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Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed
to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose
what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. I say go ahead and vote for Bu****. It's not going to make any difference. He's going to LOSE. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
This thread is not about what I believe. None of
your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
"Bart Senior" wrote in message t... Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. Conservatives? Goldwater was a Conservative AFAIK there are no real conservatives on either side. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. If you read the historical part of the Roe vs Wade decision you'd know that is not what concervatives believe either. The only people who believe *human* life begins at conception are religious kooks - people with the simple minds of 3-year-olds who have an invisible friend that tells them to think that. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. They do??Teddy K is a liberal? His bodyguards carry Uzis! Diane Fienstein has a permit to carry. The real anti-gun cranks are the Methodist and other churches who fund Sarah Brady and other politicians. Follow "deep-throat's" advice - follow the money and you'll see. He represents conservative values, .... Please define "conservative values". To me there is only one: "That government is best that governs least" - the one that gave us the Constitution of the United States. Lest we forget, the people who wrap themselves in the flag and call themselves "conservative" today are in fact the spiritual heirs of the tolatarian theocrats who made even birth control illegal early in the last century. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone ..... Yup, for the same reason that no "conservatives" are openly promising to outlaw abortion and birth control - again - even tho that's their adjenda. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. Then Reagan and Bush are bigger liberals than Clinton or Kerry. Has government shrank under either one? No, it grew! The difference is Clinton made us pay as we go by raising taxes while Reagan and Bush ran up huge deficites for our children and grandchildren to pay. Jeeze, Bush BORROWs more money per year then liberal JFK spent! Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? AFAIK we've never had one that wasn't, at least in my lifetime. Do you? I just read where Bush's National Guard records were "accidentally" destroyed. |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about
not allowing every wacko to own a gun, it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... This thread is not about what I believe. None of your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, which wackos should own guns? And who decides this? SV, card carrying whacko since '78 |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message t... Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** Funny, I am liberal, and I consider my self a proud individual, proud of who I am and proud of my personal accomplishments As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. Since when are positive values the sole property of conservatives? He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. I have always believed life begins at conception or soon there after, and I am liberal, How can thet be? He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. I cannot own a gun and be liberal? Ok if you say so, just don't break into my house, you may be surprised. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, I also belive that it may be between two individuals who love ,respect and are devoted to eachother regardless of sex. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Since when are positive values the sole property of conservatives? Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Have you ever looked up the meaning of Liberal? It means one who is acceptant to change. Are you saying that the conservative movement today is not trying to change things in our society today? All liberals, including Ralph Nader, Michael Moore ect? Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. Contempory liberalism has given us social security, NLRB, the Clean water bill,the clean air act, education and acess to higher education through federal programs(which generate more economic activity by training the masses for higher paying jobs). And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Unilateral disarmement, I think the Roosevelt presidency would show that to be wrong, as well as the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. Besides shouldn't you exhaust all possible options, diplomatic and economic ect, before you send our soldiers into harms way? Also who is defining good and evil, you or me? Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. I think if you would speak to most liberals they wouldn't disarm and turn our defense completely over to the UN, but certianly the UN can be used as a spring-board in order to keep things in check and the lines of communication open to avoid sending our armed forces into harms way unnecessarily, also we could reduce our military expense if we could get the burden shared instead of going off half cocked( as in the unfounded WMD debate). Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decade s. Kerry isn't a true liberal, he is the most liberal of the 2 prime candidates running. His doctrine is centrist, and one of more consensus rather than the "my way or the high... highwhatever I think, how do you spell that?" of the current occupier of that office. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. We have a president who is at best one who acts on incomplete information, interprets information to his advantage and at worst is an out an out liar, I hope for the first scenario, but it says little of his intuitive abilities and his ability to admit a mistake. IMHO Philip Carroll |
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No the thread is about what YOU feel Kerry believes. You are not in his mind
and therefore cannot speak with any first hand knowledge, only an interpreterpation of what you preceive as his feelings based on your own observations. But that is not how you titled it. "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... This thread is not about what I believe. None of your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
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I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands
of people who've been in mental institutions for example. Where were you staying? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote ... it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, which wackos should own guns? And who decides this? SV, card carrying whacko since '78 |
Conservatives are Proud, Liberals Aren't..
