Kerry Record????
 

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Think about what has happened in Massachusetts.

It's the most liberal state in the Union. They've
destroyed the second amendment there. The
don't call it Taxachussets for nothing. Do we
want the US to be like that state? Heck no!

Hey Bart, your grasp of Massachusetts politics is about as poor as your
understanding of national politics. Massachusetts ranks 33rd in the nation in
terms of per capita taxes as a percentage of income.

Kerry Record????
 

Bart isn't too good with numbers or facts.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Think about what has happened in Massachusetts.

It's the most liberal state in the Union. They've
destroyed the second amendment there. The
don't call it Taxachussets for nothing. Do we
want the US to be like that state? Heck no!

Hey Bart, your grasp of Massachusetts politics is about as poor as your
understanding of national politics. Massachusetts ranks 33rd in the
nation in
terms of per capita taxes as a percentage of income.

Kerry Record????
 

Bart,

Felton's reply to all the BS you've been posting really deserves a reply
from you. Show the Satanic Liberals your rebuttals and the error of
their ways

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

666 dude 666

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Bart,

Felton's reply to all the BS you've been posting really deserves a reply
from you. Show the Satanic Liberals your rebuttals and the error of
their ways

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:17:08 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

Hey Bart, your grasp of Massachusetts politics is about as poor as your
understanding of national politics. Massachusetts ranks 33rd in the nation in
terms of per capita taxes as a percentage of income.

Got any proof? or are you just ****ing off the high side?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:19:24 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

666 dude 666


Is that now your middle name?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Thom,

Kerry's record is clear. He is the most extreme
liberal in Congress, tied with several others for
that title.

If you want unbiased assessments, look at all
the special interest groups ratings on his voting
record. Kerry is rated 0 or 100 for most of them,
meaning he is at the extreme.

They are invaluable in showing where an incumbent
has stood on a series of votes in the past years.
Ratings by groups on all sides of an issue are listed.
When taken as a whole, these are compared, give
a balanced view of the candidate.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...an_id=S0421103

Kerry won't make a stand. Here's more proof.

Senator John Forbes Kerry Democrat refused to take
the NPAT. He won't even discuss what he will support!

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) is a key
component of Project Vote Smart's Voter Self-Defense
system. It asks candidates one central question: "Are you
willing to demonstrate a good faith effort to provide voters
with your inclinations on the issues you will most likely face
on the citizen's behalf?" The NPAT is administered to all
candidates for presidential, congressional, gubernatorial,
and state legislative offices.

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) asks
candidates which items they will support if elected. It does
not ask them to indicate which items they will oppose.
Research of public polling data, shows voters are more
concerned with what candidates would support when
elected to office, not what they oppose.

Now Compare Kerry to Sen Liberman, who did take NPAT.

His voting record: show substantial variation and a more
moderate position.

Take the NPAT yourself and ask yourself why a politician
would not take it, unless he wants to mislead the public.

http://www.vote-smart.org/match_section.php
Chose congressional voting records and find who
matches your opinions.


"Thom Stewart" wrote

Nice try Bart,

I do think it would be nice to keep Conservative's view vs Liberal's
view on the front page for awhile.

Your comments are missing? Don't you have anything to say in rebuttal?

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

Why would you even doubt that I have proof? Its only "conservatives" that make
up "facts."

http://taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/...09&Topic2id=90



"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:17:08 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

Hey Bart, your grasp of Massachusetts politics is about as poor as your
understanding of national politics. Massachusetts ranks 33rd in the nation
in
terms of per capita taxes as a percentage of income.

Got any proof? or are you just ****ing off the high side?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

The fact that he has a consistent record on certain major issues doesn't make
him an extremist, it just makes him consistent.

If you want his rating based on his voting record, you should look at
http://www.voterpunch.org
Check "Select by Score" and search. You'll find Kerry rated just in the middle
of Democrats. His record is clearly not "extremist."

Of course, you're not interested in the truth, are you Bart?




"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Thom,

Kerry's record is clear. He is the most extreme
liberal in Congress, tied with several others for
that title.

If you want unbiased assessments, look at all
the special interest groups ratings on his voting
record. Kerry is rated 0 or 100 for most of them,
meaning he is at the extreme.

