Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

As a US owned and registered boat (state/fed doesn't matter) you are
always under the jurisdiction of the USCG as a minimum. The permit for
leaving. Most of us call it a passport.


Nothing new there. Yesterdays stuff. The people want to move on ..... (I
remember that lastline from somewhere but where?)

M.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came
over for a look-see.

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"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes
out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that
is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border
runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of
Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and
Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that
line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could
pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was
and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there
are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

"krj" wrote in message
. ..
....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on
travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United
States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard,
but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments.

Ahhh, err, what does "leaving the US" mean? Can I sail just outside the
limit to dump tanks then return? Sail out far enough to catch the gulf
stream going to Newport?

Sounds like great material for a Rush Limbaugh type comedian.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

The article was unclear as to what "leaving the US" meant. I don't think
my sailing from Miami to Ft. Lauderdale and going out 4 milew to catch
the stream and dump the tanks are "leaving the US", but we are outside
the 3 mile limit so technically I suppose we "left the US" if we were to
be stopped by the coasties.
krj

Vito wrote:

"krj" wrote in message
. ..

....The new restrictions, part of the Bush administration's crackdown on
travel to Cuba, prevent boaters from leaving any part of the United
States without first getting a permit, not just from the Coast Guard,
but also from the U.S. Treasury and Commerce departments.


Ahhh, err, what does "leaving the US" mean? Can I sail just outside the
limit to dump tanks then return? Sail out far enough to catch the gulf
stream going to Newport?

Sounds like great material for a Rush Limbaugh type comedian.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

If there are any drilling rigs within a few hundred miles of the East or
West coast, my bet is they extended the US border to include it so it could
be taxed!

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Next time they fly over have your crew dress in Arab garb and wrap a towel
around their head and then you can talk and visit with the Coast Guard in
person and give them a tour of your boat. You might even get a tow back.

I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came
over for a look-see.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were followed
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew my sailing abilities.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came
over for a look-see.

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"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that
is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border
runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of
Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and
Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that
line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could
pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was
and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there
are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which
are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12.

There is a similar line (Called "The Hague Line") between US and
Canadian fishing waters south of the Bay of Fundy. Canadian CG
sometimes arrests US fishboats that cross the line.

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:31:17 -0500, "FamilySailor" wrote:

In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Never eat more in a single day than your head weighs." --Jim Harrison

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Clearly, they were so impressed after they saw us sailing that
they discounted those reports.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were followed
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew my sailing abilities.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Perhaps not.

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"FamilySailor" wrote in message
...
Next time they fly over have your crew dress in Arab garb and wrap a towel
around their head and then you can talk and visit with the Coast Guard in
person and give them a tour of your boat. You might even get a tow back.

I don't know what the limit on the Pacific Coast is... 3 miles I
thought,
but when we were off San Diego about 200 miles, we were overflown
by a CG search and rescue. Clearly, they knew were there and came
over for a look-see.

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

The legal jurisdictional limit is 200 miles offshore. This is the thorectical
limit of the Coast Guard, however the law states that the US governemt has
jurisdiction over all US citizens regardless of their location in the world and
claim jurisdiction for all waters not claimed by other nations. Legally if you
commit a crime in another country or in international water and if you are a US
citizen, the US can prosecute you. If you have any doubts I can refer you to a
former friend of mine that is doing 15 years for a crime he commited 370 miles
south-southeast of New Orleans. The US Coast Guard apprehended him when he
crossed within the 200 mile limit of the US. The government's contention was
that he was witnessed by DEA agents having possession of an illegal drug
although none were found when his boat was searched by the Coast Guard.

Just some food for thought!

Dennis

From: "FamilySailor"
Date: 7/9/04 1:31 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

In Texas the State has jurisdiction out 3 miles. If you are more that 3
miles offshore you are out of the state, but the line for the US goes out
into the Gulf of Mexico until it borders Mexican waters and that is........
not sure exactly, but over 150 miles offshore. The US / Mexican border runs
straight out from where the Rio Grand river spills into the Gulf of Mexico.
I know, because I commercial fished along the line 20 years ago and Mexican
gun boats ran along the line looking for boats that floated across that line
staying by their fishing gear as it drifted. They would confiscate your
boat, gear, crew and you and throw you in jail, until your family could pay
some ungodly $200,000 fine or more, depending on how nice your boat was and
how much they thought your family might have. I would have rotted there.

