The second time he explained to the security staff
about her condition... they ignored him and filed charges.. having her
arrested.

That's absolutely ridiculous, I agree. He should have called the media
right there and then....immediacy sometimes works best....why they are
pursuing it is a wonder to me....surely they must know that public sentiment
is going to slay them?
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"katysails" wrote in message
| That's absolutely ridiculous, I agree. He should have called the media
| right there and then....immediacy sometimes works best....why they are
| pursuing it is a wonder to me....surely they must know that public
sentiment
| is going to slay them?

H-m-m-m... Odd you should say that since following your pretentious
Christian values it should be her son that is burned at the stake.

So when my dad screws up and does odd things like leaving the fridge open,
the phone off the hook and leaving the garden hose running it's a sign I
should have him removed from his family and placed with strangers to dose
him with narcotics and possibly abuse him while we contently go on with our
lives like he never existed... only to murmur some kind words at his
funeral? What a shallow and superficial position.... no doubt based on your
profession.

I hope this is exactly what you face in your future Katy..... because I've
visited my friend's parents in those "homes"... and it seems they get more
visits from me, than their own children. I have several friends who work at
such institutions...... and collectively to a woman.... none would send
their parents there.That to me speaks volumes since 3 of the places are
supposedly quite posh..... the clients are miserable and lonely.

My parents won't be sent to a home.... they'll end their days with family...
we'll see to that. I'll rise to my responsibilities with honour. I'm certain
looking after your MIL would have gotten in the way of your gardening and
sailing wouldn't it? What a pathetic and easy method to slough off your
responsibilities. It's not for their best interest... not in a long shot.

I'm disappointed with you Katy... I imagined you capable of more depth and
less self interest.

Nursing Homes... pah! Another method for the rich and shallow to buy their
way out of their responsibilities. Cha-Ching...

CM

Mooron,
Ad hominem attacks about my religious beliefs (which, BTW, I don't foist
upon people) and my work environment are nothing but that...personal
attacks. I did not attack you about this situation. You openly speak of
what kind of care giver you are and I commend you for it. You have also
over the past two years tracked your Dad's health and have been on top of it
and noticed the changes...and yet, you've been working and sailing and
having a life. So why can you do that and this other guy can't? He was
negligent and unobservant and I have no pity for him in this situation, on;y
for his poor mother...and BTW, I have all along agreed that the store is
very wrong....

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That may well be Katy.... but I can't really see how you can stand judgment
on someone when they are trying... and it is a trial & error situation for
us all!! My Dad always told me that the only people who don't screw up are
the ones not doing anything! As far as the Lady's Son is concerned... he's
devastated... he's now more aware... he's learned from this but that will
not mitigate the damage nor the results. Zellers is proceeding with the case
in court.

I get pretty riled up when I see Bully picking on someone weaker.... the
last thing I want to hear is someone telling me it was the victim's fault
because they shouldn't have ventured there. In your case it's blame for the
son who shouldn't have let her wander there. I don't see it that way....
and it irks me to no end that you would. We are all due basic common
respect.

Now ... I've worked a nine hour day.. was up at 0530 hrs to complete the
chores prior to driving the hour to town and came back to find my Dad had
taken full advantage that Mom had to go for Physiotherapy, [I picked her up
after my brother dropped her off]... left the garden hose on and flooded the
tomatoes, removed the phone from the hook and no calls came through.... but
not before he buttered and jellied an entire loaf of bread into neat little
sandwiches... placing each one in a line... he still does not know why.
Yeah... we left him at home alone.... I guess I must be an asshole as well.
Odd... but I wouldn't trade the aggravation for all the tea in china.

Regarding my rash words.... In retrospect ... you are correct... and I
apologize for my statement regarding your religious beliefs... it was
uncalled for and unwarranted.

That said.... I'm left sorely disappointed in your judgment on this matter
and it's more than obvious we shall remain miles apart on this topic.


CM



"katysails" wrote in message
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| Mooron,
| Ad hominem attacks about my religious beliefs (which, BTW, I don't foist
| upon people) and my work environment are nothing but that...personal
| attacks. I did not attack you about this situation. You openly speak of
| what kind of care giver you are and I commend you for it. You have also
| over the past two years tracked your Dad's health and have been on top of
it
| and noticed the changes...and yet, you've been working and sailing and
| having a life. So why can you do that and this other guy can't? He was
| negligent and unobservant and I have no pity for him in this situation,
on;y
| for his poor mother...and BTW, I have all along agreed that the store is
| very wrong....
|
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| katysails
| s/v Chanteuse
| Kirie Elite 32
| http://katysails.tripod.com
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| and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
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I'm left sorely disappointed in your judgment on this matter
and it's more than obvious we shall remain miles apart on this topic.