They are invaluable in showing where an incumbent
has stood on a series of votes in the past years.
Ratings by groups on all sides of an issue are listed.
When taken as a whole, these are compared, give
a balanced view of the candidate.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...an_id=S0421103

Kerry won't make a stand. Here's more proof.

Senator John Forbes Kerry Democrat refused to take
the NPAT. He won't even discuss what he will support!

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) is a key
component of Project Vote Smart's Voter Self-Defense
system. It asks candidates one central question: "Are you
willing to demonstrate a good faith effort to provide voters
with your inclinations on the issues you will most likely face
on the citizen's behalf?" The NPAT is administered to all
candidates for presidential, congressional, gubernatorial,
and state legislative offices.

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) asks
candidates which items they will support if elected. It does
not ask them to indicate which items they will oppose.
Research of public polling data, shows voters are more
concerned with what candidates would support when
elected to office, not what they oppose.

Now Compare Kerry to Sen Liberman, who did take NPAT.

His voting record: show substantial variation and a more
moderate position.

Take the NPAT yourself and ask yourself why a politician
would not take it, unless he wants to mislead the public.

http://www.vote-smart.org/match_section.php
Chose congressional voting records and find who
matches your opinions.


"Thom Stewart" wrote

Nice try Bart,

I do think it would be nice to keep Conservative's view vs Liberal's
view on the front page for awhile.

Your comments are missing? Don't you have anything to say in rebuttal?

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

He is right.

I was correct in that Massachussetts ranks 6th as
one of the worst states for high taxes per capita.

But there is more money in the state. If the higher
income leve is factored in Massachussetts rates much
better.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/staterankings.html

I also found out military retirement income is not
taxed in Massachusetts. Which was interesting.


"Horvath" wrote
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:17:08 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote this crap:

Hey Bart, your grasp of Massachusetts politics is about as poor as your
understanding of national politics. Massachusetts ranks 33rd in the
nation in
terms of per capita taxes as a percentage of income.

Got any proof? or are you just ****ing off the high side?

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Bart,
If you're going to take congressional records, how about comparing
Kerry's record of purposed bill that have passed into laws (His success
rate) you'll find it to be higher than Cheney's. In fact among the most
successful.

Ole Thom

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

We are talking about using his record to define
where he stands. His record shows him to be
as far left as he could be.

Kerry doesn't talk about what he stands for. He
doesn't have the backbone for this. He is spineless.

"Thom Stewart" wrote

Bart,
If you're going to take congressional records, how about comparing
Kerry's record of purposed bill that have passed into laws (His success
rate) you'll find it to be higher than Cheney's. In fact among the most
successful.

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

No. I'm just playing the devil's advocate.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:19:24 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

666 dude 666


Is that now your middle name?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Kerry Record????
 

Those damn liberals....

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
I also found out military retirement income is not
taxed in Massachusetts. Which was interesting.

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Wait, I thought you said he was an extremist! Don't
start backpeddling now!

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
Thom,

Kerry's record is clear. He is the most extreme
liberal in Congress, tied with several others for
that title.

If you want unbiased assessments, look at all
the special interest groups ratings on his voting
record. Kerry is rated 0 or 100 for most of them,
meaning he is at the extreme.

They are invaluable in showing where an incumbent
has stood on a series of votes in the past years.
Ratings by groups on all sides of an issue are listed.
When taken as a whole, these are compared, give
a balanced view of the candidate.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rati...an_id=S0421103

Kerry won't make a stand. Here's more proof.

Senator John Forbes Kerry Democrat refused to take
the NPAT. He won't even discuss what he will support!

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) is a key
component of Project Vote Smart's Voter Self-Defense
system. It asks candidates one central question: "Are you
willing to demonstrate a good faith effort to provide voters
with your inclinations on the issues you will most likely face
on the citizen's behalf?" The NPAT is administered to all
candidates for presidential, congressional, gubernatorial,
and state legislative offices.

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) asks
candidates which items they will support if elected. It does
not ask them to indicate which items they will oppose.
Research of public polling data, shows voters are more
concerned with what candidates would support when
elected to office, not what they oppose.

Now Compare Kerry to Sen Liberman, who did take NPAT.

His voting record: show substantial variation and a more
moderate position.

