Oh.... heck here Loco go see for yourself.
Have a look at the 'Sail By' shot....

http://community.webshots.com/album/69840614isQSVe

LOL. I see a boat with a full chute and no bow wave. Yea that tank is fast
downwind.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message

| LOL. I see a boat with a full chute and no bow wave. Yea that tank is
fast
| downwind.

Oh so now you lay claim to a bow wave in light air???
What's next... claims of a water ballet in 30kts??

Bwahahahahahahaaaa

CM

Oh so now you lay claim to a bow wave in light air???.

Damn right. If my chute is up and drawing, like the one in the photo your so
proud of, my boat will have a little bow wave and we would be moving. The only
time my boat is not moving is when the chute is hanging.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.
Tell us how fast you sail with a chute in 5 kts of wind???

CM


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Oh so now you lay claim to a bow wave in light air???.
|
| Damn right. If my chute is up and drawing, like the one in the photo your
so
| proud of, my boat will have a little bow wave and we would be moving. The
only
| time my boat is not moving is when the chute is hanging.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Capt. Mooron wrote:
A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.

You need to get out more.

Tell us how fast you sail with a chute in 5 kts of wind???

Probably somewhere around 4 knots. I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
apparent wind).

Fresh Breezes... really!
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
| Probably somewhere around 4 knots. I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
| or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
| apparent wind).

That must be one of those new radical Mac26M designs..... I understand they
can exceed the wind speed...apparent or not.

Nonetheless..... 5kts speed in 5 knots wind on an Express 30?? Bow Wave??
Think again. Maybe an International 14.

CM

"DSK" wrote
| ... I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
| or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
| apparent wind).


Capt. Mooron wrote:
That must be one of those new radical Mac26M designs..... I understand they
can exceed the wind speed...apparent or not.

Yeah, but the engine running kinda spoils that nice quiet peaceful effect.


Nonetheless..... 5kts speed in 5 knots wind on an Express 30??

That's not what I said. I don't think an Express 30 is going to hit 5 kt
in 5 knots true. Maybe.

... Bow Wave??
Think again. Maybe an International 14.

Or a Frers 30, or an Olson 30, or a Schock 30 GP, or a Quest 30, or a
Soverel 30, or a Santana 30, J-29, Laser 28... lots of boats. And that's
racer/cruisers, not getting into the race-only boats like the Melges 30,
J-90, or the Mumm 30. Or any multihulls

There's a whole world of non-crab-crushers out there. Not to say that
crab-crushers are bad, but you've got an eye-opening experience coming
if you think that a keel boat cannot make a bow wave off the wind in
light air.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

We regularly sail faster than true wind at wind speeds of 4-6 knots on a
broad reach with the gennaker. It's not at all unusual in performance
yachts and almost a boring fact of life for big cats.

Cheers

DSK wrote:

Capt. Mooron wrote:

A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that
line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.


You need to get out more.

Tell us how fast you sail with a chute in 5 kts of wind???


Probably somewhere around 4 knots. I know of boats that can sail at 5.5
or better, with a spinnaker, in 5 knots of true wind (hint... think
apparent wind).

Fresh Breezes... really!
Doug King

"Nav" wrote in message
...
| We regularly sail faster than true wind at wind speeds of 4-6 knots on a
| broad reach with the gennaker. It's not at all unusual in performance
| yachts and almost a boring fact of life for big cats.

Oh yeah... those 'performance' yachts and their deadly gennakers.....
woooooo!!
Doing 6 knots in 6kts of wind..... man that must be one slippery ocean! ;-)

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

A BOW WAVE!!!! Come on Loco..... don't expect us to swallow that line of
hogwash. I've never seen more than a ripple from any vessel downwind in
light air.

The only possible explanation for this observation -and we all know CM
doesn't exaggerate about things (except maybe his sexual prowess) is
that the boats he observed _must_ have been sailing away from him!

Bwhahahhahahahahahah

Cheers