Not sure how far it extends out in the Atlantic or Pacific. I know there are
no international water in the Gulf of Mexico though.

Sea Yawl,
John

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
THis confuses economic or fishing zones with territorial waters, which
are 3 miles for US, although many countries claim 12.

Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US
territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.)

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

"andrew m. boardman" wrote in message

| Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US
| territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.)

Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as
well!

CM

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"andrew m. boardman" wrote in message

| Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the US
| territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December 1988.)

Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as
well!

CM


You Cankkoks can claim the whole ocean, The only thing that matters is
can you enforce it. With the state of your Navy, I would fell free to
run about your terrioritorial waters without risk of being
bothered.....er, unless it's to rescue one of your downed helocopters.
;O)

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
| You Cankkoks can claim the whole ocean, The only thing that matters is
| can you enforce it. With the state of your Navy, I would fell free to
| run about your terrioritorial waters without risk of being
| bothered.....er, unless it's to rescue one of your downed helocopters.
| ;O)

Thank Gawd for that... they don't bother us either... no jack-booted
boarding's and Coast Guard patrols the fishing boats...... if I see a
chopper I make certain to stay well out of it's drop zone... those things
fall for no reason at all!!

It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!

;-)

CM

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Capt.,
Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as
ours are either.
Paul

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!

;-)

CM

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because it's
an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and
cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but
heck.... nobody is being arrested.

We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it
would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they
get over it! ;-)

BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???

CM


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
| Capt.,
| Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as
| ours are either.
| Paul
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!
|
| ;-)
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:06:50 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
| said:
|
| It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!
|
| And I see your guvmint is even protecting you from the corrupting
influence
| of Fox News. G

Oh Gosh No... I get Fox here on the television. I always wear my American
Flag Bandana when I watch. ;-)

My favourite time was the Black-Out in New York.... Fox was blaming Canada
within 30 seconds of broadcast! It's okay.. we got broad shoulders and real
beer!

CM

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

We already tried War on Canada. It didn't work out.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because
it's
an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and
cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but
heck.... nobody is being arrested.

We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it
would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they
get over it! ;-)

BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???

CM


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
| Capt.,
| Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as
| ours are either.
| Paul
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!
|
| ;-)
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

We probably didn't notice you guys "Invading"... since so many of you are
already here and like it better than your own country.

Either that or the Metric System screwed you up again. ;-)

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| We already tried War on Canada. It didn't work out.
|
| --
| "j" ganz @@
| www.sailnow.com
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because
| it's
| an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and
| cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but
| heck.... nobody is being arrested.
|
| We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it
| would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping
they
| get over it! ;-)
|
| BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???
|
| CM
|
|
| "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
| ...
| | Capt.,
| | Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded
as
| | ours are either.
| | Paul
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| |
| | It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!
| |
| | ;-)
| |
| | CM
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

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Doesn't have of the 35% have to be in French?

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:55:59 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
said:

Oh Gosh No... I get Fox here on the television. I always wear my American
Flag Bandana when I watch. ;-)

I'm talking about the Fox News channel, not regular Fox network. According
to today's WSJ they've been trying to get in since 1999, but have been
shut
out because they weren't willing to provide 35% Canadian content;
according
to the Journal piece Fox has received thousands of calls and e-mails
requesting the news channel. Only ones legally getting it are Parliament,
which got a feed last August. Perhaps you're among the 1 million Canadian
households grabbing U.S. signals illegally?

But hey, you're getting al-Jazeera.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Just for the record, the 300 mile limit is a fishing management area, not to
be confused with the the typical 12 mile limit to international waters.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"andrew m. boardman" wrote in message

| Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the
US
| territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December
1988.)

Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did as
well!

CM

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:55:59 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
| said:
|
| Oh Gosh No... I get Fox here on the television. I always wear my American
| Flag Bandana when I watch. ;-)
|
| I'm talking about the Fox News channel, not regular Fox network. According
| to today's WSJ they've been trying to get in since 1999, but have been
shut
| out because they weren't willing to provide 35% Canadian content;
according
| to the Journal piece Fox has received thousands of calls and e-mails
| requesting the news channel. Only ones legally getting it are Parliament,
| which got a feed last August. Perhaps you're among the 1 million Canadian
| households grabbing U.S. signals illegally?

Don't the Fox Channel have Fox News?? I got cable... so I get CNN, FOX,
NBC, TBS, A&E, TLC, Detriot Public, BBC, and of course the CBC. Never Mind
Much Music and all the Movie Channels as well as Cell phone and Internet
bundle. I've never seen Canadian Content on CNN or NBC.

|
| But hey, you're getting al-Jazeera.