Take the NPAT yourself and ask yourself why a politician
would not take it, unless he wants to mislead the public.

http://www.vote-smart.org/match_section.php
Chose congressional voting records and find who
matches your opinions.


"Thom Stewart" wrote

Nice try Bart,

I do think it would be nice to keep Conservative's view vs Liberal's
view on the front page for awhile.

Your comments are missing? Don't you have anything to say in rebuttal?

Ole Thom

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

And, Bush doesn't talk about failing to show for his
physical. Bush is a drug addict just like his buddy
Rush.

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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
We are talking about using his record to define
where he stands. His record shows him to be
as far left as he could be.

Kerry doesn't talk about what he stands for. He
doesn't have the backbone for this. He is spineless.

"Thom Stewart" wrote

Bart,
If you're going to take congressional records, how about comparing
Kerry's record of purposed bill that have passed into laws (His success
rate) you'll find it to be higher than Cheney's. In fact among the most
successful.

Ole Thom

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Bart,

Where he stands is what will get him (Kerry) elected. That is if they
elect him by the true vote and not by Court Ruling.

As of right now; Liberalism has less shame to it than Conservatism!

A close election for sure but the Liberal side is moving ahead as the
Wacko Conservatives spout off with untruth after untruth. King George
gets a kick in the ass every time the RNP releases another unconfirmed
News release.

Just keep fueling the fire. It drives more Moderates to broad minded
mentality (as you say; Liberals)

Ole Thom

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

You're Right Felton,

Our conservatives here in this group just want to hear the propagander
from their RNP The truth isn't important.

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

Well most Americans are wising up, that is why Bush is going to win. The
Liberals just want you to think the majority thinks like they do. Liberals
are NOT the majority. American is primarily conservative. The liberals are
just concentrated around the big cities and the media.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Well, there you go folks... the average American is stupid.
But, according to the right-wing extemists such as Bart,
they're the ones going to vote for Bush in record numbers.
I think I'll vote for Kerry.

Kerry Record? Thumped!!!
 

Kerry Record????
 

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:25:08 -0500, FamilySailor wrote:

Well most Americans are wising up, that is why Bush is going to win. The
Liberals just want you to think the majority thinks like they do. Liberals
are NOT the majority. American is primarily conservative. The liberals are
just concentrated around the big cities and the media.

I guess the liberals must control all the polls, also.

http://img69.exs.cx/img69/7638/aprov...lert_chart.gif

Notice a trend? Or, how about the Electoral Vote? Primarily conservative?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Kerry Record????
 

I guess the liberals must control all the polls, also.

They weigh the poll with a majority of liberals. You must be picking polls
done by organization who lean to the left.

In less than 100 days you will see......

Kerry Record????
 

That's Bush's problem. He's no Conservative. Barry Goldwater was a
conservative. LBJ was a flaming liberal who spent every dollar he could
borrow and cancelled or delayed both military and civilian programs to fund
an idiotic war. Bush is borrowing and spending even more and cancelling or
delaying important military and civilian programs to fund an idiotic war. If
it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's a duck and when the
chips fall Bush is acting just like LBJ. Defunding medical research to
please radical christians doesn't make one a Conservative.

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...

Liberals are NOT the majority. American is primarily conservative.

Kerry Record????
 

FS,

The country isn't Liberal majority. It is also not Conservative
majority. Both a just fringes of a level headed, educated population of
democratic people, who practise self government about as well as any
people on Earth.

The Loonies from both sides are mostly political static. This discussion
group is a very good example of that static.

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's a duck

What if it don't look like a duck

Kerry Record????
 

FS,

The country isn't Liberal majority. It is also not Conservative
majority. Both a just fringes of a level headed, educated population of
democratic people, who practise self government about as well as any
people on Earth.

The Loonies from both sides are mostly political static. This discussion
group is a very good example of that static.

Ole Thom

Agreed, I like yankin chains to make the dogs bark. Well, not literally, I
treat dogs much nicer ;-)

Kerry Record????
 

