The path to enlightenment is paved with the stones of analysis, thought,
logic and deduction. He must pave his own way as we all have done. Only
the true sailor is capable of original thought (This excludes most
people with motorboats).

Cheers




Capt. Mooron wrote:

Aw fer cripes sake... just tell him it can't be done.... and be done with
it!
It's like you are doin' a Feng Shui Shish Kabob with the poor guy here!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...
| Think of a boat sailing on her mooring. Does not the aft end follow the
| bow? As she sails across the wind -tied to the mooring -does she not
| advance a little way up wind before stalling and tacking off again?
|
| Does that help you think more clearly grasshopper?

MC,
Just what are you smoking these days?

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Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought and logic.
I am looking to have it confirmed or denied. A little swinging back and
forth aside, I do not believe that it is possible for a spinnaker
particularly, but any other combination of sail for that matter, to turn a
boat on a bow mooring aft to wind. I believe that as all forces are
transferred to the boat aft of the bow, that the boat must be swung aft to
lee. Would you please be so kind as to weigh in with a non-arcane opinion?


"Nav" wrote in message
...
The path to enlightenment is paved with the stones of analysis, thought,
logic and deduction. He must pave his own way as we all have done. Only
the true sailor is capable of original thought (This excludes most
people with motorboats).

Cheers




Capt. Mooron wrote:

Aw fer cripes sake... just tell him it can't be done.... and be done
with
it!
It's like you are doin' a Feng Shui Shish Kabob with the poor guy here!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...
| Think of a boat sailing on her mooring. Does not the aft end follow
the
| bow? As she sails across the wind -tied to the mooring -does she not
| advance a little way up wind before stalling and tacking off again?
|
| Does that help you think more clearly grasshopper?

Yo Dude, did you consider a 5kt current with an opposing 1~2kt wind?

Scotty Dude

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought and
logic.

Yes I have, but this is really a question about what the sails are capable
of. That could occur with current with or without sails. I do not believe
that the sails could turn the boat aft to wind while on a mooring, spinnaker
or otherwise.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yo Dude, did you consider a 5kt current with an opposing 1~2kt wind?

Scotty Dude

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought and
logic.

I meant to practice raising your spinn.


"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Yes I have, but this is really a question about what the sails are capable
of. That could occur with current with or without sails. I do not
believe
that the sails could turn the boat aft to wind while on a mooring,
spinnaker
or otherwise.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yo Dude, did you consider a 5kt current with an opposing 1~2kt wind?

Scotty Dude

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought and
logic.

I see what you mean, however, if you look where the force of the sail is
transferred to the boat, I believe that even under those circumstances, the
spinnaker would then want to turn the boat aft to lee once again. Even if
the wind was light enough not to allow that to happen, that would be what
the force would be attempting to do. Just to clarify, my argument with my
friend is, "can a spinnaker turn the boat aft to wind?". I believe the
answer is no.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I meant to practice raising your spinn.


"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Yes I have, but this is really a question about what the sails are
capable
of. That could occur with current with or without sails. I do not
believe
that the sails could turn the boat aft to wind while on a mooring,
spinnaker
or otherwise.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Yo Dude, did you consider a 5kt current with an opposing 1~2kt wind?

Scotty Dude

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
Dude, I have done my own analysis and deduction based on thought
and
logic.

"Blorgad" wrote in

I do not believe
that the sails could turn the boat aft to wind while on a mooring,
spinnaker
or otherwise.


Sure they could, if you knew what you were doing.

Sv

Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing. How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a mooring?
I can visualize a possibility with something with a mizzen-sail, but I can't
see it on a sloop and particularly not with a spinnaker.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Blorgad" wrote in

I do not believe
that the sails could turn the boat aft to wind while on a mooring,
spinnaker
or otherwise.


Sure they could, if you knew what you were doing.

Sv

"Blorgad" wrote ...
Let's pretend that you knew what you were doing.

Sure, I do that all the time.

How would you use your
sails to turn a normal fractional-rig sloop aft to wind while on a
mooring?

I would pay out more line, say 600' or so, then backwind the jib till the
bow starts turning downwind, set the jib and steer downwind. Easy, eh?

SV