Kerry Record????
 

Hey I hear lots of talk about how Kerry's voting record is very Liberal and
grounds for not voting for him.
I have not been able to find a list of the record, that is considered to be
bad.

Anyone know what they are talking about or a link that lists them?

I have heard one or two specific ones, but nothing that would constitute a
list.

Inquiring Minds What to Know!!

Kerry Record????
 

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:06:29 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

Hey I hear lots of talk about how Kerry's voting record is very Liberal and
grounds for not voting for him.
I have not been able to find a list of the record, that is considered to be
bad.

Anyone know what they are talking about or a link that lists them?

I have heard one or two specific ones, but nothing that would constitute a
list.

Inquiring Minds What to Know!!


One of the better places to look that I have come across is

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...sig_id=002927M

If you click on the individual's name, it will provide you with a fair
amount of detail that you might find helpful.

Those actual "rankings" are compiled by the National Journal, as I
understand it, but I think you have to be a subscriber to get their
details.

Kerry Record????
 

On 04 Aug 2004 17:40:09 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

You want to see his voting record.

JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD: THE LIST

The list as compiled and described by whom? You clearly fall into the
group, "you can fool some of the people all of the time". If you
really think you are getting a "fair and balanced" look at Kerry
through whatever Fox News/Ralph Reed/Sean Hannity/Karl Rove group that
put that together then you need to steer clear of sharp objects.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

By the way, what was the source of your "list"?

Kerry Record????
 

Excellent! ;-)

Kerry Record????
 

An excellent, well not so excellent, fabrication.

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"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Excellent! ;-)

Kerry Record????
 

Now the liberals are saying his voting record doesn't
matter? Huh? That is the most solid evidence of
who he is.

Librals only think we can only get a "Fair and balanced"
view of Kerry from his web site.

It just proves how stupid liberals are to believe in a Kook
like Kerry.

His voting record proves what an extremist liberal Kerry is.


"felton" wrote

On 04 Aug 2004 17:40:09 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

You want to see his voting record.

JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD: THE LIST

The list as compiled and described by whom? You clearly fall into the
group, "you can fool some of the people all of the time". If you
really think you are getting a "fair and balanced" look at Kerry
through whatever Fox News/Ralph Reed/Sean Hannity/Karl Rove group that
put that together then you need to steer clear of sharp objects.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

By the way, what was the source of your "list"?

Kerry Record????
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Now the liberals are saying his voting record doesn't
matter? Huh? That is the most solid evidence of
who he is.

I'd say his voting record *does* matter, as does his authorship &
sponsorship of bills. However, lies about his (or any other candidates)
voting record ought to not matter much, unless of course you are going
to hold the liar accountable.

But then, you are on record as believing that any horrible distortion of
fact is "true" as long it slanders somebody you consider "liberal" or
compliments somebody you consider "conservative." Observable facts from
the real world don't seem to enter the picture.



His voting record proves what an extremist liberal Kerry is.

Actually, his *real* voting record proves nothing of the kind.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...an_id=S0421103

On scale where 0= very conservative and 100= very liberal, Kerry is
ranked at 63. Elizabeth Dole is ranked 22. John Edwards is ranked 93, if
you're going to rant about "extremist liberals" he is a much more likely
target. Our Congressman David Price, who is a money-grubbing weasel with
few peers, rates 73.

DSK

Kerry Record????
 

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 01:13:54 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote:

Now the liberals are saying his voting record doesn't
matter? Huh? That is the most solid evidence of
who he is.

Librals only think we can only get a "Fair and balanced"
view of Kerry from his web site.

It just proves how stupid liberals are to believe in a Kook
like Kerry.

His voting record proves what an extremist liberal Kerry is.

As I was reading one of these sites today, there was a quote from the
late Sen. Patrick Moynihan...

"Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

That is the glaring problem with the sort of simple minded crap that
you right wing kooks put forth. You are so afraid of opinions formed
on *actual* facts that you put forth this sort of silliness and claim
it to be factual. It doesn't bother me if others reach different
conclusions about the *actual* facts, but the obvious efforts to
disguise and hide the true facts leads to the inescapable conclusion
that the truth frightens you.