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Scooty |
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No it's about a childs right to life. It's about denying
protection to law abiding citizen to protect themselves as per the second amendment--where Massachussetts has declared war on gun ownership and gunshops. How companssionate is he when he supports killing babies? If Kerry had any guts he'd stand up for what he believes in--he just said he was pro-life, but he votes pro-choice. He is what he is. A liar, with no values, who changes his position based on the wind direction that day. Jonathan Ganz wrote It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... This thread is not about what I believe. None of your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
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I prefer AK-47s... cheaper.
You stole towels from a mental hospital??? We're talking klepto... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Scooty |
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The child's rights before it's born? As opposed to keeping
the mother safe and healthy? Which babies are you talking about? The ones in Vietnam? Everyone is a friend of the fetus, but after it's born, they run like hell. It's about keeping Uzis out of the hands of the mentally difficient and obvious criminals. Ah, pro-life... meaning in favor of life. Pro-choice... meaning the woman has the right to decide what happens to her own body. I don't see a contradiction. Besides, why do you care? You're not going to be a mother and have to make that very hard choice. Gov't will trust a woman (and a man) to teach kids, to mold them into solid, trustworthy citizens, but the gov't won't trust a woman to decide to bring a life into the world. What is Kerry lying about? Not showing up for his physical because he was an addict and a drunk? About WMDs being in Iraq? So, vote for that asshole in the White House. If you have any guts and he wins, you'll get what you deserve. Unfortunately, so will the rest of us. You sound pretty desperate to me. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... No it's about a childs right to life. It's about denying protection to law abiding citizen to protect themselves as per the second amendment--where Massachussetts has declared war on gun ownership and gunshops. How companssionate is he when he supports killing babies? If Kerry had any guts he'd stand up for what he believes in--he just said he was pro-life, but he votes pro-choice. He is what he is. A liar, with no values, who changes his position based on the wind direction that day. Jonathan Ganz wrote It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... This thread is not about what I believe. None of your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, I'm very confused by this. Are you saying that it is OK to kill an unborn baby and it is wrong to carry a gun? I think that you must live in a severley f*cked up society. it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. Kerry supports the murder of the innocent, as does Bush. Given your choice, I'd probably vote for Kerry. Dead babies will produce fewer terrorists. Regards Donal -- |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I prefer AK-47s... cheaper. You stole towels from a mental hospital??? We're talking klepto... They were given to me when I left. Honest. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Scooty |
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"Donal" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, I'm very confused by this. Are you saying that it is OK to kill an unborn baby and it is wrong to carry a gun? only if you're a whacko, according to Jon. I think that you must live in a severley f*cked up society. don't keep up with US news much, do ya? .. Dead babies will produce fewer terrorists. but they don't pay taxes. SV |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote Ah, pro-life... meaning in favor of life. Pro-choice... meaning the woman has the right to decide what happens to her own body. and the baby inside her body, which BTW also has a daddy. SV |
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I believe you ... really!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I prefer AK-47s... cheaper. You stole towels from a mental hospital??? We're talking klepto... They were given to me when I left. Honest. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Scooty |
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The baby insider her body, which may not even be viable, which
may not have a daddy that can be found or who's give a sh*t, which may endanger the life of its mother, or may cause her to lose her job or have to drop out of school. Is that the baby you're talking about? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote Ah, pro-life... meaning in favor of life. Pro-choice... meaning the woman has the right to decide what happens to her own body. and the baby inside her body, which BTW also has a daddy. SV |
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Not at all. I have no objection to carrying a gun. I just have an objection
to mentally deficient people and criminals from carrying one. I think abortion is terrible, but sometimes it's better than the alternative. I can't see how anyone would think Kerry supports the murder of innocents. I don't believe Bush does either. He's just not interested either way. It's all abstract to him, maybe because he's never been to war. You're right though...we do have a ****ed up society... the best one on the planet thank you very much. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, I'm very confused by this. Are you saying that it is OK to kill an unborn baby and it is wrong to carry a gun? I think that you must live in a severley f*cked up society. it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. Kerry supports the murder of the innocent, as does Bush. Given your choice, I'd probably vote for Kerry. Dead babies will produce fewer terrorists. Regards Donal -- |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | I prefer AK-47s... cheaper. Those suck backwash..... shoot poorly and misfire a lot. CM |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... The baby insider her body, which may not even be viable, which may not have a daddy that can be found or who's give a sh*t, which may endanger the life of its mother, or may cause her to lose her job or have to drop out of school. Is that the baby you're talking about? No, not that one, the one next to her. SV |
