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"Jonathan Gay boy" wrote in message ...
You're a ****ing idiot. You're also illiterate. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.queersailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... **** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be. No your not. You are ashamed to be an American. I proud to be an American. I might be ashamed of americans like you, moore, and others but Im always proud to be an American. BTW Katy getting the Ivory Soap ready for you. joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American. Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass! Joe |
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**** off Joe McCarthy. We don't need your kind around
here any more. We got rid of you in the 50s, we got rid of you in Germany in the 40s. We'll get rid of you in this century too. You're an intolerant asshole that doesn't deserve US citizenship. You also have a foul mouth and are stooopid beyond belief. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Gay boy" wrote in message ... You're a ****ing idiot. You're also illiterate. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.queersailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... **** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be. No your not. You are ashamed to be an American. I proud to be an American. I might be ashamed of americans like you, moore, and others but Im always proud to be an American. BTW Katy getting the Ivory Soap ready for you. joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American. Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass! Joe |
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Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing
those of you on the right? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Gay boy" wrote in message ... You're a ****ing idiot. You're also illiterate. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.queersailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... **** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be. No your not. You are ashamed to be an American. I proud to be an American. I might be ashamed of americans like you, moore, and others but Im always proud to be an American. BTW Katy getting the Ivory Soap ready for you. joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American. Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass! Joe |
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Hahaha... yeh, I almost said that too, but in reality it's bad for
everyone. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote: Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? I know I do! LOL! BB |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? Sounds to me that he's right on. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing
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Perfect. You two would make a great couple.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? Sounds to me that he's right on. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Not what I said pussyboy, I mean Dave. My question was,
do you want to be represented by a guy like this. Apparently, the answer is yes. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? You don't like getting your own name-calling game returned in spades? Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message No need to feel sorry for me. I remember Joe McCarthy and he was no friend of patriotism. Joe was whacked, but Patrick Henry and Geo. Washington weren't. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I was talking about the current asshole in the WH (not Laura). One asshole's pretty much like any other--they smell bad and produce nothing of any particular value. Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message .net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Currently, yes. We have an asshole and liar in the White House. He's tarnished our image around the world. No, no. Clinton left office in Jan. 2001. Max |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Donal" wrote in message Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam? Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have noticed that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint. That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush administration. Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq. Shame on you. Regards Donal -- Surely, your victory in Iraq means that the world is now safe???? Would you feel safer if Saddam were still in power? If so, why would you feel less safe now? Max |
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Oh now I see..... Its OK for you to run your foul mouth, but when someone comes back at you with a foul mouth your cry and whine like a little girl. Typical left wing Kerry like attitude huh Johnathan? Go back in this thread and see who started the foul mouth first and you will find it was you. But hey thats besides the point huh Johnathan Kerry, you flip floppin waffler. And BTW people alot better than you, people that served in the military got rid of the Hitlers and Saddams in the world, not whining little liberials like you. People did it that are proud of America, not people like you who are ashamed of America. Your the typical left wing presona. You can dish it out but you can not take it. Your just like Kerry not willing to give anything but BS, and standing around with your hand stuck out. So in your words and I quote "**** OFF" Joe Joe **** off Joe McCarthy. We don't need your kind around here any more. We got rid of you in the 50s, we got rid of you in Germany in the 40s. We'll get rid of you in this century too. You're an intolerant asshole that doesn't deserve US citizenship. You also have a foul mouth and are stooopid beyond belief. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Gay boy" wrote in message ... You're a ****ing idiot. You're also illiterate. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.queersailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... **** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be. No your not. You are ashamed to be an American. I proud to be an American. I might be ashamed of americans like you, moore, and others but Im always proud to be an American. BTW Katy getting the Ivory Soap ready for you. joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American. Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass! Joe |
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Well, I'm not sure what your point is... Joe (our joe) is a racist.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message No need to feel sorry for me. I remember Joe McCarthy and he was no friend of patriotism. Joe was whacked, but Patrick Henry and Geo. Washington weren't. Max |
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Right. Sure. What a wacko. I'd tell you to **** yourself,