Why don't you make some minimal effort to check these claims..

http://www.factcheck.org/default.aspx

That might prove interesting to those with the intellectual integrity
to actually read and think rather than just parrot. It is a
nonpartisan group and puts both sides under the microscope.




"felton" wrote

On 04 Aug 2004 17:40:09 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

You want to see his voting record.

JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD: THE LIST

The list as compiled and described by whom? You clearly fall into the
group, "you can fool some of the people all of the time". If you
really think you are getting a "fair and balanced" look at Kerry
through whatever Fox News/Ralph Reed/Sean Hannity/Karl Rove group that
put that together then you need to steer clear of sharp objects.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

By the way, what was the source of your "list"?

Kerry Record????
 

Not true. The facts speak for themselves.

Liberalism is based on lies. The end justifies the means,
so there are no holds bared.

Kerry's record proves he is not only an extremist liberal,
but solidly at the far edge of the spectrum and his voting
record proves it--even using your own rating system the
guy had mostly 100's and 0's in the ratings.

Think about what 0's and 100's mean! It means he either
extremist conservative or extremist liberal. And we know
which one he is--extremist liberal. He never sees the
middle ground.

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:
Now the liberals are saying his voting record doesn't
matter? Huh? That is the most solid evidence of
who he is.

I'd say his voting record *does* matter, as does his authorship &
sponsorship of bills. However, lies about his (or any other candidates)
voting record ought to not matter much, unless of course you are going
to hold the liar accountable.

But then, you are on record as believing that any horrible distortion of
fact is "true" as long it slanders somebody you consider "liberal" or
compliments somebody you consider "conservative." Observable facts from
the real world don't seem to enter the picture.



His voting record proves what an extremist liberal Kerry is.

Actually, his *real* voting record proves nothing of the kind.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...an_id=S0421103

On scale where 0= very conservative and 100= very liberal, Kerry is
ranked at 63. Elizabeth Dole is ranked 22. John Edwards is ranked 93, if
you're going to rant about "extremist liberals" he is a much more likely
target. Our Congressman David Price, who is a money-grubbing weasel with
few peers, rates 73.

DSK

Kerry Record????
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Not true. The facts speak for themselves.

....

Think about what 0's and 100's mean! It means he either
extremist conservative or extremist liberal. And we know
which one he is--extremist liberal. He never sees the
middle ground.

Doesn't that mean the Republicans are lying when they call him a flip-flopper?

Kerry Record????
 

Yup... someone is lying. I think Clinton did it.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Not true. The facts speak for themselves.

...

Think about what 0's and 100's mean! It means he either
extremist conservative or extremist liberal. And we know
which one he is--extremist liberal. He never sees the
middle ground.

Doesn't that mean the Republicans are lying when they call him a
flip-flopper?

Kerry Record????
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Liberalism is based on lies. The end justifies the means,
so there are no holds bared.

You mean, like lying about the fact that Bush & Ashcroft think it's OK
to hold native born Americans in jail indefinitely with no due process?



Kerry's record proves he is not only an extremist liberal

It may "prove" it to you, but not to anybody who actually looks with
their eyes open. The only thing I see Kerry voting for 100% is abortion
rights. and the environment. As a Constitutional issue, the federal
gov't has no right to make laws restricting abortion. As a person who
has to breathe the air & drink the water, much less sail on it, I think
that there is no reason to allow private interests to pollute for their
own profit.

BTW I also don't see any reason whatever to allow oil drilling or
lumbering or any other for-profit activity on gov't owned lands. *We*
paid for the land and if there is money being made off it, I want my share!

As I see it, you're either for the Constitution or against it. Either
you believe that the gov't should be restricted in it's actions, and
citizens should have rights that will stand, or you don't. It seems you
don't believe in freedom, Bart, other than with guns. I find that puzzling.

DSK

Kerry Record????
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
It just goes to show what a kook Kerry is.

