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Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
Judge cites terror threat in allowing gun. Thursday, August 12, 2004 By TOM QUIGLEY The Express-Times BELVIDERE -- A Warren County ship captain may carry a concealed weapon in New Jersey waters and ports, state Superior Court Judge John Pursel ruled Wednesday. The judge cited the post-Sept. 11 world of terrorist threats and the recent rise in the terrorist alert system as part of the reason for his decision to grant the carrying permit. Authorities fear the ruling could lead to similar requests from other civilians who would normally face a daunting task in obtaining a New Jersey carrying permit -- permits that are tougher to obtain than those in other states, such as Pennsylvania. "I would submit that it would open a floodgate of future applications," said Warren County Assistant Prosecutor LeeAnn Cunningham in legal paperwork submitted to the court earlier. "For example," Cunningham wrote, "limousine drivers, helicopter pilots, etc. etc." She said recent terrorist threats reported by news outlets involve those specific occupations. But the judge ruled against the prosecutor's office and granted the carrying permit to Hackettstown resident Salvatore Atanasio Jr. Atanasio may only carry a gun when operating a ship or at port and dock facilities, the judge ruled. The ship captain had requested a broader permit enabling him to carry a concealed gun at other times, authorities said. Atanasio works for VIP Yacht Cruises and Yacht Charter Networks, both out of Weehawken, N.J., according to court papers. He is a former merchant marine who has operated large passenger ships and other sea vessels during the past 15 years, the judge said in his decision. "Mr. Atanasio was pretty clear in his testimony that the threats which he faces are real," the judge wrote. Pursel noted the Maritime Security Level for the waters in the New York area is at an all-time high. Cunningham argued in part that New Jersey citizens are not entitled to a carrying permit based only on "generalized fears" or "to protect property." But the judge found Atanasio's concerns are much broader. "It is about protecting the public interest by protecting people or the infrastructure in light of the genuine threats which have been disseminated daily to the public," the judge wrote. The assistant prosecutor argued trained security professionals are available to protect ships. But the judge found Atanasio's qualifications and past training made him the most qualified person to secure a ship since he knows the vessel better than anyone. Cunningham also questioned the validity of the carrying permit when Atanasio sails into the waters of New York and Connecticut. Atanasio currently commands ships carrying between 150 to 600 passengers on sailings throughout the New York area and along the eastern seaboard, court papers show. The captain testified the ship's "wheel area" is protected only by a wooden door that could easily be stormed and leave him helpless. The captain said the ships he commands could then be used to ram a larger vessel. He told the judge it would take the U.S. Coast Guard anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour to respond if his vessel were in distress while at sea. A gun would enable him to gain some time until a Coast Guard boat arrived, he argued. Authorities said the federal Homeland Security Department has made no provision for ships captains to carry a weapon on board. Airline pilots are now permitted to carry guns in the cockpit under specific guidelines. Warren County Prosecutor Thomas Ferguson said his office will not appeal the judge's ruling. Ferguson said state law does not prevent a ship's captain from obtaining a carrying permit. He said most carrying permits go to former police officers who become involved in private security. "But the statute doesn't limit it to them," he added. Ferguson said the judge's decision to limit the scope of the carrying permit was a good one. "We're satisfied with the judge's decision and we're going to leave it there," the prosecutor said. http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/...sf?/base/news- 5/1092314139117720.xml |
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Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
In article bHV0ZWZpc2s=.897c1041e783b283172e9d2e4e7abd38@109 2332473.nulluser.com,
John Deere wrote: Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld Judge cites terror threat in allowing gun. Thursday, August 12, 2004 By TOM QUIGLEY The Express-Times Seems reasonable to me... he's already a known quantity. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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John Deere wrote:
http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/nj/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1092314139117720.xml So what's this have to do with the second ammendment? Yes, I know that it's the title of the article, but as near as I can tell, the judges decision is not based on the 2nd ammendment, and the plaintiff's case did not cite the 2nd amendment. The judge didn't overturn any regulations on constitutional grounds, he just ruled that under the existing regulations the captain should be issued a concealed carry permit. (BTW, it sounds like a reasonable decision to me.) If it was a 2nd amendment case, it would really be news. The body of case law involving the 2nd amendment is very thin. In particular, I'm unaware of any law that's been invalidated on Second amendment grounds in modern times (i.e. post 1900) . -- //-Walt // // http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040514/matson.gif |
