Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message

| That'll no doubt explain the design of all off shore monohull racing
| yachts...

Don't you have a propeller to untangle so you can motor into the bay despite
a nice breeze? ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message

| That explains a lot. How did you get such a gift PHRF -by winning races?

Cripes Nav.... look at the numbers on boat calc.... at 292 I'm at the Heavy
Crusier Class threshold.

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message
| But you've never sailed faster than windspeed. By the way, when you you
| going to get your defective log fixed?

Nothing to fix on the log... nor the rope. Why do you ask. ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| you don't know which year/model Doug was talking about, do ya?

Oh Crap... there I go again! I keep forgetting about that!

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...
| We regularly sail faster than true wind at wind speeds of 4-6 knots on a
| broad reach with the gennaker. It's not at all unusual in performance
| yachts and almost a boring fact of life for big cats.

Oh yeah... those 'performance' yachts and their deadly gennakers.....
woooooo!!
Doing 6 knots in 6kts of wind..... man that must be one slippery ocean! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message
| The only possible explanation for this observation -and we all know CM
| doesn't exaggerate about things (except maybe his sexual prowess) is
| that the boats he observed _must_ have been sailing away from him!
|
| Bwhahahhahahahahahah

Is that when you are exceeding wind speed by doing 4 knots in only 2 knots
of wind with your gennaker??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Soooooooo jealous.......... :P

Cheers

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Nav" wrote in message
...
| We regularly sail faster than true wind at wind speeds of 4-6 knots on a
| broad reach with the gennaker. It's not at all unusual in performance
| yachts and almost a boring fact of life for big cats.

Oh yeah... those 'performance' yachts and their deadly gennakers.....
woooooo!!
Doing 6 knots in 6kts of wind..... man that must be one slippery ocean! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
| The only possible explanation for this observation -and we all know CM
| doesn't exaggerate about things (except maybe his sexual prowess) is
| that the boats he observed _must_ have been sailing away from him!
|
| Bwhahahhahahahahahah

Is that when you are exceeding wind speed by doing 4 knots in only 2 knots
of wind with your gennaker??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha


No, it's when you don't see a bow wave sailing downwind.

Bwhahhahahahahah

Cheers

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"DSK" wrote
| Heck, a Soverel 33 will move at 4 or 5 knots in almost no wind at all,
| if well sailed. Maybe it's just making a ripple IYHO? Just a few
| weekends ago I watched a Kirie Elite 30-something (looked to be about 35
| feet) and a C&C 34+ tearing around the racecourse in winds of about 3
| knots and chop.


Capt. Mooron wrote:
The hell you say..... 4 or 5 kts in no wind!!! Okay Doug.... put down the
Jack Daniels and back away from the bar!! ;-)

No booze involved, not even American beer. The Soverel 33 is renowned as
a light-air speedster though, probably not a fair comparison. They make
a wake you can hear from 1/2 mile off on days when the wind is barely
enough to disturb cigarette smoke.


I have no experience with the Kirie Elite but I have been on a C&C 34 in
Vancouver. There is no way a C&C 34 can be described as "tearing around" at
3 knots... even with no chop!

It wasn't a C&C 34, it was the 34/36+ (or it might have been the 34/36
XL, not sure). Like this

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1193723

The boat rates around 90 PHRF, in other words more than a minute per
mile faster than your boat.


| Yeah, there's that. But when the boat reaches some significant percent
| of hull speed, it's going to making waves not ripples.

Okay let's explore that point.... down wind with the wave train at let's
average it about a 2ft wave height and a 6 ft between crests. The boat is
doing lets say half an average hull speed [6kts]... on a dead downwind
run....so we'll call it 3 kts speed.

Huh??? That's not at all how it works. The wave-making resistance of a
hull increases with her speed in proportion to her Froude number, which
is a fairly complex derivative.