I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these situations
every day...I'm glad the guy has learned something before it was too
late...we have had people come through ours doors that were nigh unto death
from unconscious neglect because people just aren't aware....we have had
family members who have had their parents literally taken away by the court
system because they tried to do it at home and ended up making their parent
a drug addict because they couldn't handle the situation. Want to know what
the leading problem is with home care for the elderly? Family abuse.
People don't mean to retaliate...they just don't have the eloping mechanisms
to be able to handle the stress of dementia and Alzheimer's and they don't
know where or when to go for help. Or they are too proud to go for help
because after all, they can handle it. I sit on the other end of the
picture. I've seen the wife who, angered by the fact that her husband is no
longer who he used to be, tried to slowly poison him to death. We've had
the families that believe it is better to let a diabetic member drink
themselves to death at home then to try to wean them from alcohol and
possibly save a portion of what's left of their lives. We actually have
people who sneak in medications they think their parents should have,
administer them secretly, and then when the medications react with what the
doctor's prescribe, all hell breaks loose...we had one guy who would wheel
his wife off the property to give her narcotics...we caught him and he now
no longer has any type of visiting privileges without another family member
and a staff member present. You do not see the whole picture. You are
seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change your
tune.
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My Dad is 87 and he still does his paper route that I got for him 3
years ago. Darned if he's gonna squander away my inheritance.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

My Dad is 87 and he still does his paper route that I got for him 3
years ago. Darned if he's gonna squander away my inheritance.

Gee, Scoot, a well-placed Rottweiler might come in handy . . .

Max
:-)

"katysails" wrote in message
| I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these situations
You do not see the whole picture. You are
| seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
| goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change your
| tune.

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions...... I've heard it before!
There are many failures by many people with honourable intentions.... don't
label those with these intentions as "assholes".... it's not fair and not
fitting.

You convieniently fail to mention the many cases of abuse by staff of the
"nursing homes" to which some family friends have been subjected to. It's
not always the family that is incapable and inconsiderate of the needs of
their elders.

Yes it's overwhelming at times ... and yes it requires a doubling of the
workload at times. I agree not everyone has the ability to take on such
responsibility... but valiant effort should be guided.. not punished. This
is where the whole situation lacks cohesion..... if care is to be learned
then maybe we should teach and not accuse.

No... I wouldn't change my tune.

I have nobody to look after me in my old age. No children, no wife.... and
siblings that will have their own problems. I'll not become a ward of the
state. I'd sooner die through the failings of someone with "good intentions"
.... but far better to be sailing longer than it's safe for me to handle a
vessel. Too Proud to take charity and way too stubborn to cage!

I have need for no one. I never have and never will...... others are not as
fortunate.

CM

Never say never CM. I learned my lesson regarding pride 15 years ago, when
I broke my back doing construction work. You know the old saying, the bigger
they are, yadda yadda. Well it's true. People can claim whatever they like
in this ng, but I'm telling you that I'm a guy who knows what it's like to
walk the darkest city street and not be afraid. In my prime I was stronger,
faster, and bigger than most people. Then I went down, and hard. When I
couldn't walk (for 6 months), I learned humility. It's a good and important
lesson. I've since regained much of my strength through hard physical
effort, but I'll never again say that I don't need other people. You just
don't know what the future holds.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"katysails" wrote in message
| I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these
situations
You do not see the whole picture. You are
| seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
| goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change
your
| tune.

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions...... I've heard it
before!
There are many failures by many people with honourable intentions....
don't
label those with these intentions as "assholes".... it's not fair and not
fitting.

You convieniently fail to mention the many cases of abuse by staff of the
"nursing homes" to which some family friends have been subjected to. It's
not always the family that is incapable and inconsiderate of the needs of
their elders.

Yes it's overwhelming at times ... and yes it requires a doubling of the
workload at times. I agree not everyone has the ability to take on such
responsibility... but valiant effort should be guided.. not punished. This
is where the whole situation lacks cohesion..... if care is to be learned
then maybe we should teach and not accuse.

No... I wouldn't change my tune.

I have nobody to look after me in my old age. No children, no wife.... and
siblings that will have their own problems. I'll not become a ward of the
state. I'd sooner die through the failings of someone with "good
intentions"
... but far better to be sailing longer than it's safe for me to handle a
vessel. Too Proud to take charity and way too stubborn to cage!

I have need for no one. I never have and never will...... others are not
as
fortunate.

CM