Kook
Extremist
Rabid
Ridiculous
Yuck!


Bart thinks that the average American is stupid enough to be swayed by his
reasoning.


Regards


Donal
--

Kerry Record????
 

No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
It just goes to show what a kook Kerry is.

Kook
Extremist
Rabid
Ridiculous
Yuck!

Bart thinks that the average American is stupid enough to be swayed by his
reasoning.

Donal

Kerry Record????
 

Well, there you go folks... the average American is stupid.
But, according to the right-wing extemists such as Bart,
they're the ones going to vote for Bush in record numbers.
I think I'll vote for Kerry.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
It just goes to show what a kook Kerry is.

Kook
Extremist
Rabid
Ridiculous
Yuck!

Bart thinks that the average American is stupid enough to be swayed by
his
reasoning.

Donal

Kerry Record????
 

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:16:36 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:

On 04 Aug 2004 17:40:09 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

You want to see his voting record.

JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD: THE LIST

The list as compiled and described by whom?

By the way, what was the source of your "list"?


If it's accurate, what difference does it make?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:14:27 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:

As I was reading one of these sites today, there was a quote from the
late Sen. Patrick Moynihan...

"Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

That is the glaring problem with the sort of simple minded crap that
you right wing kooks put forth. You are so afraid of opinions formed
on *actual* facts that you put forth this sort of silliness and claim
it to be factual.


Huh? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are saying you
can't form opinions from the facts?

That is the looniest, cockamamie, left-wing, whacko **** I ever heard.
No wonder you left-wing whackos are losing.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:17:26 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:14:27 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:

As I was reading one of these sites today, there was a quote from the
late Sen. Patrick Moynihan...

"Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

That is the glaring problem with the sort of simple minded crap that
you right wing kooks put forth. You are so afraid of opinions formed
on *actual* facts that you put forth this sort of silliness and claim
it to be factual.


Huh? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are saying you
can't form opinions from the facts?

No...it says you have to be honest with the facts and then you are
free to draw your own conclusions. Read it again and think about it.



That is the looniest, cockamamie, left-wing, whacko **** I ever heard.

That doesn't surprise me.

No wonder you left-wing whackos are losing.

We will see in November:)





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:12:19 -0400, Horvath
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:16:36 GMT, felton wrote
this crap:

On 04 Aug 2004 17:40:09 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

You want to see his voting record.

JOHN KERRY VOTING RECORD: THE LIST

The list as compiled and described by whom?

By the way, what was the source of your "list"?


If it's accurate, what difference does it make?

I can see why you don't want to say:) Most of this slanted propaganda
comes anonymously. I guess no one wants to actually be held
accountable for it. Perfectly understandable. There is an old saying
for things like this..."consider the source."






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

Left wing wacko's are not just losing, but losers.

A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.

We are polarized because terrorist attacks increase
the number or conservatives willing to fight for what
they believe in, and increase the number of frightened
liberal sheepeople that hope to appease the bad guys.

"Horvath" wrote

Huh? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are saying you
can't form opinions from the facts?

That is the looniest, cockamamie, left-wing, whacko **** I ever heard.
No wonder you left-wing whackos are losing.

Kerry Record????
 

Kerry is going to win.

A conservative is a liberal who hasn't lived.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
Left wing wacko's are not just losing, but losers.

A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.

We are polarized because terrorist attacks increase
the number or conservatives willing to fight for what
they believe in, and increase the number of frightened
liberal sheepeople that hope to appease the bad guys.

"Horvath" wrote

Huh? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. You are saying you
can't form opinions from the facts?

That is the looniest, cockamamie, left-wing, whacko **** I ever heard.
No wonder you left-wing whackos are losing.

Kerry Record????
 

Bart Senior wrote:
We are polarized because terrorist attacks

We are polarized because a few people (who might normally have better
sense) have been seduced by right wing hate radio into vocally
supporting fascism instead of democracy.

We are polarized because we have a President who announces that he is a
"uniter, not a divider" yet tramples Consitutional rights and all
disagreement with his pre-chosen agenda.

