You know, the name calling really isn't called for. You state that flying a
spinnaker would only work if moored to the aft. I agree. However, do you
believe that it is at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Why don't you read my response again, you idiot.

Blorgad wrote

Hi Bart senior,

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a
spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat to
be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Bart Senior" wrote

On a calm day, you could fly it. It would only work
if you attached the mooring pennant to the stern of
the boat. The bow would have to face downwind.

Blorgad wrote
My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,
although
he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a
spinnaker
at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to
our
our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there
would
be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging
and
not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the
opinion
that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and
turn
the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the
mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point
where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that
under
no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that
the
aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to
swing
to
one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still
never
turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on
this
from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

"Blorgad" wrote in message
...
You know, the name calling really isn't called for. You state that flying
a
spinnaker would only work if moored to the aft. I agree.

I disagree.

In your initial post you mentioned calm air. In these conditions the boat
will influenced by the tide. It is quite possible that the boat would be
pointing directly downwind, or at almost any angle, depending on the
combinatination of wind and tide.

If the boat was lying with a little breeze just aft of the beam, then I see
no reason why you couldn't use the sails to "sail" the boat through the
tide.


However, do you
believe that it is at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?

It would be easy, in the right conditions, to get the aft end to *point*
upwind.


Regards


Donal
--






"Bart Senior" wrote in message
t...
Why don't you read my response again, you idiot.

Blorgad wrote

Hi Bart senior,

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a
spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat
to
be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Bart Senior" wrote

On a calm day, you could fly it. It would only work
if you attached the mooring pennant to the stern of
the boat. The bow would have to face downwind.

Blorgad wrote
My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour
of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,
although
he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a
spinnaker
at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We
eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as
to
our
our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that
there
would
be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging
and
not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the
opinion
that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and
turn
the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the
mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the
point
where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that
under
no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so
that
the
aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to
swing
to
one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still
never
turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on
this
from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

What not transfer your anchor warp to the stern?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:

My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience, although he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a spinnaker at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to our our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there would be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging and not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the opinion that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and turn the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that under no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that the aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to swing to one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still never turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on this from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Nav" wrote in message
...
What not transfer your anchor warp to the stern?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:

My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,
although he
has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a
spinnaker at
mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to our
our
different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there
would be
no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging and
not
really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the opinion
that
somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and turn
the
boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point
where
it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that under no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that the
aft
was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to swing to
one
side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still never
turn
the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on this
from
a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Cheers


Blorgad wrote:

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat to be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Nav" wrote in message
...

What not transfer your anchor warp to the stern?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:


My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,

although he

has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a

spinnaker at

mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to our

our

different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there

would be

no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging and

not

really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the opinion

that

somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and turn

the

boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point

where

it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that under no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that the

aft

was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to swing to

one

side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still never

turn

the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on this

from

a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

We are disagreeing about fundamental behaviour characteristics of sailboats.
It has extended beyond our discussion of how to deal with a spinnaker into a
situation where we disagree on what is within and without the realm of
possibility. So, as competitive men are wont to do, we are trying to settle
it. So, do you have an opinion, or you going to Zen master me into a
frenzy?


"Nav" wrote in message
...
But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Cheers


Blorgad wrote:

Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a
spinnaker
while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat to
be
be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for
that
matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Nav" wrote in message
...

What not transfer your anchor warp to the stern?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:


My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,

although he

has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a

spinnaker at

mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to
our

our

different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there

would be

no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging and

not

really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the opinion

that

somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and turn

the

boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the
mooring,
then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point

where

it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that under
no
combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that the

aft

was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to swing
to

one

side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still never

turn

the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on this

from

a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

Think of a boat sailing on her mooring. Does not the aft end follow the
bow? As she sails across the wind -tied to the mooring -does she not
advance a little way up wind before stalling and tacking off again?

Does that help you think more clearly grasshopper?


Cheers




Blorgad wrote:

We are disagreeing about fundamental behaviour characteristics of sailboats.
It has extended beyond our discussion of how to deal with a spinnaker into a
situation where we disagree on what is within and without the realm of
possibility. So, as competitive men are wont to do, we are trying to settle
it. So, do you have an opinion, or you going to Zen master me into a
frenzy?


"Nav" wrote in message
...

But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Cheers


Blorgad wrote:


Please read the letter again. The question is not how do we fly a

spinnaker

while moored, but rather is it at all possible for a bow-moored boat to

be

be turned around by a spinnaker, or any other combination of sails for

that

matter, so that the aft end travels upwind?


"Nav" wrote in message
...


What not transfer your anchor warp to the stern?

Cheers

Blorgad wrote:



My friend and I are having a disagreement regarding the behaviour of
sailboats on a mooring. We both have limited sailing experience,

although he


has a fair amount more than I. We were discussing running up a

spinnaker at


mooring in calm air, just to practice putting it up. We eventually
concluded that this wasn't practical, but the argument came in as to

our

our


different conclusions as to why it would not be. I felt that there

would be


no point to put it up, as it would just get blown into the rigging and

not


really tell us anything and possibly get torn. He was of the opinion

that


somehow the spinnaker could push the boat to one side, fill and turn

the


boat around. Initially he said it would go right upwind of the

mooring,

then reduced his claim to say that it would turn around at the point

where


it was attached to the line at the bow.

I am of the opinion that this is physically impossible and that under

no

combination of sail at a mooring could the boat turn around so that the

aft


was upwind. I am of the opinion that you could get the boat to swing

to

one


side or the other a bit by backing the jib, but you could still never

turn


the boat around.

I would gratefully accept as many informed opinions as possible on this

from


a sailing or physics point of view.

Fair winds,
Miles

But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

Cheers

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But why ask about such a foolish act grasshopper?

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