angle.


Are you saying it is not 118 lbs in the topping lift case? Are you sure
it's the cosine of one of the angles of the triangle -just for the record?

What is the maximum stress at the vang attachment point in each case?


That depends on how hard you're talking at it.

I gather that you have never heard of a "Free Body Diagram"? Freshman
engineering stuff. That is the way to solve such problems. If you don't
believe me, ask Scout.

But I'm not asking Scout. I'm asking _you_ to solve this freshman
problem -if you can.


Cheers

Lot's of excitement but none for you -sorry I'm taken. Losing interest
in CM are you?

Cheers

Lady Pilot wrote:

Have you ever had a girlfriend, Nav?

You are incredibly smart...but incredibly boring at the same time.

Any excitement in your life?

LP (curious minds want to know)


"Nav" wrote in message
...

Just for fun why not do a simple engineering calculation for us Doug?

For simplicity let's say the rig has mast without any stays.

Mast 20' vertical Boom 10' horizontal. Gooseneck 3' from base of mast
Vang attched to point 3' from goosneck. 200 lbs to be lifted.

What is the bending moment on the boom at the vang if the load is held
by the vang?
What is the shear stress on the boom the load is held by the vang?
What is the compression force of the boom at the vang attachment?

Now let me quickly solve for the topping lift case:

If a topping lift is used, the bending moment at the vang is 0.
If a topping lift is used, the shear stress is 0
If a topping lift is used, the boom compression is 200 x 10 /17 = 118 lbs.

What is the maximum stress at the vang attachment point in each case?

Cheers

It took about 30 seconds to formulate a simple problem to show Doug the
forces involved. Is that a problem for you?

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Gee whiz Nav,
how long have you been waiting to work that one into a conversation?
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
...

Just for fun why not do a simple engineering calculation for us Doug?

For simplicity let's say the rig has mast without any stays.

Mast 20' vertical Boom 10' horizontal. Gooseneck 3' from base of mast
Vang attched to point 3' from goosneck. 200 lbs to be lifted.

What is the bending moment on the boom at the vang if the load is held
by the vang?
What is the shear stress on the boom the load is held by the vang?
What is the compression force of the boom at the vang attachment?

Now let me quickly solve for the topping lift case:

If a topping lift is used, the bending moment at the vang is 0.
If a topping lift is used, the shear stress is 0
If a topping lift is used, the boom compression is 200 x 10 /17 = 118 lbs.

What is the maximum stress at the vang attachment point in each case?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

MC,

If you fo to all tht trouble of figuring things out every time you sail, do
you ever get to relax? You should have a hibernate setting on the right
side of your brain.


Well Kook, when you are on a nice reach on a long passage you have
plenty of time to think about how your boat works. This put you in good
stead for emergencies. If, for example, you don't understand the forces
on a rigid vang how would you rig an emergency replacement that will not
break? In any case, the trig is just lioke a Nav exercise...

Geddit? :-)

Cheers

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Losing interest
| in CM are you?

Are you kidding me... she came to her senses long ago and realized I was
truly beneath her considerations!
.... mind you not until she broke her second ice pick!! ;-)

CM

I don't believe you can type that fast.
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
...
It took about 30 seconds to formulate a simple problem to show Doug the
forces involved. Is that a problem for you?

Cheers

Scout wrote:

Gee whiz Nav,
how long have you been waiting to work that one into a conversation?
Scout

"Nav" wrote in message
...

Just for fun why not do a simple engineering calculation for us Doug?

For simplicity let's say the rig has mast without any stays.

Mast 20' vertical Boom 10' horizontal. Gooseneck 3' from base of mast
Vang attched to point 3' from goosneck. 200 lbs to be lifted.

What is the bending moment on the boom at the vang if the load is held
by the vang?
What is the shear stress on the boom the load is held by the vang?
What is the compression force of the boom at the vang attachment?

Now let me quickly solve for the topping lift case:

If a topping lift is used, the bending moment at the vang is 0.
If a topping lift is used, the shear stress is 0
If a topping lift is used, the boom compression is 200 x 10 /17 = 118
lbs.

What is the maximum stress at the vang attachment point in each case?

Cheers

He uses a secretary ... she types about 120 wpm.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
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| I don't believe you can type that fast.
| Scout

I'll bet she just loves being forced into asa ****ing contests.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
He uses a secretary ... she types about 120 wpm.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
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| I don't believe you can type that fast.
| Scout

Even so, not including the introduction and the "cheers" that post was 146
words.
That's 73 seconds of typing.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
He uses a secretary ... she types about 120 wpm.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
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| I don't believe you can type that fast.
| Scout