But let's make it simple... a hull with a 30' waterline has a "hull
speed" of 7.3 knots... meaning that at that speed, the crests of her
wave train will be 30' apart and she will require tremendous amounts of
increased applied power to go faster. At roughly 2/3 that speed, or 4.4
knots, she will be making waves of half her waterline length.

They may not be very high but the bow wave will certainly have a curl or
breaking crest, the stern wave probably will too (although it's a well
regarded feature of "fast" boats to leave low & clean stern waves).

Now bump the speed down a notch or two... only ripples? Sorry, you need
to pay closer attention... stop sneaking beer into the classroom and put
down that girly magazine! Anyway, depending on the hull of course,
there's no way a displacement boat is going to move at 1/2 or even 1/3
of her hull speed, when wave-making resistance is definitely a factor,
and make "only ripples." Small waves... OK but not ripples.

Jack Daniels? You can have my share... I've been hiding a bottle of
single malt in the desk...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Wow CM!!

Great Slave Lake!! Oh Boy, what a Racing Venue!! Commissnr Cup?
Commissioner of what? The Hockey League? How long is the Racing Season?
A week an a half?

Hey "Nook Nack of the North" How in the hell did you ever get the
Nordica unto the Great Slave? That would be a story worth hearing.

I know the Nordica is built right here in Bellingham,Wa. Did you take
delivery on the Lake? How did you get her to the "Maritines"? I sure
would like to hear about it? Beat the hell out of this political BS.

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Wow CM!!

Great Slave Lake!! Oh Boy, what a Racing Venue!! Commissnr Cup?
Commissioner of what? The Hockey League? How long is the Racing Season?
A week an a half?

Hey "Nook Nack of the North" How in the hell did you ever get the
Nordica unto the Great Slave? That would be a story worth hearing.

He was drunk, looking for the Gulf Stream and made a wrong turn.

SV

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
| Wow CM!!
|
| Great Slave Lake!! Oh Boy, what a Racing Venue!! Commissnr Cup?
| Commissioner of what? The Hockey League? How long is the Racing Season?
| A week an a half?

They race from lift in around June 5th when the ice is clear enough to
launch until October when the ice starts to form again. Commissioner of the
Northwest Territories. The Race used to be held in September when I raced
it... they changed it to July due to the amount of vessels suffering storm
damage. It was written up in Readers Digest and a few Canadian Sail
Magazines. It's common for the winds to be around 30+ kts. and temps around
0c to10c. It's a 3 day race... 4 legs...240 nautical mile round trip....
most of it in gale conditions. I've got my name on the Cup twice.

|
| Hey "Nook Nack of the North" How in the hell did you ever get the
| Nordica unto the Great Slave? That would be a story worth hearing.

It's Nanook {Inuktitut for Polar Bear]. Bought the boat in Ottawa, Canada,
for 55K and had it trucked to Yellowknife for 7K. Put a new engine in 2
years later for 8K and a year later new suit of canvas and a spinnaker for
8K. Since then I've pumped another 10K into the boat in hardware, toys,
running rigging and electronics. I lived aboard for 9 years in Great Slave
Lake. The boat has an Espar Furnace. It's a very comfortable vessel.

| I know the Nordica is built right here in Bellingham,Wa. Did you take
| delivery on the Lake? How did you get her to the "Maritines"? I sure
| would like to hear about it? Beat the hell out of this political BS.

Nope Thom... the boat was built in Canada in Exceter Ontario. The company
folded after a few years. They made a line of vessels... 16ft, 20ft and
30ft. You are thinking of the Nordic Line. Different boat.

I got her to the maritimes by truck 12K... the only other option is the
Mackenzie River but I can't get past the rapids at Fort Good Hope to access
the Beaufort Sea and Northwest Passage.

If you are interested:

Have a look for yourself..... http://www.nordicaboats.com/index.html

...and here as well........
http://community.webshots.com/album/69840614isQSVe

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:

|
| Hey "Nook Nack of the North" How in the hell did you ever get the
| Nordica unto the Great Slave? That would be a story worth hearing.