Rush Limbaugh and his ilk were preaching hatred against liberals long
before Sept 11th. They refused to acknowledge Clinton as their
President, as did you Bart; and they despise freedom and will extinguish
it if allowed to.

We are polarized because guys like you call guys like me traitors and
not only refuse to think better of it, but apparently feel no remorse.

DSK

PS here are two quotes that sum it up for you...

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
intelligent are full of doubt
--Bertrand Russell

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice
of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to
all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear
--Harry S. Truman

Kerry Record????
 

On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:06:29 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

Hey I hear lots of talk about how Kerry's voting record is very Liberal and
grounds for not voting for him.
I have not been able to find a list of the record, that is considered to be
bad.

Anyone know what they are talking about or a link that lists them?

I have heard one or two specific ones, but nothing that would constitute a
list.

Inquiring Minds What to Know!!


Here is a link that you might find helpful

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

Kerry Record????
 

On 6 Aug 2004 14:17:05 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:50:16 GMT, felton said:

Here is a link that you might find helpful

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

Now there's a really reliable and unbiased source. A propaganda web site
authored by a "media specialist" at the "Arts Academy in the Woods."


Well, I could respond to your post in your traditional manner...don't
like the message, attack the messenger....but I won't. I guess it
would be too much to ask for you to actually refute any specifics, but
specifics don't really count for you guys anyway, do they?

Don't worry Dave, your painful and ultimately fruitless task of
defending this administration will soon be over. Then you guys will
experience a return to the Golden Age of Republican whining and
blaming, rather than defending. It is so much easier to hatch those
conspiracy theories than it is to weave together any plausible excuses
for this group.

I also look forward to those days. I'll probably remove the AM button
from my radio and program all my FM stations to either NPR or
Classical:) Perhaps I'll move to Vermont and drive a Hybrid car and
spend my days drinking French wines. Feel free to drop by..but call
first:)

Kerry Record????
 

On 6 Aug 2004 16:19:19 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:25:04 GMT, felton said:

I guess it
would be too much to ask for you to actually refute any specifics

Why bother? The site is so obviously a compendium of statements of the party
line I don't think anyone would take it seriously.

A compendium of very *specific* statements, complete with sources. I
commend you on your honest approach to denial, though. Avoid
specifics that can be refuted and stick with your preferred method
of cryptic dismissal.

Kerry Record????
 

Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.

I would have stayed out of this entire political discussion this
year if it were not for the constant stream of liberal extremism.
And, I've provided numerous examples of how liberal
extremism bashes America.

President Bush supports the Constitution and the 2nd
Amendment, while Kerry has trampled this whenever possible,
without exception. This is one of the most fundamental
rights listed only after freedom of religion and speech.

When it comes to name calling, and lying, the liberals
outdo the conservatives by a huge margin. They don't need
a shred of proof--the end justifies the means. Is that the
American way? Or a sign of desperation? Or of stupidity?

Limbaugh doesn't preach, he talks about the stupidity of
liberal extremism with humor.

The Democrats had a chance to chose a reasonable moderate,
with common sense, Sen. Lieberman. He is a man who doesn't
flip flop around and, has conviction and common sense. This
year extremism won, because Bush is basically a moderate
with conviction.

I support President Bush and feel he needs another term to
finish what he started. Kerry is a vacant empty man. The
only ones worse liberals are Kennedy and Dean.

It really is double or nothing this year.


"DSK" wrote

We are polarized because a few people (who might normally have better
sense) have been seduced by right wing hate radio into vocally
supporting fascism instead of democracy.

We are polarized because we have a President who announces that he is a
"uniter, not a divider" yet tramples Consitutional rights and all
disagreement with his pre-chosen agenda.

Rush Limbaugh and his ilk were preaching hatred against liberals long
before Sept 11th. They refused to acknowledge Clinton as their
President, as did you Bart; and they despise freedom and will extinguish
it if allowed to.

We are polarized because guys like you call guys like me traitors and
not only refuse to think better of it, but apparently feel no remorse.

