Watch out Loco, he'll call you an ''asshole'' .

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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yea, not the shoal draft feel

What?
Hey, the 'f' key is nowhere near the 'k' key.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

I'll second the comments on poor performance with any kind of wind. I took
a Hunter 310 out for a weekend at a local anchorage. In 15 knots sailing
upwind there was extreme weather helm even with the traveler eased quite a
bit. Even after putting in a reef the handling was very poor compared to a
Catalina 30 or Beneteau 323. The 310 is nice for taking my non-sailor
friends out for a daysail though. It's cheap to charter for a day, and they
all think it's a beautiful boat.

I took a Hunter 420 to Catalina Island for a 3-day weekend. With the center
cockpit, this thing had a spectacular aft cabin with queen sized bed,
standing room, nice head. But in 18 knots of breeze she was out of control.
It was better after I rolled in some of the main (effectively reefing). But
honestly, this much difficulty handling wind in a boat this size? Awful
performance. Also, the roller furling main was a nightmare. Okay, I
suppose it provides an infinite number of reef points. But the sail shape
is horrible, and it's MUCH more work than just hoisting a sail with a
halyard - I don't see the point at all.

I am no expert in sailing. It's possible I didn't have the boats properly
trimmed. But these experiences sure left me with a poor impression of
Hunters.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
I'll second Loco on the Ballast/Displacement ratio.

I used to teach on these boats and we were required
to write up three probelms on every boat we took out.
The joke for these Bent-e-toads was the instructors
put "Not enough lead in keel" for a probelm.

In any kind of wind you are reefing down. Roller furling
kills the shape of the head sail. Offshore, with reefed sails
the leeway is horrible. You are lucky if you get 1 knot made
good upwind.

These boats are for inland and coastal waters where you can
anchor at night.

SAIL LOCO wrote

While we are "OT" (on topic), What are the down falls and faults with
Hunters? Give me the down and dirty facts. I don't want to eventually
get
my
dreamboat and find it is a nightmare! :-O

Cheap construction. Balast/displacement ratios probably not suited to
ocean
sailing. Interior layout would not be conducive to your Carib. cruise
plans
which requires days at sea.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

yea, not the shoal draft feel

What?
Hey, the 'f' key is nowhere near the 'k' key.

"feel" is how you tell where the bottom of the water is.

I built a 70' longliner (with a stern cabin).

sure, you did. and in your backyard, summers when you weren't teaching high
school French classes.

The stern is more
comfortable.

how would you know?

And, if you are taking shifts at the helm in rough weather,
being able to sleep is a good thing.


boy, you ARE a genius, aren't you? So, why do you want a bouncy, side,
skittish boat with known problems with gear failure and 800# of water under the
v-berth?

, you be one horrible troller. you are not capable of even owning a
nimrod. go away.

From: "FamilySailor"
Date: 7/14/2004 11:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

you sound like a woman, or a bobsprit shopping for a boat.

I sail with my wife and one of my concerns as her husband is to take care of
her and make her comfortable. She says I don't have to worry about her, but
I do.

And "Scott Vernon" I have been going through all your little comments you
post about people and have come to the conclusion. You are a REAL ASSHOLE! I
feel for those who have to be around you.

sorry, , but scottie really is a fake, for he only sails a boat of
value. a really hero like you -- who loves his wife -- sails a nimrod 34
without tabs on the bulkhead.

From: "FamilySailor"
Date: 7/14/2004 2:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I've met Scott Vernon, and he's not a real asshole. He's not even a fake
asshole. You seem to have a defective sense of humor.


I could be wrong. I hope so for his sake I am.
If it is just humor, it's no problemo, but I was beginning to thinking of
him as "Scott Venom"

you don't have much cash set aside and you want to buy a nimrod 34 for 1/3rd
the price of a Dana 24? what kind of dunderhead are you?

You can buy a 345 for 20k?

I have run across several from $22,500 to $25,000 you just have to be ready
to jump on it fast. They don't last long. We are not ready yet. Don't have
that much extra cash set aside for something like a sailboat.

This is JAX admitting that he has never been sailing in the Caribbean
himself.

DSK

no, it isn't. it is adding to my experience with the experience of thousands
of others.

dude, you are gonna quit the game within a month.

From: krj
Date: 7/14/2004 11:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Did you read my post? Getting there was from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Overnight sail to Bimini (41 nmi) then day sailing down the Bahamas. If
you are on the east coast, you can get to Ft. Lauderdale by day sailing
down the east coast or the ICW. No "required days at sea" unless you
want to sail from say Newport, RI, to Bermuda, then down I-65 to the
Virgin Islands.
krj

SAIL LOCO wrote:

Why do you think Caribbean cruising "requires days at sea"

Well, you have to get there!
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

On my boat the quarter berths are as close to the stern as possible. I
think is generally agreed the the smallest motion is experienced near
the center of gravity i.e. nearer the center of the boat

Cheers

FamilySailor wrote:
What?


You can become airborne sailing into the wind, while sleeping in the v-berth
and even the quarter berths, not so in the stern. I used to commercial fish
and I built a 70' longliner (with a stern cabin). The stern is more
comfortable. And, if you are taking shifts at the helm in rough weather,
being able to sleep is a good thing.