It's Nanook {Inuktitut for Polar Bear]. Bought the boat in Ottawa, Canada,
for 55K and had it trucked to Yellowknife for 7K.

As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now explained.

:P

Cheers

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Donal" wrote in message

| The opposite is true. Going upwind, my lack of momentum means that the
| waves slow me down, whereas you would be able to maintain your 4.5 kts.

So a chop slows you down heh??..... that's a darned shame. Anywind over 10
kts will put me at a comfortable 5.5 to 6 kts upwind. Okay... it does take
me a few more minutes to get up to speed.


|
| Going downwind, however, would be an entirely different matter. You
| wouldn't see me for dust! Your pathetic little crab crusher would be
| bouncing around in the waves while I would be surfing away - at high
speed!

Yes I've heard this type of bravado before.... generally from the
docksiders. The few who have sufficient moxy to test that theory.......
are tuned into the reality of the fact that Overproof is extremely fast
downwind. Much faster than most boats her size and larger.


| Bwahahahaha! Pull the other one - it's got bells on! Delivery trips on
| the back of a truck don't count. Speed over ground doesn't count either.

Lets see... 36 kts wind.... gusting to 45kts.... I left the entire fleet
2 miles behind in an 11 mile stretch. That included a Fraiser 42 and a
Niagara 35..... the Contessa 32 was so far back as not to count. I started
that race as the last vessel to cross the start line and the first to cross
the finish.
Confirmed speed with bearing/bearing on a Datascope, GPS, Log, Radar and
Chrono. Lots of witnesses.



| I can just imagine Ellen Mc Arthur sailing around the world in a crab
| crusher?????

She would if she didn't have all the electronic gizmos, weather routing and
rescue on standby. That's not a slight on her ability... she's a formidable
sailor.... it's just the boat she has to sail. Not because it's a better
boat.... it's a single purpose craft and shouldn't even be entered into the
equation.

15 ft draft, movable water ballast, wing finlets and they call it a fin
keeler... PAH!

|
| Really,... Mooron, you need to get a grip on reality. When was the last
| time that a crab crusher took part in a "Round the World" race?

Reality is for People who can't handle drugs. As for the race... read above
and understand they are not all downwind. .

Suck It Up Donal!

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message

| As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now explained.
|
| :P

Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"DSK" wrote in message
| No booze involved, not even American beer. The Soverel 33 is renowned as
| a light-air speedster though, probably not a fair comparison. They make
| a wake you can hear from 1/2 mile off on days when the wind is barely
| enough to disturb cigarette smoke.

Yeah Doug...and I can drink a keg of beer and not fall down.


| It wasn't a C&C 34, it was the 34/36+ (or it might have been the 34/36
| XL, not sure). Like this

Mumble Mumble...Gr-r-r-r....damn models and yearly changes... I swear they
just do it to **** me off!
|
|
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1193723
|
| The boat rates around 90 PHRF, in other words more than a minute per
| mile faster than your boat.

Oddly enough I don't see a bow wave on that vessel either.


| Huh??? That's not at all how it works. The wave-making resistance of a
| hull increases with her speed in proportion to her Froude number, which
| is a fairly complex derivative.

That's not going to overcome friction/displacement and allow for a speed
faster than the wind pushing you is it? Even on plane I doubt a boat will
exceed wind speed. That would border on the perpetual motion theory.

|
| But let's make it simple... a hull with a 30' waterline has a "hull
| speed" of 7.3 knots... meaning that at that speed, the crests of her
| wave train will be 30' apart and she will require tremendous amounts of
| increased applied power to go faster. At roughly 2/3 that speed, or 4.4
| knots, she will be making waves of half her waterline length.