DSK

PS here are two quotes that sum it up for you...

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the
intelligent are full of doubt
--Bertrand Russell

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice
of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of
increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to
all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear
--Harry S. Truman

Kerry Record????
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.


The only US media that we see over here is Fox and CNN. Neither seems to be
very left wing.





Regards


Donal
--

Kerry Record????
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.


Well, you can thank your lucky stars that it doesn't require a majority to
elect the President!


Regards


Donal
--

Kerry Record????
 

Bart Senior wrote:
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.

Why?

How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.

If that were true, there would be no Fox News, no Rush Limbaugh, etc
etc. Actually the right controls more of the media than the left, look
at who was lobbying the FCC recently to change the rules about ownership
limits.


I would have stayed out of this entire political discussion this
year if it were not for the constant stream of liberal extremism.
And, I've provided numerous examples of how liberal
extremism bashes America.

President Bush supports the Constitution

Sorry, locking up citizens without trial and keeping *everything* the
gov't does as secret as possible, and spending money not authorized by
Congress, is not "supporting the Constitution" in my book. In fact he
wants to amend the Constitution to meddle in citizen's private affairs,
or at least he says he does.


... while Kerry has trampled this (2nd Amendm't) whenever possible,
without exception.

In other words, on this single issue, you feel that Bush is great and
Kerry is the "Spawn of Satan" in your words.


... This is one of the most fundamental
rights listed only after freedom of religion and speech.



Perhaps you feel that religious freedom is over rated?

Bush has taken *my* tax money and used it to support churches I don't
believe in. Perhaps you feel that Bush was appointed by God to rule over
us? Some people do, and they are usually pretty vocal about it. Perhaps
you feel that people who disagree with you should not only be killed,
but cast into a pit of fire?

As for freedom of speech, it seems to me that you are against it. For
speaking the way I do, you called me a traitor.

I have pointed to very sound reasons why I hold the opinions I do. You
have posted a LOT of right-wing propaganda, most of which falls apart
pretty quickly when examined. Have you convinced anybody to join your side?

DSK

Kerry Record????
 

Maybe we should change the name to the
Divided States of America!

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
....
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.

Well, you can thank your lucky stars that it doesn't require a majority to
elect the President!

Kerry Record????
 

How about the LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post,
and any other newspaper you can think of.

Most news commentators present a liberal slant on TV,
with a few exceptions.

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.


The only US media that we see over here is Fox and CNN. Neither seems to
be
very left wing.

Kerry Record????
 

"DSK" wrote

In other words, on this single issue, you feel that Bush is great and
Kerry is the "Spawn of Satan" in your words.

Yes. It is the most important issue for me. It is the basis of
liberty.

Perhaps you feel that religious freedom is over rated?

Actually I do--slightly. I'd put it second and the right to keep and
bear arms first.

pretty quickly when examined. Have you convinced anybody to join your
side?

Probably not. Have you? Probably not.

Kerry Record????
 

You are so incredibly naive...

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
How about the LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post,
and any other newspaper you can think of.

Most news commentators present a liberal slant on TV,
with a few exceptions.

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
Doug,

Think about the left wing agenda promoted by the media.
How can you complain about the right wing, when the left
virtually controls the media.


The only US media that we see over here is Fox and CNN. Neither seems
to
be
very left wing.

Kerry Record????
 

That's clearly what the right-wing wackos such as yourself
want. Thanks for admitting it.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Maybe we should change the name to the
Divided States of America!

"Donal" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote
...
No I think the average American is stupid, and the
proof is the number of liberals.

Well, you can thank your lucky stars that it doesn't require a majority
to
elect the President!

Kerry Record????
 

Is it ok if I do... hey Dave, you're an asshole. :-)

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"felton" wrote in message
...
On 6 Aug 2004 14:17:05 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 17:50:16 GMT, felton said:

Here is a link that you might find helpful

http://ideamouth.com/respect.htm#Senate

Now there's a really reliable and unbiased source. A propaganda web site
authored by a "media specialist" at the "Arts Academy in the Woods."


