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Oh, well that I agree with!

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

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You may be right Thom.
Here's what A.Einstein said about technology: "the price of technology is
trouble."
Ain't it the truth?
I tend to think folks from the past would be in awe of our technology; I
also believe they would pity us, for other reasons.
Scout


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Scout,

Old Josh would scoff at anything with an electrical power supply. We
forget, in our new world of information, that in Josh's world the dry
cell battery was a pure PITA.

Katy talks about no computer and using a IBM electric and snail mail. I
remember sending out the monthly bill payments by check, envelope and
three cent stamps. All for a cost of less than 50 cents!

We've come a long way but we do pay a terrible monetry price.

What we accept as normal today would definitely be scoff at by past
generations.
I'm not sure scoff is the right word. Pity comes to mind,

Ole Thom

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whatever do you mean, he had a gps! (provided the sky was clear)
Scout

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Oh, well that I agree with!

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

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If here were here I'd borrow these paraphrased words from Sir I. Newton to
thank him: what {we} know, we stood on the shoulders of giants to find out.
Scout


wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

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Bill,

You're right. It is amassing just how much they got right with what
those GIANTS had to go on.
Flat Earth
Sun and Stars revolving around earth
Dragons all around them
4 cornered Earth
Just to mention a few.
The Mayan's centuries ago said that the end of our time would end in
2012. I won't be here to witness it but if I was a betting man I'm not
to sure I'd bet against it. Not with all they got right. They also got a
lot wrong. It took mental giants to know the difference.

OT

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Bill??
Dis here be Scout!

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Bill,

You're right. It is amassing just how much they got right with what
those GIANTS had to go on.
Flat Earth
Sun and Stars revolving around earth
Dragons all around them
4 cornered Earth
Just to mention a few.
The Mayan's centuries ago said that the end of our time would end in
2012. I won't be here to witness it but if I was a betting man I'm not
to sure I'd bet against it. Not with all they got right. They also got a
lot wrong. It took mental giants to know the difference.

OT

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Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom

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Yeh, I had similar. The first modem I bought was $450 and was good
up to 1200 baud. I thought it was a fantastic deal and quite cutting
edge at the time. (I had been using the expensive crap at work.) My
first HD was a whopping 17 megs. That also cost about $500. Nothing
but trouble. It was external since I couldn't fit in the box, but the cables
were a couple of inches too long and it was always flaking due to
signal degradation.

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"Michael" wrote in message
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Kaypro with 65K and 300 baud modem. Hard drive was separate and as big as
a
shoebox.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Well that figures.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 23 Jul 2004 12:23:06 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:28:21 GMT, "Scout"
said:

My first connection was just 1200 bps (bulletin boards).

Ah, such a child. My first was at the then state of the art speed of
300.


The first time I connected to the internet with my OWN computer, was a
Commodore VIC-20, at 300 baud.





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You have to touch it?? You have to say it? I would prefer to just
think it. :-)

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"Michael" wrote in message
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First high capacity hard drive our store sold was to a programmer. His
business ponied up a bit over a $1,000 for it. How much capacity? 80MB.
That's it. Myfirst computer, the Kaypro had 64K RAM and two DSDD 360k FD.
One more. Our store was the first in the state to sell laser printers for
under $1,000 and our first full bed b&w scanner was purchased wholesale to
us for about the same amount. And the original Kaypro with daisy wheel
for
the nice stuff and dot matrix wide carraige ran $2,000 for everything.
That
was in 1983, just 21 years ago. We had the first BB in our store on a 20mb
HD. Not much but it got folks started. Phone company wanted to charge us
an extra line and by the minute. But they were up for franchise renewal,
had Sprint to compete with and I was on the city council. . . . . . .

Now my wris****ch has more computing power than that first Kaypro ....

What's next insight? A badge or somethingsimilar. You touch it and say,
"Computer!"


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeh, I had similar. The first modem I bought was $450 and was good
up to 1200 baud. I thought it was a fantastic deal and quite cutting
edge at the time. (I had been using the expensive crap at work.) My
first HD was a whopping 17 megs. That also cost about $500. Nothing
but trouble. It was external since I couldn't fit in the box, but the
cables
were a couple of inches too long and it was always flaking due to
signal degradation.

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"Michael" wrote in message
...
Kaypro with 65K and 300 baud modem. Hard drive was separate and as
big
as
a
shoebox.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Well that figures.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 23 Jul 2004 12:23:06 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:28:21 GMT, "Scout"

said:

My first connection was just 1200 bps (bulletin boards).

Ah, such a child. My first was at the then state of the art speed
of
300.


The first time I connected to the internet with my OWN computer,
was
a
Commodore VIC-20, at 300 baud.