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That's why I like them... less chance of hitting someone. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... | I prefer AK-47s... cheaper. Those suck backwash..... shoot poorly and misfire a lot. CM |
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OIC. Sorry for the confusion.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... The baby insider her body, which may not even be viable, which may not have a daddy that can be found or who's give a sh*t, which may endanger the life of its mother, or may cause her to lose her job or have to drop out of school. Is that the baby you're talking about? No, not that one, the one next to her. SV |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:13:32 GMT, "Bart Senior"
wrote this crap: Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. Wait till he starts talking about family values. Didn't he divorce his first wife, so he could marry his best friend's rich widow? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:13:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. Then why is prostitution illegal? So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. It was a crazed liberal-whacko who shot Reagan. By the laws of the day, he shouldn't have owned a gun. No laws of any kind would have changed that. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. Now there's the truth. I say go ahead and vote for Bu****. It's not going to make any difference. He's going to LOSE. Lose what? Certainly not the election. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:35:53 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. They do now. It's illegal for former mental patients to own guns. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On 9 Jul 2004 21:03:01 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote
this crap: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Mine are from the Bates Motel. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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So you believe partial birth abortion is about the mother's health?
Hahahahahahahaha! What a moron! Jonathan Ganz wrote: The child's rights before it's born? As opposed to keeping the mother safe and healthy? Which babies are you talking about? The ones in Vietnam? Everyone is a friend of the fetus, but after it's born, they run like hell. It's about keeping Uzis out of the hands of the mentally difficient and obvious criminals. Ah, pro-life... meaning in favor of life. Pro-choice... meaning the woman has the right to decide what happens to her own body. I don't see a contradiction. Besides, why do you care? You're not going to be a mother and have to make that very hard choice. Gov't will trust a woman (and a man) to teach kids, to mold them into solid, trustworthy citizens, but the gov't won't trust a woman to decide to bring a life into the world. What is Kerry lying about? Not showing up for his physical because he was an addict and a drunk? About WMDs being in Iraq? So, vote for that asshole in the White House. If you have any guts and he wins, you'll get what you deserve. Unfortunately, so will the rest of us. You sound pretty desperate to me. "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... No it's about a childs right to life. It's about denying protection to law abiding citizen to protect themselves as per the second amendment--where Massachussetts has declared war on gun ownership and gunshops. How companssionate is he when he supports killing babies? If Kerry had any guts he'd stand up for what he believes in--he just said he was pro-life, but he votes pro-choice. He is what he is. A liar, with no values, who changes his position based on the wind direction that day. Jonathan Ganz wrote It's about Kerry believing in a woman's right to choose, it's about not allowing every wacko to own a gun, it's about Kerry having common values just like most thinking Republicans. Kerry is a compassionate Liberal, which actually means something unlike Bu****'s compassionate Conservatism lies. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message t... This thread is not about what I believe. None of your rant made any sense. It about what Kerry says he believes. He, like most liberal politicians, is not proud of his beliefs. Liberal extremism is what most people in the US find frightening. Uncontrolled spending, rewarding the welfare mentality, denying honest people the right to protect themselves, are just a few of these wacko ideals. All of these have been proven to be failures. Kerry will lose the upcoming election because most American's consider liberalism to be extremism. He is not trying to distance himself from liberalism. What he is doing now is laughable. Gov Davis ruined the California economy, and Bustamante lost to Schwarzenegger for the same reason. At the time the extremists in the SF Bay area were shocked tha Bustamante lost. Their comments were--"The rest of California was uninformed and stupid." Meanwhile, the rest of California was laughing at the liberal extremists because they were to stupid ones that can't comprehend cause and effect. Now the tax base in California has been ruined and will not recover for ten or more years--all because of liberal spending and stupid