Now that's odd..... hull speed is a figure of the hull's shape and wetted
surface. In other words the limit the boat can theoretically make at optimum
speed without beginning to push water. After that 'speed' has been attained
the force required to surpass it requires exponentially more force. At least
that's how it was explained to me in my youth.

| They may not be very high but the bow wave will certainly have a curl or
| breaking crest, the stern wave probably will too (although it's a well
| regarded feature of "fast" boats to leave low & clean stern waves).

Obviously we have a difference in interpretation of a wave here Doug. I
consider a six inch 'bow wave' as nothing more than a ripple. A bow wave is
when you have water curling off the bow. Upwind it's far easier to effect
this than downwind. I'm certain you've experienced the feeling of a heavy
boat cleaving a large wave on a downwind run and sending tons of water
aside.

|
| Now bump the speed down a notch or two... only ripples? Sorry, you need
| to pay closer attention... stop sneaking beer into the classroom and put
| down that girly magazine! Anyway, depending on the hull of course,
| there's no way a displacement boat is going to move at 1/2 or even 1/3
| of her hull speed, when wave-making resistance is definitely a factor,
| and make "only ripples." Small waves... OK but not ripples.

I can move Overproof downwind easily at half her hull speed in 5 knots of
wind and only see ripples... not waves.

| Jack Daniels? You can have my share... I've been hiding a bottle of
| single malt in the desk...

I found a bottle of cheap champagne in my cooler..... rum on Friday! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message

| As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now explained.
|
| :P

Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)

No, mine is accurate to 0.1 knot. Is yours?

Cheers

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| "Nav" wrote in message
|
| | As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now explained.
| |
| | :P
|
| Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)
|
| No, mine is accurate to 0.1 knot. Is yours?

If mine was as accurate as yours... I'd be sailing 4 kts faster on
Overproof. ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| "Nav" wrote in message
|
| | As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now explained.
| |
| | :P
|
| Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)
|
| No, mine is accurate to 0.1 knot. Is yours?

If mine was as accurate as yours... I'd be sailing 4 kts faster on
Overproof. ;-)


Yes, an accurate sensitive log would help you trim your sails properly!

:P

Cheers

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Overproof is extremely fast
downwind. Much faster than most boats her size and larger.

ROFLOL .............. Impossible. No full keeler is "extreemly fast"
downwind.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

In article , Capt. Mooron
wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
| No booze involved, not even American beer. The Soverel 33 is renowned as
| a light-air speedster though, probably not a fair comparison. They make
| a wake you can hear from 1/2 mile off on days when the wind is barely
| enough to disturb cigarette smoke.

Yeah Doug...and I can drink a keg of beer and not fall down.

If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
anyone would bother.....

PDW

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

You're trying to tell me you don't like Coors????

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Capt. Mooron
wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
| No booze involved, not even American beer. The Soverel 33 is renowned
as
| a light-air speedster though, probably not a fair comparison. They
make
| a wake you can hear from 1/2 mile off on days when the wind is barely
| enough to disturb cigarette smoke.

Yeah Doug...and I can drink a keg of beer and not fall down.

If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
anyone would bother.....

PDW

Whoa There Race Boy.... Coors?!?
 

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
You're trying to tell me you don't like Coors????

I'm not trying, I am telling you.... I do not like Coors.

Although I have attended some shooting events they used to sponsor,
their beer is not anything I'd choose.

DSK

Whoa There Race Boy.... more beer
 

Yeah Doug...and I can drink a keg of beer and not fall down.


Peter Wiley wrote:
If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
anyone would bother.....

Flushes out the kidneys real good.

Actually, in this climate, bottom brewed American beer or lager is much
better than top brewed beer or hock. If you try to drink that
thick-n-chewy stuff, it just gives you a terrible headache and you get
sick. Besides it doesn't matter so much if it gets watered down by they
spray.

I save the Guinness until after we come in from sailing, at least.

DSK

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote

If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
anyone would bother.....


to get drunk?