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That's exactly it Thom!
I'm stuck here, remodeling the house in order to sell it. I'm sick of
drywall and spackle, plumbing, installing new windows, staining, painting,
wiring, blah blah blah. I just want to have fun, but here I am.
Scout.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:33:50 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You have to touch it?? You have to say it? I would prefer to just
think it. :-)


With what?





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Did you find a house yet? Berks Co.? Plowville area?


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"Scout" wrote in message
...
That's exactly it Thom!
I'm stuck here, remodeling the house in order to sell it. I'm sick of
drywall and spackle, plumbing, installing new windows, staining, painting,
wiring, blah blah blah. I just want to have fun, but here I am.
Scout.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom

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We're hoping for next May. We liked a lot of the Berks area, closer to where
my wife is working. Chester County looks good too, and western Montgomery
isn't out of the question. We just aren't sure, but we keep looking. The
prices are outrageous. In the meantime, I'm working on this place so I can
get top dollar. I own it and hate the thoughts of a new mortgage. My wife is
housestruck though, and wants a mansion. I want a simple place with land.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you find a house yet? Berks Co.? Plowville area?


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"Scout" wrote in message
...
That's exactly it Thom!
I'm stuck here, remodeling the house in order to sell it. I'm sick of
drywall and spackle, plumbing, installing new windows, staining,
painting,
wiring, blah blah blah. I just want to have fun, but here I am.
Scout.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom

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I know this is a problem for you. The rest of us have and use our brains.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:33:50 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

You have to touch it?? You have to say it? I would prefer to just
think it. :-)


With what?





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They keep saying that.... sigh...

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"Michael" wrote in message
...
Add a decade or so . . ..

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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You have to touch it?? You have to say it? I would prefer to just
think it. :-)

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"Michael" wrote in message
...
First high capacity hard drive our store sold was to a programmer. His
business ponied up a bit over a $1,000 for it. How much capacity?
80MB.
That's it. Myfirst computer, the Kaypro had 64K RAM and two DSDD 360k
FD.
One more. Our store was the first in the state to sell laser printers
for
under $1,000 and our first full bed b&w scanner was purchased
wholesale
to
us for about the same amount. And the original Kaypro with daisy
wheel
for
the nice stuff and dot matrix wide carraige ran $2,000 for everything.
That
was in 1983, just 21 years ago. We had the first BB in our store on a
20mb
HD. Not much but it got folks started. Phone company wanted to
charge
us
an extra line and by the minute. But they were up for franchise
renewal,
had Sprint to compete with and I was on the city council. . . . . . .

Now my wris****ch has more computing power than that first Kaypro ....

What's next insight? A badge or somethingsimilar. You touch it and
say,
"Computer!"


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeh, I had similar. The first modem I bought was $450 and was good
up to 1200 baud. I thought it was a fantastic deal and quite cutting
edge at the time. (I had been using the expensive crap at work.) My
first HD was a whopping 17 megs. That also cost about $500. Nothing
but trouble. It was external since I couldn't fit in the box, but
the
cables
were a couple of inches too long and it was always flaking due to
signal degradation.

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"Michael" wrote in message
...
Kaypro with 65K and 300 baud modem. Hard drive was separate and
as
big
as
a
shoebox.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Well that figures.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 23 Jul 2004 12:23:06 -0500, Dave wrote
this
crap:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:28:21 GMT, "Scout"

said:

My first connection was just 1200 bps (bulletin boards).

Ah, such a child. My first was at the then state of the art
speed
of
300.


The first time I connected to the internet with my OWN
computer,
was
a
Commodore VIC-20, at 300 baud.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:28:27 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I know this is a problem for you. The rest of us have and use our brains.


But what do you use?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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In article ,
Scout wrote:

We're hoping for next May. We liked a lot of the Berks area, closer to where
my wife is working. Chester County looks good too, and western Montgomery
isn't out of the question. We just aren't sure, but we keep looking. The
prices are outrageous. In the meantime, I'm working on this place so I can
get top dollar. I own it and hate the thoughts of a new mortgage. My wife is
housestruck though, and wants a mansion. I want a simple place with land.
Scout

Yes! Do it. My last place was a 6 BR 3 bath place, 54 squares over 3
storeys in suburbia. Built it myself, took years and was a PITA. Not a
lot went wrong after it was finished coz I knew who was gonna maintain
it but still - just the general maintenance........

My current place is a small 2 BR cottage on 3.5 acres that I've also
built meself. Nearly finished including the small attached machine shop
so I have somewhere to play on cold wet days.

Build as small as you can get away with. You can always extend in a few
years.

PDW

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Scott Vernon wrote:
"Horvath" wrote

I remember not even having a computer and using an IBM Selectric to write
mail for the snail to deliver. at - .00015 baud....


