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This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday
night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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"katysails" wrote in message This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... It's a hotly-contested election year, Kathy. Problem is, you've been hanging on a mooring ball; not on a dock. The conversation on docks these days is similar to ASA. You may consider yourself fortunate. Max |
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I gotta get me a mooring ball to hang off of!!!!
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This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last
Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 Old salts like to watch a good fistfight now and then, or what's sadly turning into a gay-bash with Bush & Cheney pounding the Kerry & Edwards girls to pieces. I thought it was going to be close, but the trend is all Bush lately. |
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With all due respect Kat, politics is very important to sailing right now.
Important waterways are silting closed because the current president has diverted the $$$ needed to maintain them to his Iraqi misadventure. I had to move my boat because it's 5.5' keel could no longer get in/out of the creek. He has issued edicts that restrict our freedom to come and go as we please and encouraged law enforcement harassment of any SV capable of reaching Cuba or carrying drugs - all the while failing to enforce environmental laws intended to keep our bays and rivers habitable. And the list goes on and on, very gradually becoming OT. "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... |
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Katy, you need to mark your topic as OT. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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I was going to post the same thing this morning but figured it won't do any
good, and would probably start a flame war. Right on, Katy Scotty "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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I'm in a slip, no sailors on our docks talk politics.
SV "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... It's a hotly-contested election year, Kathy. Problem is, you've been hanging on a mooring ball; not on a dock. The conversation on docks these days is similar to ASA. You may consider yourself fortunate. Max |
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Jon,
I agree with you for a change! Bart Jonathan Ganz wrote Katy, you need to mark your topic as OT. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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"katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... Well said! Regards Donal -- |
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Maxprop claimed: The conversation on docks these days is similar to ASA. You may consider yourself fortunate. Actually, there haven't been any heated political discussions at the yacht club....the most ehated discussion lately was a debate on whether someone had fouled at a race marker or not. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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Family sailor said; I gotta get me a mooring ball to hang off of!!!!
I highly recommend it.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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"Vito" wrote in message ...
With all due respect Kat, politics is very important to sailing right now. Important waterways are silting closed because the current president has diverted the $$$ needed to maintain them to his Iraqi misadventure. I had to move my boat because it's 5.5' keel could no longer get in/out of the creek. Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Your the typical left wing whiner that is only looking at what effects you. Your marina should not have been buildt in an area were the creek silts over unless the marina owners are willing to keep the channel clear. Dont blame bush, blame the idiot who poorly planned your marina's location. In the big picture do you really think tax payers should have to pay to keep the creek clear for you to go sailing? And by the way we have a dredge working the Houston ship channel 24/7 for the last 8 years. So do not try to convince me that important waterways are silting up. If it's an important waterway than the users can afford to keep it dredged. He has issued edicts that restrict our freedom to come and go as we please and encouraged law enforcement harassment of any SV capable of reaching Cuba or carrying drugs - My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all. If you want to blame anyone for your inability to visit Hemmingway harbor blame Castro not Bush. all the while failing to enforce environmental laws intended to keep our bays and rivers habitable. Your crazy, ships get busted all the time here for illegal discharges and the EPA has a boat or two that monitor our bays 24/7. If your so worried about enforcemant than go out and enforce the laws yourself. Did you know if you turn someone in for illegal dumping or discharging your intitled to a major part of any fines the offender has to pay? And the list goes on and on, very gradually becoming OT. Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Joe "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... |
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Vito claimed:
I had to move my boat because it's 5.5' keel could no longer get in/out of the creek. Oh boo hoo...I cry for you...when the lake levels were so low a few years ago, the local marinas (meaning us, the sailors) footed the bill for dredging...it's all part of the system....you pay for what you use. But that can turn into a whole new arena of political crap, so I'm dropping it...no need to reply, since everyone has their own viewpoint and their own is always the right one and the best. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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Katy, you need to mark your topic as OT. :-)
No, I don't. I'm completely with BB on this one. I'm remarking about the lack of sailing info in any of these posts. Aren't you the person who always cries about "What's that got to do with sailing?" and here you're in the midst of the fracas. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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katysails wrote:
This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... Agreed. The odd political post (which I readily ignore, having no interest) is the nature of the beast, but when you have to *look* for sailing threads amongst piles of political crap, it's getting to be a bit much. I wonder how many of the posters of political stuff think they might actually persuade someone to switch to their preferred party as a result of posting in here. Judging by the responses I've seen since subscribing to this NG, I'd say that the chance of such persuasion occurring is 100% zero. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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"katysails" wrote
Oh boo hoo...I cry for you...when the lake levels were so low a few years ago, the local marinas (meaning us, the sailors) footed the bill for dredging...it's all part of the system....you pay for what you use. Did that happen under the Cliton or Bush administration? Just wanted to know who to blame. Scotty |
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It's especially annoying when the foreigners get involved.
-- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Donal" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... Well said! Regards Donal -- |
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"katysails" wrote in message Maxprop claimed: The conversation on docks these days is similar to ASA. You may consider yourself fortunate. Actually, there haven't been any heated political discussions at the yacht club....the most ehated discussion lately was a debate on whether someone had fouled at a race marker or not. Standard yacht club fare. We used to quibble about rounding rights and luffing rights all the time at our YC in Michigan. No heated discussions on A-dock these days. Just the ongoing banter about who said what, etc. Max |
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"Wally" wrote in message katysails wrote: This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... Agreed. The odd political post (which I readily ignore, having no interest) is the nature of the beast, but when you have to *look* for sailing threads amongst piles of political crap, it's getting to be a bit much. I wonder how many of the posters of political stuff think they might actually persuade someone to switch to their preferred party as a result of posting in here. Judging by the responses I've seen since subscribing to this NG, I'd say that the chance of such persuasion occurring is 100% zero. Wally, No doubt you've seen or heard this before, but at the risk of sounding redundant: ASA is more like a yacht club bar than a sailing forum. The contributors are like YC members engaging in that most prominent of pastimes following a day of racing or sailing: chatting about anything and everything. Sailing IS discussed, but so are politics, relationships, just about anything interesting to people. ASA is not like rec.boats.cruising, etc. If you're seeking a strict forum, this ain't the place. Max |
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Maxprop wrote:
ASA is more like a yacht club bar than a sailing forum. The contributors are like YC members engaging in that most prominent of pastimes following a day of racing or sailing: chatting about anything and everything. Sailing IS discussed, but so are politics, relationships, just about anything interesting to people. In the bar at my club, the predominant topic is sailing (mostly racing or what jobs people are doing on their boats). That's followed by club business (amongst those who administer such stuff) and various non-sailing talk. ASA is not like rec.boats.cruising, etc. I'm perfectly aware of this. It is, however, still a sailing newsgroup and not a politics one. My point was that the ratio of posts on US politics has been far outstripping the sailing stuff - when you have to *hunt* amongst the pointless political crap (pointless because nobody is going to make anyone else switch sides) to find some boat talk, then I think the balance has swung just a little the wrong way. Round here, we would say to the politicos, "C'mon guys, screw the nut!". If you're seeking a strict forum, this ain't the place. I ain't looking for a strict forum - that's why I'm here. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Damn...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... Jon, I agree with you for a change! Bart Jonathan Ganz wrote Katy, you need to mark your topic as OT. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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My bad...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Katy, you need to mark your topic as OT. :-) No, I don't. I'm completely with BB on this one. I'm remarking about the lack of sailing info in any of these posts. Aren't you the person who always cries about "What's that got to do with sailing?" and here you're in the midst of the fracas. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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Canadians?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... It's especially annoying when the foreigners get involved. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Donal" wrote in message ... "katysails" wrote in message ... This is getting ridiculous.....I deleted over 400 posts from last Thursday night through today...over 90% were political.... Well said! Regards Donal -- |
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Did that happen under the Cliton or Bush administration? Just wanted to
know who to blame. Duh...Clinton..... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/2004 |
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"Joe" wrote
Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Sure it is Joe. They're protecting me from going to Cuba, or leaving home without a permit or the proper fire extinguisher or reimporting medicines or ...... Geee, what would I do without them? My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all..... I've never robbed except by cops. By your logic, that proves there are no robbers except cops. Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Left wing? I'm a Goldwater Republican. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. When it says "Congress shall pass no law .." I think that means NO law and when it says that no person shall be held without a warrant from a grand jury I believe it treason to do otherwise! Nazis were socialists and "conservatives" sought to defend our constitution.. Now people who act like Nazis are "conservatives", if they pretend to be religious, and people like me, who believe Government should obey the law, are left wing?? Oh well ... |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:17:31 -0400, "Vito" wrote:
"Joe" wrote Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Sure it is Joe. They're protecting me from going to Cuba, or leaving home without a permit or the proper fire extinguisher or reimporting medicines or ..... Geee, what would I do without them? My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all..... I've never robbed except by cops. By your logic, that proves there are no robbers except cops. Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Left wing? I'm a Goldwater Republican. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. When it says "Congress shall pass no law .." I think that means NO law and when it says that no person shall be held without a warrant from a grand jury I believe it treason to do otherwise! Nazis were socialists and "conservatives" sought to defend our constitution.. Now people who act like Nazis are "conservatives", if they pretend to be religious, and people like me, who believe Government should obey the law, are left wing?? Oh well ... Same here, Vito. I tend to think of myself as a McCain Republican, but as he seems to have been orphaned by the Republicans, I am hanging out there in the middle along with him. The Republicans have moved so far to the right that most of the rest of us do look like leftists by comparison, but that is ok with me. I have a bad knee. Goosestepping has no appeal to me whatsoever:) |
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I consider myself a McCain liberal.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "felton" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:17:31 -0400, "Vito" wrote: "Joe" wrote Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Sure it is Joe. They're protecting me from going to Cuba, or leaving home without a permit or the proper fire extinguisher or reimporting medicines or ..... Geee, what would I do without them? My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all..... I've never robbed except by cops. By your logic, that proves there are no robbers except cops. Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Left wing? I'm a Goldwater Republican. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. When it says "Congress shall pass no law .." I think that means NO law and when it says that no person shall be held without a warrant from a grand jury I believe it treason to do otherwise! Nazis were socialists and "conservatives" sought to defend our constitution.. Now people who act like Nazis are "conservatives", if they pretend to be religious, and people like me, who believe Government should obey the law, are left wing?? Oh well ... Same here, Vito. I tend to think of myself as a McCain Republican, but as he seems to have been orphaned by the Republicans, I am hanging out there in the middle along with him. The Republicans have moved so far to the right that most of the rest of us do look like leftists by comparison, but that is ok with me. I have a bad knee. Goosestepping has no appeal to me whatsoever:) |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:38:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote: I consider myself a McCain liberal. OK:) Too bad there are so few like him. I voted for him in the primary last time around even though he was already out of it by the time the Texas primary was held. Prior to that I voted for Perot although I may be the only person who will admit to that:) |
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I voted for Perot's ears.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "felton" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:38:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: I consider myself a McCain liberal. OK:) Too bad there are so few like him. I voted for him in the primary last time around even though he was already out of it by the time the Texas primary was held. Prior to that I voted for Perot although I may be the only person who will admit to that:) |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... It's especially annoying when the foreigners get involved. Absolutely correct! Most Iraqis agree with you!!! Regards Donal -- |
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"Wally" wrote in message ... In the bar at my club, the predominant topic is sailing (mostly racing or what jobs people are doing on their boats). That's followed by club business (amongst those who administer such stuff) and various non-sailing talk. That explains why so many people are moving down to the South-East.... they cannot stand the tedium. Regards Donal -- |
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:34:38 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote: I voted for Perot's ears. I liked his charts and graphs:) |
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Donal wrote:
That explains why so many people are moving down to the South-East.... they cannot stand the tedium. Dream on - this is easily the biggest and busiest club on the Forth. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Sure it is Joe. They're protecting me from going to Cuba, Why do you want to support castro? Call him up and convince him to hold free honest elections and Im sure his country will be opened up again. I'd love to visit myself. or leaving home without a permit I go out all the time without a permit. I have this thing called a passport. I know it hard for convicted felons but thats their problem. or the proper fire extinguisher or reimporting medicines or ..... Geee, what would I do without them? Burn at sea? My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all..... I've never robbed except by cops. By your logic, that proves there are no robbers except cops. ??????????? I've been robbed by a few cops to, Took a butterfly knife, and one took a great big bud of Humbolt country best out of my pocket, way back when. At least I did not go to jail. And he did not find or look for the stuff hidden under the seat. I feel lucky on that one :0) Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Left wing? I'm a Goldwater Republican. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. When it says "Congress shall pass no law .." I think that means NO law and when it says that no person shall be held without a warrant from a grand jury I believe it treason to do otherwise! American laws are for Americans, not combatants captured on the battlefield, different rules apply. Nazis were socialists and "conservatives" sought to defend our constitution.. Now people who act like Nazis are "conservatives", if they pretend to be religious, and people like me, who believe Government should obey the law, are left wing?? Oh well ... No Im right down the center, Not a republican nor a democrat. But I can figure out whats wrong and right. Can you? Joe |
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Funny you should mention elections. Castro volunteered to send
some observers to Florida, much like the 1st world does in 3rd world elections... to keep them honest. For all Castro's faults, he has a good sense of timing and humor. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message m... "Vito" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote Vito, perhaps the money used to dredge your marinas creek is now being used by the Coast Guard to protect the lives of Americans. Sure it is Joe. They're protecting me from going to Cuba, Why do you want to support castro? Call him up and convince him to hold free honest elections and Im sure his country will be opened up again. I'd love to visit myself. or leaving home without a permit I go out all the time without a permit. I have this thing called a passport. I know it hard for convicted felons but thats their problem. or the proper fire extinguisher or reimporting medicines or ..... Geee, what would I do without them? Burn at sea? My boat is both capable of reaching Cuba any time and could carry tons of drugs and I havent been harassed by any law enforcement at all..... I've never robbed except by cops. By your logic, that proves there are no robbers except cops. ??????????? I've been robbed by a few cops to, Took a butterfly knife, and one took a great big bud of Humbolt country best out of my pocket, way back when. At least I did not go to jail. And he did not find or look for the stuff hidden under the seat. I feel lucky on that one :0) Your list of left wing BS goes on & on. Left wing? I'm a Goldwater Republican. I believe in the literal interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. When it says "Congress shall pass no law .." I think that means NO law and when it says that no person shall be held without a warrant from a grand jury I believe it treason to do otherwise! American laws are for Americans, not combatants captured on the battlefield, different rules apply. Nazis were socialists and "conservatives" sought to defend our constitution.. Now people who act like Nazis are "conservatives", if they pretend to be religious, and people like me, who believe Government should obey the law, are left wing?? Oh well ... No Im right down the center, Not a republican nor a democrat. But I can figure out whats wrong and right. Can you? Joe |
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"Wally" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: That explains why so many people are moving down to the South-East.... they cannot stand the tedium. Dream on - this is easily the biggest and busiest club on the Forth. How's it do the rest of the month? |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
Dream on - this is easily the biggest and busiest club on the Forth. How's it do the rest of the month? Oh, just the same as it does the other 8 months a year of the sailing season in this jolly little 56N estuary with ships, islands and bridges to dodge in ever-changing conditions... Three days of multiple-class series dinghy racing a week (up to four classes), two days of multiple-class series yacht racing a week (up to three classes), plus trophy races, regattas and fun events on other days. There's a cruising section involving both yachts and dinghies - organised monthly cruises and casual Thursday evening cruises, Saturday is practice day for newbie dinghy sailors, kids' sailing on Sunday mornings, etc. Runs from late March to late December. Why do you ask? Doesn't your club do this sort of thing? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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"Wally" wrote Why do you ask? Doesn't your club do this sort of thing? No, my club rides motorcycles. I don't race, I criuse. I have crewed in races a few times though. I live 2 hours from the water, which is too much for a 2 hour race on Wed. night. I was wondering what a 'Firth Of Forth' is. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
I was wondering what a 'Firth Of Forth' is. 'Firth' is Scottish for 'estuary', 'Forth' is the name of the river that feeds it. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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