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Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
The really sad part about this story is the fact that we 'need'
permission from a judge to carry a gun. John Wayne is rolling in his grave. The damn liberal wussies are ruining this country. Scotty "John Deere" wrote in message news:bHV0ZWZpc2s=.897c1041e783b283172e9d2e4e7abd38 @1092332473.nulluser ..com... Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld Judge cites terror threat in allowing gun. Thursday, August 12, 2004 By TOM QUIGLEY The Express-Times BELVIDERE -- A Warren County ship captain may carry a concealed weapon in New Jersey waters and ports, state Superior Court Judge John Pursel ruled Wednesday. The judge cited the post-Sept. 11 world of terrorist threats and the recent rise in the terrorist alert system as part of the reason for his decision to grant the carrying permit. Authorities fear the ruling could lead to similar requests from other civilians who would normally face a daunting task in obtaining a New Jersey carrying permit -- permits that are tougher to obtain than those in other states, such as Pennsylvania. "I would submit that it would open a floodgate of future applications," said Warren County Assistant Prosecutor LeeAnn Cunningham in legal paperwork submitted to the court earlier. "For example," Cunningham wrote, "limousine drivers, helicopter pilots, etc. etc." She said recent terrorist threats reported by news outlets involve those specific occupations. But the judge ruled against the prosecutor's office and granted the carrying permit to Hackettstown resident Salvatore Atanasio Jr. Atanasio may only carry a gun when operating a ship or at port and dock facilities, the judge ruled. The ship captain had requested a broader permit enabling him to carry a concealed gun at other times, authorities said. Atanasio works for VIP Yacht Cruises and Yacht Charter Networks, both out of Weehawken, N.J., according to court papers. He is a former merchant marine who has operated large passenger ships and other sea vessels during the past 15 years, the judge said in his decision. "Mr. Atanasio was pretty clear in his testimony that the threats which he faces are real," the judge wrote. Pursel noted the Maritime Security Level for the waters in the New York area is at an all-time high. Cunningham argued in part that New Jersey citizens are not entitled to a carrying permit based only on "generalized fears" or "to protect property." But the judge found Atanasio's concerns are much broader. "It is about protecting the public interest by protecting people or the infrastructure in light of the genuine threats which have been disseminated daily to the public," the judge wrote. The assistant prosecutor argued trained security professionals are available to protect ships. But the judge found Atanasio's qualifications and past training made him the most qualified person to secure a ship since he knows the vessel better than anyone. Cunningham also questioned the validity of the carrying permit when Atanasio sails into the waters of New York and Connecticut. Atanasio currently commands ships carrying between 150 to 600 passengers on sailings throughout the New York area and along the eastern seaboard, court papers show. The captain testified the ship's "wheel area" is protected only by a wooden door that could easily be stormed and leave him helpless. The captain said the ships he commands could then be used to ram a larger vessel. He told the judge it would take the U.S. Coast Guard anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour to respond if his vessel were in distress while at sea. A gun would enable him to gain some time until a Coast Guard boat arrived, he argued. Authorities said the federal Homeland Security Department has made no provision for ships captains to carry a weapon on board. Airline pilots are now permitted to carry guns in the cockpit under specific guidelines. Warren County Prosecutor Thomas Ferguson said his office will not appeal the judge's ruling. Ferguson said state law does not prevent a ship's captain from obtaining a carrying permit. He said most carrying permits go to former police officers who become involved in private security. "But the statute doesn't limit it to them," he added. Ferguson said the judge's decision to limit the scope of the carrying permit was a good one. "We're satisfied with the judge's decision and we're going to leave it there," the prosecutor said. http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/...sf?/base/news- 5/1092314139117720.xml |
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Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