Well, I could respond to your post in your traditional manner...don't
like the message, attack the messenger....but I won't. I guess it
would be too much to ask for you to actually refute any specifics, but
specifics don't really count for you guys anyway, do they?

Don't worry Dave, your painful and ultimately fruitless task of
defending this administration will soon be over. Then you guys will
experience a return to the Golden Age of Republican whining and
blaming, rather than defending. It is so much easier to hatch those
conspiracy theories than it is to weave together any plausible excuses
for this group.

I also look forward to those days. I'll probably remove the AM button
from my radio and program all my FM stations to either NPR or
Classical:) Perhaps I'll move to Vermont and drive a Hybrid car and
spend my days drinking French wines. Feel free to drop by..but call
first:)

Kerry Record????
 

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:29:52 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Is it ok if I do... hey Dave, you're an asshole. :-)

Nah...Dave wasn't attacking me, he was just dismissing the
information, very *specific* information provided at that site with
his broad brush of "I'm not willing to accept anything that the RNC
doesn't tell me". As my father used to tell me, "it is one thing to
try and fool other people, but don't ever make the mistake of trying
to fool yourself."

Here is another good database of votig records, by issue.

http://www.voterpunch.org/

It is quite interesting, and, again, provides sufficient detail that
you can see where they arrive at their information, unlike the crap
that Loco posted. In this case, Kerry is ranked, overall, as the 24th
most "progressive", i.e. "liberal" member of the Senate, with Edwards
coming in at 33rd. Not exactly the 1st and 4th we've been hearing,
but I guess it depends on who does the scorekeeping. Besides, I have
never seen anything that supports those ranks other than some
Republican spinmeister spouting it on the talk shows, anyway.

Kerry Record????
 

Yeh, but he's still an asshole.

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"felton" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:29:52 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

Is it ok if I do... hey Dave, you're an asshole. :-)

Nah...Dave wasn't attacking me, he was just dismissing the
information, very *specific* information provided at that site with
his broad brush of "I'm not willing to accept anything that the RNC
doesn't tell me". As my father used to tell me, "it is one thing to
try and fool other people, but don't ever make the mistake of trying
to fool yourself."

Here is another good database of votig records, by issue.

http://www.voterpunch.org/

It is quite interesting, and, again, provides sufficient detail that
you can see where they arrive at their information, unlike the crap
that Loco posted. In this case, Kerry is ranked, overall, as the 24th
most "progressive", i.e. "liberal" member of the Senate, with Edwards
coming in at 33rd. Not exactly the 1st and 4th we've been hearing,
but I guess it depends on who does the scorekeeping. Besides, I have
never seen anything that supports those ranks other than some
Republican spinmeister spouting it on the talk shows, anyway.

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Felton,

I do believed you've thumped the conservatives ACE!! They don't like
it! The Conservatives can't stand to defend specifics. Not the way you
presented them. Innuendoes are their ways.

It may slant to the left but you've left damn little wiggling room,
with your reply.

Well done!!

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

Think about what has happened in Massachusetts.

It's the most liberal state in the Union. They've
destroyed the second amendment there. The
don't call it Taxachussets for nothing. Do we
want the US to be like that state? Heck no!

"felton" wrote
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:29:52 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

Here is another good database of votig records, by issue.

http://www.voterpunch.org/

It is quite interesting, and, again, provides sufficient detail that
you can see where they arrive at their information, unlike the crap
that Loco posted. In this case, Kerry is ranked, overall, as the 24th
most "progressive", i.e. "liberal" member of the Senate, with Edwards
coming in at 33rd. Not exactly the 1st and 4th we've been hearing,
but I guess it depends on who does the scorekeeping. Besides, I have
never seen anything that supports those ranks other than some
Republican spinmeister spouting it on the talk shows, anyway.

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Nice try Bart,

I do think it would be nice to keep Conservative's view vs Liberal's
view on the front page for awhile.

Your comments are missing? Don't you have anything to say in rebuttal?

Ole Thom