but Cheney is much better at it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Oh now I see..... Its OK for you to run your foul mouth, but when someone comes back at you with a foul mouth your cry and whine like a little girl. Typical left wing Kerry like attitude huh Johnathan? Go back in this thread and see who started the foul mouth first and you will find it was you. But hey thats besides the point huh Johnathan Kerry, you flip floppin waffler. And BTW people alot better than you, people that served in the military got rid of the Hitlers and Saddams in the world, not whining little liberials like you. People did it that are proud of America, not people like you who are ashamed of America. Your the typical left wing presona. You can dish it out but you can not take it. Your just like Kerry not willing to give anything but BS, and standing around with your hand stuck out. So in your words and I quote "**** OFF" Joe Joe **** off Joe McCarthy. We don't need your kind around here any more. We got rid of you in the 50s, we got rid of you in Germany in the 40s. We'll get rid of you in this century too. You're an intolerant asshole that doesn't deserve US citizenship. You also have a foul mouth and are stooopid beyond belief. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Gay boy" wrote in message ... You're a ****ing idiot. You're also illiterate. Ok Rainbow boy let's do it your way. Your a ****ing faggot with a faggot boat that does nothing but dream of rimming your butthole buddy M. Moore. Take your gay boat and get the **** out of the country your so ****ing ashamed of you slack dick, scrotum jaw, penis licking, bag sucking, San Francisco queer gayboy. Got it ****FACE? You dick sucking limp wrist un-American coward. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.queersailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... **** you. I'm more of an American than you'll ever be. No your not. You are ashamed to be an American. I proud to be an American. I might be ashamed of americans like you, moore, and others but Im always proud to be an American. BTW Katy getting the Ivory Soap ready for you. joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In the current state of affairs, I'm ashamed to be an American. Then get the Hell Out and do not let the door hit you in the ass! Joe |
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Yes. You need to say it again.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:20:49 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Not what I said pussyboy Sticks and stones....... Need I say "again?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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Sorry, but I'm not into violence. So, you're saying that you
and Joe are in agreement??? Perhaps you might want to think before you answer. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:11:06 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Joe (our joe) is a racist. And Ganz once again applies his favorite substitute for argument. What is it they say--when all you've got is a hammer everything looks like a nail? Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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What was that? I missed it.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:12:26 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Yes. You need to say it again. Sticks and stones.... Again. Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Not what I said pussyboy, I mean Dave. My question was, do you want to be represented by a guy like this. Apparently, the answer is yes. -- There you go again spewing off with your foul mouth John athan. I guess some people would like to be represented by a foul mouth San Francisco two faced person thats ashamed to be an American like you. But as you will find out this November not enough will be on your putrid two faced side. You and Kerry 2 birds of the same feather. You wanna spew foul words but you are totally offened when someone spews it back right in your two faces. Waffler, Ashamed American, Liar. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? You don't like getting your own name-calling game returned in spades? Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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"Donal" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message "Donal" wrote in message Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam? Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have noticed that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint. That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush administration. Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq. Shame on you. Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion. You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, but made no morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in Iraq vs. those in the US. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. Beyond attacking US soldiers and US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. That translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers, civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned, that's another matter entirely. And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or anyone other than Islamic extremists. Max |
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Hahaha... this from a racist, pussy. Hahahaah...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Not what I said pussyboy, I mean Dave. My question was, do you want to be represented by a guy like this. Apparently, the answer is yes. -- There you go again spewing off with your foul mouth John athan. I guess some people would like to be represented by a foul mouth San Francisco two faced person thats ashamed to be an American like you. But as you will find out this November not enough will be on your putrid two faced side. You and Kerry 2 birds of the same feather. You wanna spew foul words but you are totally offened when someone spews it back right in your two faces. Waffler, Ashamed American, Liar. Joe "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:43:28 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" said: Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? You don't like getting your own name-calling game returned in spades? Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick? |
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Yep, free speach... and all that. So, given that it's free speach
my saying that I think you're a racist asshole is just fine. The fact that you can spew your garbage just supports the notion of a liberal American where even racists like yourself can have a forum. The fact is that you represent the worst of society. You keep responding. You have to respond. You can't help it. Keep responding. You look even dumber than dirt. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobspirt) wrote in message ... Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? Jon, free speach and all that, remember? You may not like the message, but he has a right to say it. The ACLU consistently backs the Klans' right to get its message out. Jon's upset because I told the truth about him. I got tired of his foul mouth so I felt it was time to give him a taste of his own medicine. Poor boy got all upset. Bwahahahahahah typical two faced mammas boy. He can dish it out but..... Reminds me of Kerry.......Bush is gonna kick his ass back under his wifes skirt. Joe |
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Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more