laws raising workman's comp costs. By the way, I support the liberal idea of charity for others in need. I just don't comprehend why Liberals promote this belief, yet don't give much themselves. If liberals were charitable, they wouldn't need everyone else to pay for their beliefs. How much has Kerry given in the last 20 years, compared to his wealth? If he has that much money why doesn't he do some good with it? He could afford to give away more than half his weath and still live comfortably. He could be a hero. Not Kerry, not the Clintons, not Jackson. They are all greedy people promising so much for the poor, while selling out America and lining their own pockets. Jonathan Ganz wrote the following typical liberal nonsense, trying to change the subject and not make any constructive commentary. [Remember, Rule 1 of Extremist Liberalism, when you don't have an argument, attack the messenger.] So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. So, you believe that common values cannot be held by Democrats, but rather only by extremist right-wing freaks such as Limbaugh and Pat Robertson. Got it. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. "Bart Senior" wrote Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. He now says life begins at conception. That is not what liberals believe. He's a friend of gun owners. Liberals hate gun owners. He believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. That's not what the liberals in this country are trying to support. He represents conservative values, he said. His Benedict Arnold statements made repeatedly during the primaries were the result of overaggressive speechwriters, not what he thought. Kerry is doing this precisely because he knows liberalism is a political millstone around the neck of any modern presidential candidate. And so do all these other liberals in the media and the Democratic Party, when you accuse this ticket of being the most liberal in the history of the Democratic Party, "What do you mean, liberal? I don't understand. You guys keep throwing that ward around, doesn't mean anything." Rather than, flex any muscles and say, damn right, I'm a liberal. They run from it because it is a millstone. Contemporary liberalism has been shown to be a failure in social policy; for example, in welfare, crime, and education; economic policy, contemporary liberalism leads to high taxes, suffocating regulations, tariffs, the nanny state, if you will. And contemporary liberalism has in foreign and defense policy, leads to unilateral disarmament and unwillingness to use American force, disdain for the idea of American exceptionalism, that's e-x-c, exceptionalism, a deep comfort with framing international issues in terms of right and wrong and good and evil, a discomfort with that. Those are all elements of contemporary liberalism in foreign and defense policy. Get rid of all of our weapons, turn over defense to international bodies like the UN, reluctance to use force, disdain for the idea that America is exceptional, we're no better, we're no different than anybody else; in fact, we have no right to impose ourselves on people, which we don't do. Kerry understands this. He understands he cannot be tagged as a liberal, and so he's going to extraordinary rhetorical and photo op lengths to shed the liberal label. His problem is that as a Massachusetts attorney general and senator his entire political career has been characterized by liberalism. This is not a attack, and that's another thing. You call a liberal a liberal and they say, "You are attacking me, this is a dirty trick. This is attack politics." How can it be? To simply identify them is a dirty trick. But it is to them, it's an epithet. It's not an attack, simply an empirical statement based on Kerry's long voting record, liberalism is the political well from which he has consumed beverages for two decades. ****************************************** Just as George Bush, Sr, commented on the lies and lack of intergirty of Bill Clinton, we are seeing the same sorts of lies out of Kerry. Do we want a President that is a liar and a fraud? The answer is clear, unless you are a liberal and approve of liars. -- jlrogers±³© Never date a woman you can hear ticking. - Mark Patinkin Eschew Obfuscation. |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:44:02 -0400, Horvath
wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:13:32 GMT, "Bart Senior" wrote this crap: Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. Wait till he starts talking about family values. Didn't he divorce his first wife, so he could marry his best friend's rich widow? You can find a way to be wrong about the simplest of things. Kerry's divorce was in 1988. Senator Heinz died in 1991. Therefore, the current Mrs Kerry didn't become a "rich widow" until 3 years after Kerry's divorce. |
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You're the guy with the tits hiding in the corner.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 9 Jul 2004 21:03:01 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote this crap: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. and everybody else can own Uzis? Where were you staying? The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Mine are from the Bates Motel. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Wow... I think they forgot about you!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:35:53 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example. They do now. It's illegal for former mental patients to own guns. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Yes it is. Do some researh before you make yourself look
even dumber. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message om... So you believe partial birth abortion is about the mother's health? Hahahahahahahaha! I'm a moron! |
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Good question. It shouldn't be.
