Read it again Doug, only some of the men wrote his
performance reports. And you admited yourself the
performance reporting system was inflated.

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:
Your allegation that they were lying either then or now
is a weak argument.

No, it is a tautology.

The same men say two opposite things. There is a 30 year interval, sure,
but that does not change the nature of their statements. Either they
were lying then, or lying now.

They *must* be liberals, Bart!

DSK

Bart Senior wrote:
Read it again Doug, only some of the men wrote his
performance reports.

Ok, some of them were lying then, or lying now.

... And you admited yourself the
performance reporting system was inflated.

Yes it was, and probably still is. However there is a HUGE difference, a
fundamental difference, between inflated reports and what they are now
saying about Kerry. A difference so monumental that they were either
lying then, or lying now.

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of falsehood?

DSK

A faith that cannot survive collision with the truth is not worth many
regrets.
--Arthur C. Clarke

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of falsehood?

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist. They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not. And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served
and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
. net...
And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist. They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not. And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote

In short: lies , more lies, and more liars. If Bush & Cheney are so
great, then why does their support rest on such a foundation of
falsehood?

I could say the same about Kerry and F-911.

What you've ignored, Bart, is that the left-wing radicals, such as Doug,
believe everything in F911, despite the substantial evidence that it is
little more than distorted and dishonest propaganda.

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.

You are obviously no student of human nature, Jon. Have you forgotten all
the flak Clinton took during his 8 years? Do you honestly believe Rush
Limbaugh will be "silent" following a Kerry victory? LOL.

Max

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:09:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Kerry served his country in VN. Bush barely served

He was a fighter pilot, dumbass. It takes years of training to become
a pilot, you stupid dumbass.

and didn't bother to show up for his physical. We're
still waiting to hear from Bush about that. Apparently,
he's not got much he wants to tell us. He was a weak
governer and is a terrible president. He and his father
can share the glory of being one-term presidents.


He was an excellant governor, and an excellant president, especially
in time of a crisis. And he was an excellant businessman. You're
just a gay liberal, who can't accept the truth.


Here's my prediction: After Kerry wins in November,
you and your right-wing wacko friends will be totally
silent.


Here's my prediction: After George W. Bush wins reelection, you put
the muzzle of a gun in your mouth, and put us out of your misery.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

And they want to believe Kerry is not an extremist
liberal when the facts show he is. They will accept bias
voting record information over the polls of numerous
groups.

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric
coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

They
don't want to accept that fact that he is a liberal. Not
proud of it, and wants to paint hmself as something he
is not.

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He
certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

And he wants to run on a shaky war record, like
he is some kind of a hero, when he cowardly bailed out
after only four months of combat duty.

This is what I find so scary, as do so many others.

GWB is having a tough enough time. He needs our
support, and four more years to accomplish something.
We don't need to change watch now.

It's double or nothing.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country, at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their man.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

I don't really believe Kerry is an extremist liberal, but he certainly is
about as far left as anyone in the Senate these days, by virtue of his
voting record. That said, he has a long way to go to be as extreme as
Michael Moore. But in this particular campaign there is so much rhetoric

I was comparing Kerry to his cohorts in Congress.
You are right, he is nowhere as extremist as Moore.

coming from the far left--Kerry really has not distanced himself from the
likes of Moore, Franken, and Dean--that it is easy to equate the
Kerry/Edwards campaign with the extremists.
]
Now Moore is really scary. If Kerry has denounced
him, I'd feel a lot better about Kerry. When he didn't
I had to place him over there with Moore. Kerry really
isolated him from much of America with that.

The numerous groups who track voting records look
at the entire bill being voted on and then access whether
it is good or bad for that particular group. And they
give a rating of 0 to 100. Kerry popped out as tied at
one extreme with 93. That makes him extremist.

It makes him ostensibly the most liberal senator, but an extremist?

If he is at one extreme in the Senate, then how far to the left
would he go if unchecked? Since he won't declare his position,
or take the NPAT test, we have no idea what he will do!

It would be tough to paint Kerry as anything other than a liberal. He

That is what they are trying to do. It's funny because hear we have
a man, that is extremely liberal, who won the party nominiation
because of this, and yet tries to hide it.

certainly is no centrist, nor is John E. This is the most liberal ticket
the democrats have had since McGovern.

Traditionally liberals have a tough time getting elected in this country,
at
least since LBJ. Even Clinton saw this and placed his campaign rhetoric
only slightly left of center. Kerry simply has too much baggage to pass
himself off as a centrist. He is a liberal, and he seems to make no bones
about it. If one is for bigger government and higher taxes, he's their
man.

Max