have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Donal" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message "Donal" wrote in message Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam? Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have noticed that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint. That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush administration. Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq. Shame on you. Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion. You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, but made no morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in Iraq vs. those in the US. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. Beyond attacking US soldiers and US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. That translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers, civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned, that's another matter entirely. And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or anyone other than Islamic extremists. Max |
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Liberal America... and yes, I'm a liberal too.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Yep, free speach... and all that. So, given that it's free speach my saying that I think you're a racist asshole is just fine. The fact that you can spew your garbage just supports the notion of a liberal American where even racists like yourself can have a forum. The fact is that you represent the worst of society. You keep responding. You have to respond. You can't help it. Keep responding. You look even dumber than dirt. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobspirt) wrote in message ... Check this out folks. Is this the kind of guy you want representing those of you on the right? Jon, free speach and all that, remember? You may not like the message, but he has a right to say it. The ACLU consistently backs the Klans' right to get its message out. Jon's upset because I told the truth about him. I got tired of his foul mouth so I felt it was time to give him a taste of his own medicine. Poor boy got all upset. Bwahahahahahah typical two faced mammas boy. He can dish it out but..... Reminds me of Kerry.......Bush is gonna kick his ass back under his wifes skirt. Joe |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for
no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Donal" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message "Donal" wrote in message Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam? Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have noticed that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint. That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush administration. Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq. Shame on you. Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion. Rubbish! You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, You said, .. and I quote "Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq". Are you intellectually incapable of understanding that you have said that you are pleased that Al Qaeda have been diverted into Iraq? Do you really feel that they have been weakened? but made no morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in Iraq vs. those in the US. Yes you did. You feel that Al Qaeda have been weakened. Yet many more innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the WTC incident. Is it anti-American to tell the truth? Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. I think that you need to do some research, Al Qaeda's prime target is the "West". Beyond attacking US soldiers and US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. You don't use aircraft, do you? Anybody who flies on commercial airlines will be aware of the effect of Al Qaeda. That translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers, civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned, that's another matter entirely. And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or anyone other than Islamic extremists. Terrorism *is* terrorism. I don't make any attempt to justify the murder of any humans. Do you? Regards Donal -- |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? If you're referring to soldiers, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.' Soldiers follow orders; good, bad or otherwise. They are NOT innocents. Would you consider innocent the dupes who wear 30# of C-4 into a crowd and detonate it as instructed by al qaeda operatives? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? I left my complete post (below) for you to re-read and show me where I said that such individuals were NOT innocent civilian victims. Please do that now. Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. It's extremely myopic to reason that the war was started for "no good reason." The majority of Iraqis are happy to have Saddam gone. Most wish he were dead. That is one good reason. I can give you others, despite the reason for Bush's rush to war not being one of them. Don't forget that John Kerry voted for this war. He must have thought there was a good reason. That said, it is still tragic when innocents are casualties in ANY war, justified or not. Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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"Joe" wrote in message "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon. Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point. Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just most of them. Max |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Donal" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message "Donal" wrote in message Hasn't Al Qaeda been mortally weakened by the defeat of Saddam? Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq to torment the US and the new Iraqi ruling council. You might have noticed that they've not accomplished anything in the USA since 9/11, beyond the ongoing frustration and expense incurred by our gummint. That's a very interesting point of view. You have manage to sum up, very succinctly, the arrogance that is generating so much hostility to the Bush administration. Your post demonstrates, very clearly, that you place a much lower value on the lives of innocent Iraqi people, than you do on innocent Americans. You seem to obtain a degree of satisfaction from the fact that your President's actions mean that Al Qaeda is active in Iraq. Shame on you. Shame on you for making this insipid leap of illogic. Only your extreme anti-US bias could lead you to such a one-sided conclusion. Rubbish! Do you deny that you hate my country and everything about it? Do you deny that when presented with possibilities regarding the USA that you'll always accept as gospel that which denegrates her? You sarcastically asked if al qaeda had been weakened since the fall of Saddam. I gave reasons why the organization had been weakened, You said, .. and I quote "Al qaeda has been weakened, but only because they've been kept busy shoveling ignorant, uneducated dupes (suicide bombers) and money into Iraq". Are you intellectually incapable of understanding that you have said that you are pleased that Al Qaeda have been diverted into Iraq? Do you really feel that they have been weakened? Put words in you own mouth, Donal, and thoughts into you own distorted mind. Do NOT put them in mine. You, it would appear, are intellectually incapable of realizing that that was statement of fact, not of preference or pleasure. As I stated before, al qaeda has made it abundantly clear that the USA is its prime target, the sole thrust of its efforts. In that it has been unable to accomplish its goal of killing innocent civilians in this country, YES, it has been weakened. And this statement bears no pretense to preference of this action over action in the USA. It is simply a statement of fact. You