No waiting period was in place. No national registry. You're going to lose your tits??? No way! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:13:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: So, you don't believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens with her own body. Got it. Then why is prostitution illegal? So, you believe that anyone can own whatever gun they want without regulation, even thought that sort of practice almost killed Reagan and seriously injured Brady and others. Got it. It was a crazed liberal-whacko who shot Reagan. By the laws of the day, he shouldn't have owned a gun. No laws of any kind would have changed that. So, you believe that just because you lost your job under Clinton, therefore, despite the facts, he's responsible for everything bad in America. Got it. Now there's the truth. I say go ahead and vote for Bu****. It's not going to make any difference. He's going to LOSE. Lose what? Certainly not the election. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Horass is just stooopid.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "felton" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 06:44:02 -0400, Horvath wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:13:32 GMT, "Bart Senior" wrote this crap: Proof that Liberals lie and are ashamed to be liberals. ****************************** As all of you well know, John Kerry is making conservative values statements faster than anybody can count. Wait till he starts talking about family values. Didn't he divorce his first wife, so he could marry his best friend's rich widow? You can find a way to be wrong about the simplest of things. Kerry's divorce was in 1988. Senator Heinz died in 1991. Therefore, the current Mrs Kerry didn't become a "rich widow" until 3 years after Kerry's divorce. |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:24:45 GMT, felton wrote
this crap: Wait till he starts talking about family values. Didn't he divorce his first wife, so he could marry his best friend's rich widow? You can find a way to be wrong about the simplest of things. Kerry's divorce was in 1988. Senator Heinz died in 1991. Therefore, the current Mrs Kerry didn't become a "rich widow" until 3 years after Kerry's divorce. Uh huh. Don't you think he was already hitting on her while her husband was sick and dying? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:51:39 -0400, Horvath wrote:
You can find a way to be wrong about the simplest of things. Kerry's divorce was in 1988. Senator Heinz died in 1991. Therefore, the current Mrs Kerry didn't become a "rich widow" until 3 years after Kerry's divorce. Uh huh. Don't you think he was already hitting on her while her husband was sick and dying? Have you ever been right about anything? John Heinz died in a plane crash. |
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He's been right about finding his boyfriend in a homeless shelter.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:51:39 -0400, Horvath wrote: You can find a way to be wrong about the simplest of things. Kerry's divorce was in 1988. Senator Heinz died in 1991. Therefore, the current Mrs Kerry didn't become a "rich widow" until 3 years after Kerry's divorce. Uh huh. Don't you think he was already hitting on her while her husband was sick and dying? Have you ever been right about anything? John Heinz died in a plane crash. |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
I think the gov't needs to try and keep guns out of the hands of people who've been in mental institutions for example..... Surprise! So does the NRA! That's why NRA backed current laws that require background checks instead of just a two week wait to purchase. Soft-headed religious kooks running the united methodist and other churches believe it sinful to punish criminals. They believe in turning the other cheek. If a man rapes your wife, give him your daughter and yourself as well! They have been 90% successful in eliminating government punishment. Convicted criminals now live in comfortable cells with TV and exercise equipment you can't afford. As a result, criminals now fear armed victims far more than capture. So now these idiots lobby to disarm us in order to protect those who prey on the weak. Preposterous? Go see how much money they've given Sarah Brady and her anti-gun fronts - money paritioners dropped into poor boxes to help the needy. |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote
The towels in my boat are from Torrance State Hospital. Torrance Ca.? Used to pass thru there on my way from beautiful downtown Compton headed for 'Mamies' in Redondo Beach. 'course Mamie's been gone a long time ..... |
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