"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him from much of America with that.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country,
at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their
man.

Max

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

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"thunder" wrote in message

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

Guess that makes both sides about even, eh?

Max

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

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"thunder" wrote in message

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 14:36:17 +0000, Bart Senior wrote:


Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced him, I'd feel a lot
better about Kerry. When he didn't I had to place him over there with
Moore. Kerry really isolated him from much of America with that.

Now, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is really scary. If Bush had
denounced
them, I'd feel a lot better about Bush. When he didn't, I had to place
him over there with Spaeth. Bush really isolated himself from much of
America with that.

Guess that makes both sides about even, eh?

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

Ah, yes, I get your point. The left-wing hate machine has been making the
right-wing version seem like a children's reading session by comparison.

Max

Nah, Bush is doing it to himself.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Not even close... the right-wing hate machine is just getting
revved up.

Ah, yes, I get your point. The left-wing hate machine has been making the
right-wing version seem like a children's reading session by comparison.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Nah, Bush is doing it to himself.

. . . with a lot of help from Michael Moore, Al Franken, Whoopie Goldberg,
Howard Dean, moveon.org, Ben Afleck, Theresa Heinz Kerry, . . . shall I
continue?

Max

"Bart Senior" wrote in message


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly
is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much
rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from
the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him(self) from much of America with that.

I agree to a point. The other day Kerry was voicing his outrage that W
spent 7 more minutes reading to school children after being informed that
the WTC had been attacked. THAT is right out of F911. Kerry claims that HE
would have excused himself and gotten down to business. Doing what????
What could seven minutes have allowed him to do, especially since everyone
was waiting for more info at that point. Kerry's bone of contention is a
very minor point at best, and one without any particular merit. But he has
so little to work with this campaign that he'll jump on anything, including
something as silly as this. But he needs to use caution: if the middle
ground folks (that vaunted "undecided" zone) think he's associated with the
LW extremists, he could hurt himself more than help. My personal take:
Bush demonstrated calm and cool under fire. Rather than simply react, he
continued his job at hand and then left. The left loves to call
conservatives "reactionaries." Hmmm.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

. . . which is precisely what scares me most about him. With a democrat
majority in one or both houses, he could dismanted much of the good works of
many past presidents and congresses. He could plunge us into even greater
debt at the government feeding trough for those who choose not to be
productive. He could dismantle an already abbreviated military. And he
could clog the Supreme Court with liberals for another several decades.
THAT is what scares me most. The Constitution could ultimately end up being
as unimportant as Bill Clinton's book, God could be a word not allowed to be
spoken in public, and Roe vs. Wade could be expanded to include children up
to and including one year of age, if undesirable to their parents. :-o
(Sorry, there's no emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek,' but you get my drift.)

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

You really think so? That's akin to attempting to hide an elephant behind
the drapes. Only the pathologically stupid would take Kerry or Edwards for
centrists. If they are trying to talk the centrist talk, then it's
contingent upon the Bush campaign to point out the truth.

Max

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there??? Is that what
you would have done? My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message


"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly
is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much
rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from
the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him(self) from much of America with that.

I agree to a point. The other day Kerry was voicing his outrage that W
spent 7 more minutes reading to school children after being informed that
the WTC had been attacked. THAT is right out of F911. Kerry claims that
HE
would have excused himself and gotten down to business. Doing what????
What could seven minutes have allowed him to do, especially since everyone
was waiting for more info at that point. Kerry's bone of contention is a
very minor point at best, and one without any particular merit. But he
has
so little to work with this campaign that he'll jump on anything,
including
something as silly as this. But he needs to use caution: if the middle
ground folks (that vaunted "undecided" zone) think he's associated with
the
LW extremists, he could hurt himself more than help. My personal take:
Bush demonstrated calm and cool under fire. Rather than simply react, he
continued his job at hand and then left. The left loves to call
conservatives "reactionaries." Hmmm.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

. . . which is precisely what scares me most about him. With a democrat
majority in one or both houses, he could dismanted much of the good works
of
many past presidents and congresses. He could plunge us into even greater
debt at the government feeding trough for those who choose not to be
productive. He could dismantle an already abbreviated military. And he
could clog the Supreme Court with liberals for another several decades.
THAT is what scares me most. The Constitution could ultimately end up
being
as unimportant as Bill Clinton's book, God could be a word not allowed to
be
spoken in public, and Roe vs. Wade could be expanded to include children
up
to and including one year of age, if undesirable to their parents. :-o
(Sorry, there's no emoticon for 'tongue-in-cheek,' but you get my drift.)

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

You really think so? That's akin to attempting to hide an elephant behind
the drapes. Only the pathologically stupid would take Kerry or Edwards
for
centrists. If they are trying to talk the centrist talk, then it's
contingent upon the Bush campaign to point out the truth.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

So, you think it was ok for him to just sit there???

Absolutely. What was he to do that wasn't just a matter of posturing?

Is that what
you would have done?

Probably not, but I wasn't the President.

My pet goat seems like it rises to his
level of an urgent national matter. Have you seen the film of
him? He looked like a deer in the headlights.

I saw F911, if that's what you're asking.

Max