You quack like a duck..... ;-)

CM

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
| If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's a duck
|
| What if it don't look like a duck
|
|

Kerry Record????
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's a duck

What if it don't look like a duck

But it does. LBJ was a liberal and a socialist. He was fiscally
irresponsible, spending money he didn't have and driving us into debt. Bush
is worse. LBJ got us into an unwinnable war. So has Bush. LBJ delayed and
cancelled critical military programs to fund his misadventure. So has Bush.
LBJ cut funds for maintaining roads, bridges and waterways. So has Bush. LBJ
sponsored a huge unaffordable welfare program for low income people. Bush
sponsored a huge unaffordable welfare program for high income people. That
makes him a bad combo of LBJ and Hitler. Al Quida and the Taliban didn't let
women learn to read because their religious beliefs forbid it. Bush won't
allow medical research because his religious beliefs forbid it.

So what do you call someone who looks like the village idiot from MAD and
combines the worst of a shreiking liberal (LBJ), Hitler and Bin Ladin?

Kerry Record????
 

So what do you call someone who looks like the village idiot from MAD and
combines the worst of a shreiking liberal (LBJ), Hitler and Bin Ladin?

How is "W" like Hitler and Bin Ladin?

Kerry Record????
 

Can't argue with the truth!
Well........ I guess liberal can!
They do here! ;-)

Kerry Record????
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
So what do you call someone who looks like the village idiot from MAD
and
combines the worst of a shreiking liberal (LBJ), Hitler and Bin Ladin?

How is "W" like Hitler and Bin Ladin?

Hitler sent hecklers to disrupt his political opponants' rallies. So does
Bush. Hitler had the legislature pass laws that allowed him to imprison
anybody HE declared an enemy of the state indefinately without trial,
lawyers or even their families' knowledge. Sound familiar yet?

Bin Ladin and other Muslim extremists forbid things that violate their
religeous scruples - like womens' rights. So does Bush. The Taliban forbid
women to learn to read for fear they'd learn that Mohammad was full of crap.
Bush ended medical programs that offered military women the knowledge that
abortion at their own expense was an option. Bush forbid Stem Cell research
that could cure some of our worst diseases because his religion thinks that
a lump of cells that don't even "know" what kind of cells they are (that's
their virtue) is a human being. Has his FDA approved the 'Morning After'
pill?

See the similarities yet?

Kerry Record????
 

Hitler sent hecklers to disrupt his political opponants' rallies. So does
Bush.

I think people just exercise their freedom like Moore did. I don't think
Bush said, hey do heckle them. Both sides have their activist and the
president could not stop them if he wanted too. It's a freedom thing.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hitler had the legislature pass laws that allowed him to imprison
anybody HE declared an enemy of the state indefinately without trial,
lawyers or even their families' knowledge. Sound familiar yet?

Nothing like after Pearl Harbor, It may have been a little extream, but we
have not had another 9-11 (yet)
He could have declaired martial law. I don't live any different. I guess
that is because I don't covort with terrorist.

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Bush ended medical programs that offered military women the knowledge that
abortion at their own expense was an option.

MAN!!! I gotta vote for that man! I may end up being pulled from the water
by a young man or woman who was not aborted because of that. And who in the
USA does not know they can get an abortion. I don't want to pay people to
recommend something I am not in favor of. Nothing was taken away.


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Bush forbid Stem Cell research
that could cure some of our worst diseases because his religion thinks
that
a lump of cells that don't even "know" what kind of cells they are (that's
their virtue) is a human being.

I thought Bush was the first pres to fund stem cell research and there are
no restrictions on stem cell research of any kind (name one), just
restrictions on government funding of certain kinds of research and since
there was no government funding prior to Bush, nothing has been restricted.
They are just given funds to advance certain types of stem cell research.
The liberal media has sucked you in.


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Has his FDA approved the 'Morning After'
pill?

MAN!!! I gotta vote for that man! I may end up being pulled from the water
by a young man or woman who was not aborted by that pill. (closed legs work
100% of the time)


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See the similarities yet?


No. There is truth and there is a very selective twisted presentation of a
few facts.
Try again.....

Kerry Record????
 

"Dave" wrote
.... in this country we try not to take money from people under threat of
jail and use that money to pay for activities that, on the basis of their
religious beliefs, they believe to be morally wrong.

Where did you come up with that silliness? If it were true, we would never
have fought ANY war because no war could have been funded. After all, there
have always been "conscientious objectors" who oppose war for religious
reasons. Did we fight those wars using private donations? No! We let
objectors serve on the front lines as corpmen but they still got drafted and
still went to war and sure as hell had to pay taxes - most of which went to
support activities their religion forbid. Those who refused to pay, or
witheld a portion of their taxes, arguing that they shouldn't have to pay
for something their religion forbid went to jail! And that's where Bush
otta be right now.