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"DSK" wrote
| ... The Soverel 33 is renowned as
| a light-air speedster though, probably not a fair comparison. They make
| a wake you can hear from 1/2 mile off on days when the wind is barely
| enough to disturb cigarette smoke.

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Yeah Doug...and I can drink a keg of beer and not fall down.

Well, this winter why don't you snowmobile on down here and come sailing
on one... you'll see...


Oddly enough I don't see a bow wave on that vessel either.

The one that's anchored??



| Huh??? That's not at all how it works. The wave-making resistance of a
| hull increases with her speed in proportion to her Froude number, which
| is a fairly complex derivative.

That's not going to overcome friction/displacement and allow for a speed
faster than the wind pushing you is it?

??? It's easy to go faster than true wind speed. Beach cats and faster
monohulls do it all the time. It's not a question of "going faster than
the wind that's pushing you" it's a question of building apparent wind
and foil efficiency.

... Even on plane I doubt a boat will
exceed wind speed. That would border on the perpetual motion theory.

OK, after we go sailing on my friends Soverel 33, we'll take the Johnson
18 out. It's a hoot... and it's not perpetual motion.



Now that's odd..... hull speed is a figure of the hull's shape and wetted
surface.

No no no. "Hull speed" has nothing at all to do with wetted surface and
almost nothing to do with shape. Hull speed is the the speed at which
wave-making resistance, determined by waterline length, becomes greater
than any practical amount of power that can be applied.

Hulls experience two kinds of drag... surface friction and wave making.
Surface friction increases as the square of the velocity of the water
moving past the hull's skin, but it should be remembered that much of
this surface is going to be carrying water along with it (at least
somewhat) and this reduces drag. Surface friction is the major factor at
low speeds.

The key to understanding wave making resistance is to realize that the
faster waves go, the further apart their crests have to be. This is why
at lower speed, boats make waves at bow, 1/2 waterline length (or some
fraction of their LWL), and stern. When the boat is making only two
waves, at bow and stern, it is going at hull speed. Wave making
resistance increases at a somewhat higher exponential factor than
surface friction so at higher speeds it is more important.



Obviously we have a difference in interpretation of a wave here Doug. I
consider a six inch 'bow wave' as nothing more than a ripple. A bow wave is
when you have water curling off the bow.

And this can happen with waves less than 6" high.

... Upwind it's far easier to effect
this than downwind.

I don't think so, it seems to me that as far as the hull making waves
goes... the water neither knows nor cares if you're going upwind or down.

... I'm certain you've experienced the feeling of a heavy
boat cleaving a large wave on a downwind run and sending tons of water
aside.

Yes but it's more fun to feel a light boat getting ready to fly over the
waves.


I can move Overproof downwind easily at half her hull speed in 5 knots of
wind and only see ripples... not waves.

OK, if you're satisfied, I'm not going to argue that point.


| Jack Daniels? You can have my share... I've been hiding a bottle of
| single malt in the desk...

I found a bottle of cheap champagne in my cooler..... rum on Friday! ;-)

Rum mixed with champagne... hmm, sounds like a good morning drink all
right...

DSK

Whoa There Race Boy.... Coors?!?
 

DSK wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You're trying to tell me you don't like Coors????

I'm not trying, I am telling you.... I do not like Coors.

Although I have attended some shooting events they used to sponsor,
their beer is not anything I'd choose.

Why not? I'd shoot at Coors cans as readily as any other beer cans.
What difference does it make?


--
//-Walt
//
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Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| "Nav" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| |
| | Capt. Mooron wrote:
| |
| | "Nav" wrote in message
| |
| | | As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now
explained.
| | |
| | | :P
| |
| | Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)
| |
| | No, mine is accurate to 0.1 knot. Is yours?
|
| If mine was as accurate as yours... I'd be sailing 4 kts faster on
| Overproof. ;-)
|
|
| Yes, an accurate sensitive log would help you trim your sails properly!
|
| :P

Trim??? ... You need to trim?? :-P

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

| If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
| anyone would bother.....