The really sad part about this story is the fact that we 'need' permission from a judge to carry a gun. John Wayne is rolling in his grave. The damn liberal wussies are ruining this country. Scotty No kiddin, Shoot... I drive around with an AR-15 in the gun rack of my pickup and the cops dont give it a second glance. Infact the local sheriff was here in the marina last night. I showed him were a Netru tried to eat my car, he told me he would cruise thru around 2 or 3 in the morning and blast the dirty rats. Sure enough around 2 am he unloaded on a pack of em with his 9mm. We see guns as a way of protecting our property around here. For you that do not know what a netru is here is a picture http://www.fotosaves.com.ar/FotosMam...RN_Dic2002.jpg They look like a cross of a huge rat and a beaver with razor sharp orange teeth. They a vegaterians, and I usually just leave them alone, but one must of mistaken my Red Saturn as a tomato. He ate one chunk and bit the front end of the car about 8-10 times. I cant wait to explain this to Geico my auto insurance people. Joe "John Deere" wrote in message news:bHV0ZWZpc2s=.897c1041e783b283172e9d2e4e7abd38 @1092332473.nulluser .com... Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld Judge cites terror threat in allowing gun. Thursday, August 12, 2004 By TOM QUIGLEY The Express-Times BELVIDERE -- A Warren County ship captain may carry a concealed weapon in New Jersey waters and ports, state Superior Court Judge John Pursel ruled Wednesday. The judge cited the post-Sept. 11 world of terrorist threats and the recent rise in the terrorist alert system as part of the reason for his decision to grant the carrying permit. Authorities fear the ruling could lead to similar requests from other civilians who would normally face a daunting task in obtaining a New Jersey carrying permit -- permits that are tougher to obtain than those in other states, such as Pennsylvania. "I would submit that it would open a floodgate of future applications," said Warren County Assistant Prosecutor LeeAnn Cunningham in legal paperwork submitted to the court earlier. "For example," Cunningham wrote, "limousine drivers, helicopter pilots, etc. etc." She said recent terrorist threats reported by news outlets involve those specific occupations. But the judge ruled against the prosecutor's office and granted the carrying permit to Hackettstown resident Salvatore Atanasio Jr. Atanasio may only carry a gun when operating a ship or at port and dock facilities, the judge ruled. The ship captain had requested a broader permit enabling him to carry a concealed gun at other times, authorities said. Atanasio works for VIP Yacht Cruises and Yacht Charter Networks, both out of Weehawken, N.J., according to court papers. He is a former merchant marine who has operated large passenger ships and other sea vessels during the past 15 years, the judge said in his decision. "Mr. Atanasio was pretty clear in his testimony that the threats which he faces are real," the judge wrote. Pursel noted the Maritime Security Level for the waters in the New York area is at an all-time high. Cunningham argued in part that New Jersey citizens are not entitled to a carrying permit based only on "generalized fears" or "to protect property." But the judge found Atanasio's concerns are much broader. "It is about protecting the public interest by protecting people or the infrastructure in light of the genuine threats which have been disseminated daily to the public," the judge wrote. The assistant prosecutor argued trained security professionals are available to protect ships. But the judge found Atanasio's qualifications and past training made him the most qualified person to secure a ship since he knows the vessel better than anyone. Cunningham also questioned the validity of the carrying permit when Atanasio sails into the waters of New York and Connecticut. Atanasio currently commands ships carrying between 150 to 600 passengers on sailings throughout the New York area and along the eastern seaboard, court papers show. The captain testified the ship's "wheel area" is protected only by a wooden door that could easily be stormed and leave him helpless. The captain said the ships he commands could then be used to ram a larger vessel. He told the judge it would take the U.S. Coast Guard anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour to respond if his vessel were in distress while at sea. A gun would enable him to gain some time until a Coast Guard boat arrived, he argued. Authorities said the federal Homeland Security Department has made no provision for ships captains to carry a weapon on board. Airline pilots are now permitted to carry guns in the cockpit under specific guidelines. Warren County Prosecutor Thomas Ferguson said his office will not appeal the judge's ruling. Ferguson said state law does not prevent a ship's captain from obtaining a carrying permit. He said most carrying permits go to former police officers who become involved in private security. "But the statute doesn't limit it to them," he added. Ferguson said the judge's decision to limit the scope of the carrying permit was a good one. "We're satisfied with the judge's decision and we're going to leave it there," the prosecutor said. http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/...sf?/base/news- 5/1092314139117720.xml |
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Ship captain's Second Amendment rights upheld
Oh crap...a legitimate sailing gun thread....
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