Kerry Record????
 

It is much more likely that your boat will be ransacked by an
individual, born to an un-wed mother who couldn't afford to raise (him
or her) properly. or had been "Left behind" in education and is now
unemployable.

Ransacking boats and selling the ill gotten items is the way they have
to live. They aren't well enough off to be on the water in entertainment
mode

They exist because they weren't saved from a life of crime by abortion.
Now they have to be maintained by the taxpayers (Middle class) The "BLUE
COLLAR" job they might have had disappeared oversea,

Ole Thom

Kerry Record????
 

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Hitler sent hecklers to disrupt his political opponants' rallies. So
does
Bush.

I think people just exercise their freedom like Moore did. I don't think
Bush said, hey do heckle them. Both sides have their activist and the
president could not stop them if he wanted too. It's a freedom thing.

What about the hecklers hired by Bush supporters who followed the Kerry
train from stop to stop? Sound just like Hitler's brown shirts.


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------------------
Hitler had the legislature pass laws that allowed him to imprison
anybody HE declared an enemy of the state indefinately without trial,
lawyers or even their families' knowledge. Sound familiar yet?

Nothing like after Pearl Harbor, ...

No, it's a lot WORSE than the Japanese interment. Those interred were
members of a particular national group known for Japanese patriotism. They
were interred as family groups. Their friends knew where they were and why.
They could write to people and consult attorneys. The people Bush detained
are not.

Kerry Record????
 

What about the hecklers hired by Bush supporters who followed the Kerry
train from stop to stop? Sound just like Hitler's brown shirts.

You said it. They were hired by BUSH SUPPORTERS, not Bush

Kerry Record????
 

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:51:52 -0400, "Vito" wrote:

"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Hitler sent hecklers to disrupt his political opponants' rallies. So
does
Bush.

I think people just exercise their freedom like Moore did. I don't think
Bush said, hey do heckle them. Both sides have their activist and the
president could not stop them if he wanted too. It's a freedom thing.

What about the hecklers hired by Bush supporters who followed the Kerry
train from stop to stop? Sound just like Hitler's brown shirts.

Maybe Kerry should consider taking a page out of the Dick Cheney
Democracy Playbook and require that everyone sign a loyalty oath
before they can be admitted to hear him speak.

http://www.casperstartribune.net/art...e10054e715.txt

Kerry Record????
 

Even more simple... tell them to f*ck themselves.

In article ,
felton wrote:
Maybe Kerry should consider taking a page out of the Dick Cheney
Democracy Playbook and require that everyone sign a loyalty oath
before they can be admitted to hear him speak.

http://www.casperstartribune.net/art...e10054e715.txt

Jonathan

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"If there's no wind, row."

Kerry Record????
 

It is much more likely that your boat will be ransacked by an
individual, born to an un-wed mother who couldn't afford to raise (him
or her) properly. or had been "Left behind" in education and is now
unemployable.

Ransacking boats and selling the ill gotten items is the way they have
to live. They aren't well enough off to be on the water in entertainment
mode

They exist because they weren't saved from a life of crime by abortion.
Now they have to be maintained by the taxpayers (Middle class) The "BLUE
COLLAR" job they might have had disappeared oversea,

Ole Thom

Maybe we should go ahead and carry that line of thinking to its next logical
level (Liberal logic that is). According to that line of thinking those
people in your words



(born to an un-wed mother who couldn't afford to raise (him or her)
properly. or had been "Left behind" in education and is now unemployable.)


should just have their life aborted. Same exact thing. It's the same exact
person with the same exact result (they die).



I can see it now; abort a person is down on his luck or just plain lazy and
decides to steel something to support his habit, because he don't get enough
from well-fare. Which his mother helped him get, just like her mother did,
because that is just the way the system is worked, all their friends and
family live that way, they coach them on where to go and what to put on the
forms. That is the Liberal way of helping the down trodden, instead of
helping them become productive. I need to stop, thinking about the way the
system is makes me sick to my stomach!

Kerry Record????
 

Even more simple... tell them to f*ck themselves.

I vote for that one ;-)