seem to have problems discussing issues dispassionately, doncha. But then you are so filled with hatred for my country that you simply are unable to be anything but derogatory. but made no morality judgments whatsoever toward the innocents being slaughtered in Iraq vs. those in the US. Yes you did. Hogwash. Only in your decidedly myopic view. You feel that Al Qaeda have been weakened. Yet many more innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq than were killed in the WTC incident. Is it anti-American to tell the truth? If al qaeda's mission was to kill innocents anywhere, I'd have to agree that they'd not been weakened. If their goal was to disrupt political and economic processes in any old country, I'd agree. But it is not. They (bin Laden, others) have stated unequivocally that the US is their target. Not Iraq, not Britain, not Ireland. The USA. Al qaeda's prime target is and has been the US and its citizens, by its own admission repeatedly. I think that you need to do some research, Al Qaeda's prime target is the "West". Hmmm? I was unaware that Iraq was included in "the west." Beyond attacking US soldiers and US contractors in Iraq, it has been ineffective in that regard. You don't use aircraft, do you? Anybody who flies on commercial airlines will be aware of the effect of Al Qaeda. I'm well aware of the changes in airline security. How much I fly is none of your business. But suffice it to say that these same near-draconian measures have been taken by El Al for decades. Do you consider the increased security as an al qaeda success? Strange logic indeed, and I've no doubt bin Laden would strongly disagree with you. That translates to weakened. Now, if you'd care to discuss my feelings toward ANY needless victims of al qaeda, including OTHER coalition soldiers, civilians of OTHER countries, and the innocent Iraqis you mentioned, that's another matter entirely. And shame on you for attempting to place blame for terrorism on the US or anyone other than Islamic extremists. Terrorism *is* terrorism. I don't make any attempt to justify the murder of any humans. Did I accuse you of attempting "to justify the murder of any humans?" Your debating skills are, um . . . arcane. Do you? That doesn't deserve an answer. Max |
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According to the IDIOT joey, he'd rather have a president lie
to the American people, rather than garner support by telling the truth. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to facts.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Joe" wrote in message "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon. Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point. Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just most of them. Max |
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I think you need to take a remedial course in reading comprehension.
You don't seem to be able to follow simple logic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? If you're referring to soldiers, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.' Soldiers follow orders; good, bad or otherwise. They are NOT innocents. Would you consider innocent the dupes who wear 30# of C-4 into a crowd and detonate it as instructed by al qaeda operatives? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? I left my complete post (below) for you to re-read and show me where I said that such individuals were NOT innocent civilian victims. Please do that now. Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. It's extremely myopic to reason that the war was started for "no good reason." The majority of Iraqis are happy to have Saddam gone. Most wish he were dead. That is one good reason. I can give you others, despite the reason for Bush's rush to war not being one of them. Don't forget that John Kerry voted for this war. He must have thought there was a good reason. That said, it is still tragic when innocents are casualties in ANY war, justified or not. Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to *facts.* Must have been a typo, Jon, because you certainly must have meant *liberal lies.* Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Joe" wrote in message "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon. Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point. Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just most of them. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I think you need to take a remedial course in reading comprehension. You don't seem to be able to follow *simple* logic. Surely you mean *simple-minded* Jon. Max |
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So it's better that we kill them instead (as we've been doing)? Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Right only approaching 1000 US solders have died and 1000s more have been wounded. It seems to me that it's approaching 9/11. Soldiers are not innocent civilians, Jon. Or were you having difficulty making that distinction? And, I haven't even mentioned other foreign troops or innocent Iraqies. Other foreign troops are not innocent civilians either. As for innocent Iraqis, I'm betting a lot of them weren't *innocent.* As for the truly innocent ones, it is most unfortunate. Living in a war zone isn't healthy for bystanders. I grieve for any innocent civilians killed by terrorism or war. Max |
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That would be your typo. I don't distinguish between liars.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Well, it's not my fault if you're too stupid to listen to *facts.* Must have been a typo, Jon, because you certainly must have meant *liberal lies.* Max -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Joe" wrote in message "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Really? They're not innocent, when they were put in harms way for no good reason? The small children, old people, and women of Iraq weren't innocent victims? Wow, you're quite a humanitarian! But, living in a war zone, a war started for no good reason, hey that's just tough luck. Max, According to the IDIOT jonathan, it would of been better to just let Saddam kill another 250,000 + of his guilty people. Not to mention the other 100,000 that he was nice to and only chopped off body parts. Joe Jon is typical of the Bush-hating crowd, given to such extremely distorted thinking that anything Bush does is more heinous than anything Saddam, Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot might have done. Jon's irrationality, and that of those like him, will backfire eventually. Failing to apply reason to their arguments will ultimately cause more thoughtful, reasoned folks to distance themselves from the likes of Michael Moore and Jon. Democrat actor Ron Silver was on O'Reilly tonight, making this same point. Unusual for a Hollywood liberal, but finally demonstrating that intelligent folks do exist on the liberal side. Not all are knee-jerk extremists--just most of them. Max |
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I don't know. Are you simple-minded?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I think you need to take a remedial course in reading comprehension. You don't seem to be able to follow *simple* logic. Surely you mean *simple-minded* Jon. Max |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I don't know. Are you simple-minded? No. But I can point toward someone who most assuredly is. Max |
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