So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there??? Is that what
you would have done? My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly
is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much
rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from
the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him(self) from much of America with that.

I agree to a point. The other day Kerry was voicing his outrage that W
spent 7 more minutes reading to school children after being informed that
the WTC had been attacked. THAT is right out of F911. Kerry claims that
HE
would have excused himself and gotten down to business. Doing what????
What could seven minutes have allowed him to do, especially since everyone
was waiting for more info at that point. Kerry's bone of contention is a
very minor point at best, and one without any particular merit. But he
has
so little to work with this campaign that he'll jump on anything,
including
something as silly as this. But he needs to use caution: if the middle
ground folks (that vaunted "undecided" zone) think he's associated with
the
LW extremists, he could hurt himself more than help. My personal take:
Bush demonstrated calm and cool under fire. Rather than simply react, he
continued his job at hand and then left. The left loves to call
conservatives "reactionaries." Hmmm.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

. . . which is precisely what scares me most about him. With a democrat
majority in one or both houses, he could dismanted much of the good works
of
many past presidents and congresses. He could plunge us into even greater
debt at the government feeding trough for those who choose not to be
productive. He could dismantle an already abbreviated military. And he
could clog the Supreme Court with liberals for another several decades.
THAT is what scares me most. The Constitution could ultimately end up
being
as unimportant as Bill Clinton's book, God could be a word not allowed to
be
spoken in public, and Roe vs. Wade could be expanded to include children
up
to and including one year of age, if undesirable to their parents. :-o
(Sorry, there's no emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek,' but you get my drift.)

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

You really think so? That's akin to attempting to hide an elephant behind
the drapes. Only the pathologically stupid would take Kerry or Edwards
for
centrists. If they are trying to talk the centrist talk, then it's
contingent upon the Bush campaign to point out the truth.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there???

Absolutely. What was he to do that wasn't just a matter of posturing?

Is that what
you would have done?

Probably not, but I wasn't the President.

My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

I saw F911, if that's what you're asking.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I saw F911, if that's what you're asking

What was your opinion of it?

I only saw a few clips..... but it smacked of his 'Bowling for Columbine'
movie. That, I thought, was an overly simplistic view of a rather complex
problem. It seems to me he has repeated his format with F911 and brought
several valid points to light ..... doctored up with half truths and spam
fed to liberal agendas.

Nonetheless... I believe G.Bush Jr. should be removed from office for gross
incompetence. Then again Kerry comes off as quite the goof as well!

CM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I saw F911, if that's what you're asking

What was your opinion of it?

I only saw a few clips..... but it smacked of his 'Bowling for Columbine'
movie. That, I thought, was an overly simplistic view of a rather complex
problem. It seems to me he has repeated his format with F911 and brought
several valid points to light ..... doctored up with half truths and spam
fed to liberal agendas.

I found it entertaining enough to hold my interest. I fully expected to get
up and waltz out during the movie--not as a protest, but from boredom--but
did not. I did, however, find that I had to question much of the
contentions MM made. (As an aside, isn't it sad that Michael Moore is now
known as MM, rather than that siren of the 50s, Marilyn Monroe. A pity.)
So did some others watching the flick. And I, too, found his approach to
complex issues simplistic in nature, as if things were truly black and
white. But it was an amusing show. I especially liked the clips of Bush in
his various activities.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| I found it entertaining enough to hold my interest. I fully expected to
get
| up and waltz out during the movie--not as a protest, but from boredom--but
| did not. I did, however, find that I had to question much of the
| contentions MM made. (As an aside, isn't it sad that Michael Moore is now
| known as MM, rather than that siren of the 50s, Marilyn Monroe. A pity.)
| So did some others watching the flick. And I, too, found his approach to
| complex issues simplistic in nature, as if things were truly black and
| white. But it was an amusing show. I especially liked the clips of Bush
in
| his various activities.

Thanks... I guess I'll wait and see it when the novelty dies out. "Now Watch
This Putt".... you gotta love those out-takes... ;-)

CM

Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
immediately.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there???

Absolutely. What was he to do that wasn't just a matter of posturing?

Is that what
you would have done?

Probably not, but I wasn't the President.

My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

I saw F911, if that's what you're asking.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
immediately.

And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please, I'd
really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies seven
minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez could
only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
|
| Posturing? I think a reasonable response would be excuse himself
| immediately.
|
| And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please, I'd
| really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies
seven
| minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez
could
| only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

I don't know about that one Max.... it was a national emergency...... no
time to be reading to kids... even though it was only 7 minutes... it was 7
minutes too long to avoid his immediate responsibility to address his full
attention to an attack on the nation he was in charge of. Totally
unacceptable and I'm certain the kids could have done without his butchering
of yet another plot line.

Nope... he was dead wrong not to excuse himself immediatly.... everyone
including the kids would have understood.... kinda like Nero and the fiddle
while Rome burned!

CM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

| And still no one has yet given me a good reason for doing so. Please,
I'd
| really like to know why it was important for him to leave the kiddies
seven
| minutes early. At that point, the WTC had been hit twice and the Prez
could
| only stand by and watch in horror as did the rest of us.

I don't know about that one Max.... it was a national emergency...... no
time to be reading to kids... even though it was only 7 minutes... it was
7
minutes too long to avoid his immediate responsibility to address his full
attention to an attack on the nation he was in charge of. Totally
unacceptable and I'm certain the kids could have done without his
butchering
of yet another plot line.

Nope... he was dead wrong not to excuse himself immediatly.... everyone
including the kids would have understood.... kinda like Nero and the
fiddle
while Rome burned!

Your answer, while logical, was still conceptual. I'm still waiting for a
bona fide reason for bailing on the kiddies. Yeah, the kids would have
understood, but for many of them having the Prez read to them was something
they'll remember all their lives.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message

| Your answer, while logical, was still conceptual. I'm still waiting for a
| bona fide reason for bailing on the kiddies. Yeah, the kids would have
| understood, but for many of them having the Prez read to them was
something
| they'll remember all their lives.

Logical.. Yes.... Conceptual... not in the remotest meaning of the word.

Look Max... if you are the President and get told that a terrorist strike
has occurred on mainland USA in a major metropolis! Do you really think
that the first order priority would be to finish reading a children's book
for the kids??!!

That is way beyond incompetence..... that's total idiocy. Maybe 7 minutes
didn't matter this time... it might next time.... the fact of the matter is
he did not act on his immediate responsibilites... and that's the crux of
it. He showed complacency then over-reacted. This is no leader... he is a
puppet and has proven incapable of thinking for himself.

He is viewed globally as a simpleton and ridiculed for it. How blind can his
acolytes be???

It's simple... he was put in power by business [Bin Laden money as well]
....and now dances to their flute.

CM