JAXAshby wrote:

really? why is that, yo-yo? the center of gravity is not where the boat
turns, pivots or rotates. but you didn't know that, did you.


Did I say at the center of gravity?

Cheers

It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing). But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size? Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare.

dude, *that* is bull****. I don't much care for Hunter boat, but
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boat built in the last 25 years has had
roller reefing on the mainsail. In fact, I doubt *any* Hunter EVER had roller
reefing.

knock it frick off.

Jonathan, you have been had. That turd has never been on a hunter in his life.
I don't think much of hunter sailboats, but "brien alkire" is a lying sack of
squat.

I had a similar experience with a fairly new Hunter (believe it was a 420).
Terrible boat IMHO.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
I'll second the comments on poor performance with any kind of wind. I
took
a Hunter 310 out for a weekend at a local anchorage. In 15 knots sailing
upwind there was extreme weather helm even with the traveler eased quite a
bit. Even after putting in a reef the handling was very poor compared to
a
Catalina 30 or Beneteau 323. The 310 is nice for taking my non-sailor
friends out for a daysail though. It's cheap to charter for a day, and
they
all think it's a beautiful boat.

I took a Hunter 420 to Catalina Island for a 3-day weekend. With the
center
cockpit, this thing had a spectacular aft cabin with queen sized bed,
standing room, nice head. But in 18 knots of breeze she was out of
control.
It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing).
But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size? Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare. Okay, I
suppose it provides an infinite number of reef points. But the sail shape
is horrible, and it's MUCH more work than just hoisting a sail with a
halyard - I don't see the point at all.

I am no expert in sailing. It's possible I didn't have the boats properly
trimmed. But these experiences sure left me with a poor impression of
Hunters.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I'll second Loco on the Ballast/Displacement ratio.

I used to teach on these boats and we were required
to write up three probelms on every boat we took out.
The joke for these Bent-e-toads was the instructors
put "Not enough lead in keel" for a probelm.

In any kind of wind you are reefing down. Roller furling
kills the shape of the head sail. Offshore, with reefed sails
the leeway is horrible. You are lucky if you get 1 knot made
good upwind.

These boats are for inland and coastal waters where you can
anchor at night.

SAIL LOCO wrote

While we are "OT" (on topic), What are the down falls and faults
with
Hunters? Give me the down and dirty facts. I don't want to eventually
get
my
dreamboat and find it is a nightmare! :-O

Cheap construction. Balast/displacement ratios probably not suited to
ocean
sailing. Interior layout would not be conducive to your Carib. cruise
plans
which requires days at sea.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

yes.

From: Nav
Date: 7/15/2004 9:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:

really? why is that, yo-yo? the center of gravity is not where the boat
turns, pivots or rotates. but you didn't know that, did you.


Did I say at the center of gravity?

Cheers

I'll take that on faith. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Jonathan, you have been had. That turd has never been on a hunter in his
life.
I don't think much of hunter sailboats, but "brien alkire" is a lying
sack of
squat.

I had a similar experience with a fairly new Hunter (believe it was a
420).
Terrible boat IMHO.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message
...
I'll second the comments on poor performance with any kind of wind. I
took
a Hunter 310 out for a weekend at a local anchorage. In 15 knots
sailing
upwind there was extreme weather helm even with the traveler eased
quite a
bit. Even after putting in a reef the handling was very poor compared
to
a
Catalina 30 or Beneteau 323. The 310 is nice for taking my non-sailor
friends out for a daysail though. It's cheap to charter for a day, and
they
all think it's a beautiful boat.

I took a Hunter 420 to Catalina Island for a 3-day weekend. With the
center
cockpit, this thing had a spectacular aft cabin with queen sized bed,
standing room, nice head. But in 18 knots of breeze she was out of
control.
It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing).
But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size?
Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare. Okay, I
suppose it provides an infinite number of reef points. But the sail
shape
is horrible, and it's MUCH more work than just hoisting a sail with a
halyard - I don't see the point at all.

I am no expert in sailing. It's possible I didn't have the boats
properly
trimmed. But these experiences sure left me with a poor impression of
Hunters.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I'll second Loco on the Ballast/Displacement ratio.

I used to teach on these boats and we were required
to write up three probelms on every boat we took out.
The joke for these Bent-e-toads was the instructors
put "Not enough lead in keel" for a probelm.

In any kind of wind you are reefing down. Roller furling
kills the shape of the head sail. Offshore, with reefed sails
the leeway is horrible. You are lucky if you get 1 knot made
good upwind.

These boats are for inland and coastal waters where you can
anchor at night.

SAIL LOCO wrote

While we are "OT" (on topic), What are the down falls and faults
with
Hunters? Give me the down and dirty facts. I don't want to
eventually
get
my
dreamboat and find it is a nightmare! :-O

Cheap construction. Balast/displacement ratios probably not suited
to
ocean
sailing. Interior layout would not be conducive to your Carib.
cruise
plans
which requires days at sea.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Roller reefing on the main?? I missed that. I've seen in boom and in mast,
but only on an F trimaran would you find boom furling. My small 16 foot
trimaran had a mast furling main, but it didn't have stays or a jib.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing).
But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size? Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare.

dude, *that* is bull****. I don't much care for Hunter boat, but
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boat built in the last 25 years has
had
roller reefing on the mainsail. In fact, I doubt *any* Hunter EVER had
roller
reefing.

knock it frick off.

at

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:
yes.


From: Nav
Date: 7/15/2004 9:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:


really? why is that, yo-yo? the center of gravity is not where the boat
turns, pivots or rotates. but you didn't know that, did you.


Did I say at the center of gravity?

Cheers

more times than I can count.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Jonathan, you have been had.

whatever are you talking about??


From: Nav
Date: 7/16/2004 1:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

at

Cheers

JAXAshby wrote:
yes.


From: Nav
Date: 7/15/2004 9:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:


really? why is that, yo-yo? the center of gravity is not where the boat
turns, pivots or rotates. but you didn't know that, did you.


Did I say at the center of gravity?

Cheers

Don't get your panties in a wad. It has an in-mast furling system, like the
420 found he

http://www.yachtworld.com/mgmayer/mgmayer_3.html



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing).
But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size? Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare.

dude, *that* is bull****. I don't much care for Hunter boat, but
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boat built in the last 25 years has
had
roller reefing on the mainsail. In fact, I doubt *any* Hunter EVER had
roller
reefing.

knock it frick off.