No... I don't think that will happen. Most of the Muslims are watching
American News Broadcasts to prepare for crossing the border into the USA.
You should see how many Muslims are lined up at the US Embassy getting
VISAS!!
The sooner we get them processed and out of here the better as far as I'm
concerned. ;-)
Click Click Click....... Whir-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r....BOOM!

CM

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Nope... we can sub-title that for the Muslims... most of the rest of us
already speak some French.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Doesn't have of the 35% have to be in French?
|
| --
| "j" ganz @@
| www.sailnow.com
|
| "Dave" wrote in message
| ...
| On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:55:59 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
| said:
|
| Oh Gosh No... I get Fox here on the television. I always wear my
American
| Flag Bandana when I watch. ;-)
|
| I'm talking about the Fox News channel, not regular Fox network.
According
| to today's WSJ they've been trying to get in since 1999, but have been
| shut
| out because they weren't willing to provide 35% Canadian content;
| according
| to the Journal piece Fox has received thousands of calls and e-mails
| requesting the news channel. Only ones legally getting it are
Parliament,
| which got a feed last August. Perhaps you're among the 1 million
Canadian
| households grabbing U.S. signals illegally?
|
| But hey, you're getting al-Jazeera.
|
| Dave
| S/V Good Fortune
| CS27
|
| Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?
|
|

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

Look Dude... we're out there boarding vessels and towing them in if they
break the law really really really badly.

CM

"Norm Taylor" wrote in message
...
| Just for the record, the 300 mile limit is a fishing management area, not
to
| be confused with the the typical 12 mile limit to international waters.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "andrew m. boardman" wrote in message
|
| | Hmm? Acccording to a boilerplate note on every US chart I've got, the
| US
| | territorial sea is also 12 miles. (It was expanded on 27 December
| 1988.)
|
| Whoa Nellie..... Canada claims a 300 mile limit! I thought the USA did
as
| well!
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Well not exactly 'legal'... but the courts refuse to prosecute because
it's
an infringement on our Charter Of Rights. Courts refuse to prosecute and
cops refuse to arrest. Full legalization is a year or 2 away.... but
heck.... nobody is being arrested.

We're facing all kinds of threats from the USA if we proceed because it
would hold their "War on Drugs" to ridicule! Oh well... here's hoping they
get over it! ;-)

BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???

CM


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
| Capt.,
| Legal eh. What a concept. Bet your prisons aren't as over crowded as
| ours are either.
| Paul
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| It's not like we have a big smuggling problem... pot is legal!
|
| ;-)
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote
BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???

it's profitable.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
| BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???
|
| it's profitable.

Point taken...... but so are drugs!

CM

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"Dave" wrote in message
| It will. CRTC just granted al-Jazeera a Canadian license.

Oh Great.... now we'll be forever getting them across the border.

CM

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remember prohibition? Running rum from Canaduh in fast boats.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote
| BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???
|
| it's profitable.

Point taken...... but so are drugs!

CM

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We could get together with Loco and set up a fleet of Ultra Fast Hunter
285s...

We could give all the boats code names like Spliff, Blunt, Doobie and Bud!

Loco can be the Admiral... his code name could be Colonel Sensimila.

Man that would be fun Eh!?

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| remember prohibition? Running rum from Canaduh in fast boats.
|
| SV
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote
| | BTW - why is you guys always have to be at "War" about something???
| |
| | it's profitable.
|
| Point taken...... but so are drugs!
|
| CM
|
|
|

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
We could get together with Loco and set up a fleet of Ultra Fast Hunter
285s...

We could give all the boats code names like Spliff, Blunt, Doobie and Bud!

Loco can be the Admiral... his code name could be Colonel Sensimila.

Man that would be fun Eh!?

CM

yeah, a real pipe dream.......come true.
;)

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In article , says...


remember prohibition? Running rum from Canaduh in fast boats.

I guess that was the war against booze.

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You'd have thought they'd learned a lesson.

SV


"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article , says...


remember prohibition? Running rum from Canaduh in fast boats.

I guess that was the war against booze.

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We did... we learned Yanks can't hold their liquor!! ;-)

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| You'd have thought they'd learned a lesson.

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Lost THAT one! Thank goodness.