Point Taken! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Peter Wiley" wrote
|
| If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
| anyone would bother.....
|
|
| to get drunk?

On American Beer??? ... good luck! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy.... Coors?!?
 

Although I have attended some shooting events they used to sponsor,
their beer is not anything I'd choose.


Walt wrote:
Why not? I'd shoot at Coors cans as readily as any other beer cans.
What difference does it make?

Emptying the cans first is mildly unpleasant, and their logo is more
difficult to sight on than Bud.

DSK

Whoa There Race Boy.... Coors?!?
 

Well Doug, that's pretty unAmercian. :-)

--
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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
You're trying to tell me you don't like Coors????

I'm not trying, I am telling you.... I do not like Coors.

Although I have attended some shooting events they used to sponsor,
their beer is not anything I'd choose.

DSK

Whoa There Race Boy.... Coors?!?
 

DSK wrote:

Although I have attended some shooting events they used to sponsor,
their beer is not anything I'd choose.

Walt wrote:
Why not? I'd shoot at Coors cans as readily as any other beer cans.
What difference does it make?

Emptying the cans first is mildly unpleasant,

Well, if the method of emptying them involves ingesting the contents,
"mildly unpleasant" doesn't begin to describe it. But why bother
emptying them first? Shoot 'em as is, I say. If you're thirsty, drink
beer, not Coors.

and their logo is more difficult to sight on than Bud.

Too bad they don't make Ballantine any more. Now *that* was a good
target beer can.

--
//-Walt
//
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Whoa There Race Boy....
 

beer snobs are so funny...............and phony.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

| If it's American beer I can well believe that. Real question is why
| anyone would bother.....

Point Taken! ;-)

CM

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

beer snobs are so funny...............and phony.

You should meet wine snobs.
Or high end audio snobs.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Mooron calls Thunderbird a Bordeaux.


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
beer snobs are so funny...............and phony.

You should meet wine snobs.
Or high end audio snobs.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Nav

13 kts for 2hours; He was passing most POWER CRUISERS. In Nova Scotia
that is. Those Hammer head hull they build up there have trouble with 13
knts

OT

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| "Nav" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| |
| | Capt. Mooron wrote:
| |
| | "Nav" wrote in message
| |
| | | As I suspected, the "13 knots average for 2 hours" in now
explained.
| | |
| | | :P
| |
| | Haven't you got a log to calibrate or something Nav?? ;-)
| |
| | No, mine is accurate to 0.1 knot. Is yours?
|
| If mine was as accurate as yours... I'd be sailing 4 kts faster on
| Overproof. ;-)
|
|
| Yes, an accurate sensitive log would help you trim your sails properly!
|
| :P

Trim??? ... You need to trim?? :-P


Well, maybe not where you sail/race...

Cheers :-)

Whoa There Race Boy....
 

No... Strawberry Angel and Moody Blue are Bordeaux!

Classless, Clueless and Crass..... you wouldn't know good Goof if it snuck
up on you.

I find that Bright's Old Port 74 is a fine example of a well executed Porch
Climber!
You certainly can't beat 4 liters of a fine 10 day old Chardonnay boxed wine
for it's ability to have you awaken in a ditch with a mouth full of turf!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| Mooron calls Thunderbird a Bordeaux.
|
|
| "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
| ...
| beer snobs are so funny...............and phony.
|
| You should meet wine snobs.
| Or high end audio snobs.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| "Trains are a winter sport"
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Whoa There Race Boy....
 

I did pass a power boat last Saturday!

No Really!..... it was going along at a clip too! [yes!.. same
direction]

Okay so it was one of those camper style power boats with more windage than
engine power... but heck I flew right by! ;-)

CM

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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| 13 kts for 2hours; He was passing most POWER CRUISERS. In Nova Scotia
| that is. Those Hammer head hull they build up there have trouble with 13
| knts
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| OT
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