Lucky *******. I couldn't afford such technology. I had to use
something called a pencil, or if I could afford it, I bought ink for
my quill.


Oh brother. I had to use a Mastodon bone on a cave wall. There, that should
end this thread.


Greasy hand marks on barn door?

Cheers

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"Nav" wrote


Greasy hand marks on barn door?

Just at the latch.

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"The rest of us...." which word don't you understand?

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:28:27 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I know this is a problem for you. The rest of us have and use our brains.


But what do you use?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:01:45 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

"The rest of us...." which word don't you understand?

I'm just trying to figger out what you use for brains.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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I know, that's tough for you isn't it.... but please,
don't attempt to figger me. I like women.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:01:45 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

"The rest of us...." which word don't you understand?

I'm just trying to figger out what you use for brains.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:02:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I know, that's tough for you isn't it.... but please,
don't attempt to figger me. I like women.


That's not what your boyfriend says.





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That's funny, because you've been saying you're gay
for months.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:02:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I know, that's tough for you isn't it.... but please,
don't attempt to figger me. I like women.


That's not what your boyfriend says.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:58:33 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

That's funny, because you've been saying you're gay
for months.


I've been saying that you are gay. Your own posts prove your gayness.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Yes, we know you're gay. You don't have to keep telling us.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:58:33 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

That's funny, because you've been saying you're gay
for months.


I've been saying that I'm gay. My own posts prove my gayness.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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Old? You want old???? The first words I heard were "Let there be earth."

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Horvath" wrote

I remember not even having a computer and using an IBM Selectric to
write
mail for the snail to deliver. at - .00015 baud....


Lucky *******. I couldn't afford such technology. I had to use
something called a pencil, or if I could afford it, I bought ink for
my quill.

Oh brother. I had to use a Mastodon bone on a cave wall. There, that
should
end this thread.

SV

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The post in this thread that listed software to speed up the
cellphone/laptop/internet connection speed is not on my server anymore.
Anyone remember the name of that software?

M.

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Nope I was after galaxies and before earth right about the time of water
.....


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:
Old? You want old???? The first words I heard were "Let there be
earth."

I guess you weren't there when the same Voice said, "Shucks, this is
boring" and Ol Thom suggested making a few galaxies just to see what
would happen.

DSK

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Blues Brothers II?
"Scout" wrote in message
...
I remember when they turned on the light.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Old? You want old???? The first words I heard were "Let there be
earth."

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Horvath" wrote

I remember not even having a computer and using an IBM Selectric to
write
mail for the snail to deliver. at - .00015 baud....


Lucky *******. I couldn't afford such technology. I had to use
something called a pencil, or if I could afford it, I bought ink for
my quill.

Oh brother. I had to use a Mastodon bone on a cave wall. There, that
should
end this thread.

SV

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Michael wrote:
Old? You want old???? The first words I heard were "Let there be earth."

I guess you weren't there when the same Voice said, "Shucks, this is
boring" and Ol Thom suggested making a few galaxies just to see what
would happen.

DSK

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I remember when they turned on the light.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Old? You want old???? The first words I heard were "Let there be earth."

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Horvath" wrote

I remember not even having a computer and using an IBM Selectric to
write
mail for the snail to deliver. at - .00015 baud....


Lucky *******. I couldn't afford such technology. I had to use
something called a pencil, or if I could afford it, I bought ink for
my quill.

Oh brother. I had to use a Mastodon bone on a cave wall. There, that
should
end this thread.

SV

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Michael wrote:
Nope I was after galaxies and before earth right about the time of water

I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...

DSK

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Did he have workers comp and liability insurance?

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Michael wrote:
Nope I was after galaxies and before earth right about the time of water

I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...

DSK

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St. Michael is the patron saint of paratroopers. The rest follow in
descending order.

"katysails" wrote in message
...
There are 7 archangels: Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Barachiel, beatiel, and
Mehudiel...You'll have to guess which one I am....

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:24:07 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Michael wrote:
Nope I was after galaxies and before earth right about the time of water

I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...


But I did give you my best shovel.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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I remember the question; " more ashes or dust?' and I heard and aswer; "
what the difference he's going to sail a real old C&C.

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I didn't sell you the best one.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:24:07 -0400, DSK wrote
this crap:

Michael wrote:
Nope I was after galaxies and before earth right about the time of
water

I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...


But I did give you my best shovel.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

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I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...

DSK

And I watched from the pearly gates, since I'm really a re-incarnated
archangel....helped kick the "bad" ones down the ladder....

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:49:29 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

I was keeping quiet and minding my own business... then when God decided
to create the Earth, next thing ya know He handed me a shovel...

DSK

And I watched from the pearly gates, since I'm really a re-incarnated
archangel....helped kick the "bad" ones down the ladder....


Really? How many archangels are there? And what are their names?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!