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Keith
__
Everybody should believe in something: I believe I'll have another drink.
"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article , says...


remember prohibition? Running rum from Canaduh in fast boats.

I guess that was the war against booze.

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Capt. Mooron wrote:
We did... we learned Yanks can't hold their liquor!! ;-)

Southerners, on the other hand, will be glad to show how they can hold
your liquor... at least for a little while...

DSK

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Capt. Mooron wrote:

We did... we learned Yanks can't hold their liquor!! ;-)

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| You'd have thought they'd learned a lesson.

Can't hold anything, because they squash their precious babies
against their girly boy breasts. Confused and jealous of real girl
breasts, they also want inner penises. Frustrated beasts, they kill
all they cannot romance.

Civilisation depends on freedom to innocently ignore "The
Government" in favour of local ordinance logically deducible by all.

Limiting government funding will shrink governments. Only taxpayers
can do this. Start a "business" and write off all of their income.
When they cannot afford lawyers to defend themselves, for want of
the dosh, they will declare war on legality, for they will run out
of courtrooms persuing "reasonable" tax. Sue for peace.

Take a law course from someone who will show you how to consume the
court's time, innocently. Or, you can think it up, yourself. Write a
book.

Let the governments revert to more profitable suits, against rich
businessmen. That is after all the real reason to have an accepted
local constabulary, to ensure their freight wagons do not destroy
our roads, nor their bill collectors murder and steal at will.

Fair weights and measures, all that. Local security. No foreign
excursions by the army, that sort of constitution honoured in spirit
and letter.

You see, too much government makes people uncivilised, really,
angry.

It is no large army that that threatens the american way of life. It
is perhaps two masked bank robbers legitimmately buying fertilizer
to put in your well while they help you re-write your will, smart
enough to take a law course to do it legally, to become ministers in
a church somewhere, to avoid tax, stupid enough to not realize that
what they are sending around will eventually return to haunt them,
somehow.

The government is expected to subsist on robbery, but no others may
do so, especially if they are businessmen about it.

So pay your tax on increase every year, say, one percent. That
should be enough, for they have also license fees collected from
business, not the owners of the pleasure roads that business covets.
Those roads were built by slaves and taxes, your progenitors, and
are yours, they do not belong to government, but to the people.
Require the big business shippers to go around, or build their own
roads, also under license and scrutiny. Let their consortiums
maintain the roads and govern their traffic, giving pleasure the
same rank as business on the roads. Or, let them bear the cost of
maintenance beyond what the local populace desires for pleasure, via
user pay, mileage and weight based licenses. Stop dunning the owners.

That would stimulate local manufactory, sales and distribution of
consumer goods from local materials, like infrastructure and trans
border financial security, the real American scandal, along with
drug restrictions. Yes, we have a war on drugs, prescription drugs,
and those who make them and wring from them every drop of mercy and
profit while innocents writhe in agony and fear, while they maintain
tax sheltered foreign villas whose main import is money.

These businessmen also export war for profit. Their enemies include
auditors. America must become a nation of bean counters.

The American government has found a way to spend limitlessly on it's
plans: war powers. Just declare war on something, and print the
money. That's why the space business (NASA) has so much money:
they're financed on a war budget. Are we fighting little green men,
or ignorance?

Ignorants, I say! Ignorant that there are important wars to be
honorably fought al all cost: the war against disease, with health
for all in the world the prize, the war against ignorance, in all
the world's schools, with knowledge for all the prize, the war
against bloated government, with a little freedom the prize, and
pride in a good thing.

If they won't let you leave without the right papers, change it from
within, chase out those who would sully paradise. Since when is the
USA a gulag? Just as you are stuck with a political duty, so you
have a political prize, a carrot to motivate you, freedom!

All this in light of what a CBC news announcer called "A'nal
Rights" (PETA) activists bitching about the type of teeth we use to
eat chickens.

Diversio[n]ary? I expect this posting to be cen[s]ored. If that
doesn't scare you, don't worry, it's beyond you. We all have to die,
anyway, eh?

Get busy. Go sailing. Or, come sailing. Lash the tiller and get to
it. Grog?

Terry K

Permit required to leave the US by boat
 

DSK wrote in message ...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
We did... we learned Yanks can't hold their liquor!! ;-)

Southerners, on the other hand, will be glad to show how they can hold
your liquor... at least for a little while...

DSK


Texans went south for our booze back then. Jose Queavo hired a many
skipper from the south coast.

No since going north if you have a local supplier

Joe