The Moorings
 

Excellent comment and it uncovers the basic flaw in the USA's training
programs such as the ASA style. This week sailing, next week 'offshore
cruising/keelboating' whatever and then go rent or buy something. Kinda
like taking the two wheel test on a 50cc Honda then buying a 1200 Hog. I
much prefer the British system and in this one area, along with aircraft
carrier design they are far and away superior. First you have to pass
Competent Crew, Then comes competent small boat and finally after a series
of such you get to the offshore training which requires time on a larger
vessel. One of the most famous is the BOSS school (British Off Shore
Sailing) which features what, a month on board atsea I think? The only
thing we have even close is the100 ton licensing and none of that is
practical. All class and books. Hard I'm here to tell you I had to study
my ass off. But the sailing endorsement is just a few simple questions.
Then the coasties gave me a license to drive power (and by the way sail
added on) even though most of my time was on sail and very little (back
then) on power. I see many states are starting to require real training and
real licensing for small boats, too include ColRegs. What's most insulting
is the charter outfits in the US want the ASA certification when you have
the license. I think it's primarily forthe tuition money as the training
isn't worth it at this point. It's time ASA and similar upgraded their
program to a more responsible level and copying the Brits would be a smart
first move.

Cheers to you Donal!

Michael




"Bart Senior" wrote in message
.. .
I agree 100%. Many sailors rush through certification programs
to get to the big boats and then take out groups of people who
have never been on a boat--a sure formula for distaster.

I call in single handed sailing, with people in the way.

They would be better off staying in small boats longer. And they
can't grasp that small boats are more fun--which is a sure fire clue
that they are clueless. Big boats are more forgiving right up until
the point where things get out of control.

It always pays to have other experienced crew on board.

OzOne wrote

From my perspective most "disasters" are the result of inexperienced
sailors hiring bigger boats than they've ever even been on.
They have no understanding of handling, systems, nor sympathy for the
equipment, and often throw caution to the wind in an effort to get
that extra few metres closer to the beach or take shortcuts through
areas strewn with obstacles because they have little ability to read
a chart.

The Moorings
 

What ever you do, don't charter from the Moorings. I have chartered
from them a dozen times. The last two here a disaster. Since the
founders sold, service has plummeted. And customer service and follow
up is terrible. Write me if you would like a four page letter about
the problems I had in Cannouan.

The Moorings
 

Why don't you post it for us?

David Glueck wrote

What ever you do, don't charter from the Moorings. I have chartered
from them a dozen times. The last two here a disaster. Since the
founders sold, service has plummeted. And customer service and follow
up is terrible. Write me if you would like a four page letter about
the problems I had in Cannouan.

The Moorings
 

I agree 100%. Many sailors rush through certification programs
to get to the big boats and then take out groups of people who
have never been on a boat--a sure formula for distaster.

I call in single handed sailing, with people in the way.

They would be better off staying in small boats longer. And they
can't grasp that small boats are more fun--which is a sure fire clue
that they are clueless. Big boats are more forgiving right up until
the point where things get out of control.

It always pays to have other experienced crew on board.

OzOne wrote

From my perspective most "disasters" are the result of inexperienced
sailors hiring bigger boats than they've ever even been on.
They have no understanding of handling, systems, nor sympathy for the
equipment, and often throw caution to the wind in an effort to get
that extra few metres closer to the beach or take shortcuts through
areas strewn with obstacles because they have little ability to read
a chart.

The Moorings
 

What ever you do, don't charter from the Moorings. I have chartered
from them a dozen times. The last two here a disaster.

I'd like to know why you went back after the FIRST disaster.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

The Moorings
 

ASA and USS both copied the Brits.

What the charter companies want is your money. If you can anchor,
and motor a bit, then you can take out one of their boats. They
could care less about standards.

Michael wrote in

Excellent comment and it uncovers the basic flaw in the USA's training
programs such as the ASA style. This week sailing, next week 'offshore
cruising/keelboating' whatever and then go rent or buy something. Kinda

real licensing for small boats, too include ColRegs. What's most insulting
is the charter outfits in the US want the ASA certification when you have
the license. I think it's primarily for the tuition money as the training
isn't worth it at this point. It's time ASA and similar upgraded their
program to a more responsible level and copying the Brits would be a smart
first move.


Michael

"Bart Senior" wrote

I agree 100%. Many sailors rush through certification programs
to get to the big boats and then take out groups of people who
have never been on a boat--a sure formula for distaster.

I call in single handed sailing, with people in the way.

They would be better off staying in small boats longer. And they
can't grasp that small boats are more fun--which is a sure fire clue
that they are clueless. Big boats are more forgiving right up until
the point where things get out of control.

It always pays to have other experienced crew on board.

OzOne wrote

From my perspective most "disasters" are the result of inexperienced
sailors hiring bigger boats than they've ever even been on.
They have no understanding of handling, systems, nor sympathy for the
equipment, and often throw caution to the wind in an effort to get
that extra few metres closer to the beach or take shortcuts through
areas strewn with obstacles because they have little ability to read
a chart.

The Moorings
 

What the charter companies want is your money. If you can anchor,
and motor a bit, then you can take out one of their boats.

ever see anyone on a charter that wasn't motoring 95% to 100% of the time?

Except for the flogging charter boat sails take when someone tries for half an
hour "to sail", charter boat sails are still brand new when the boat comes out
of service.

Charter boat sailing is to sailing as sitting on a park bench is to motorcycle
riding.

The Moorings
 

Oh Boy.... another fine gem of Jaxxian Philosophy rendered unto us by Mr.
Mensa himself.

Tell us Wonder Boy..... how did you come to that Earth Shattering
Conclusion from the security of your bookshelf and numerous magazines on
sailing?

Charter boats are "short canvassed" for a reason. Your claim regarding sail
use is laughable. I've chartered many times and none of the reasoning you
utilize describes why.

Face it Jax.... you're an Idiot Sanmérite.

Is your Irwin32 from a charter fleet sale??

CM




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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| What the charter companies want is your money. If you can anchor,
| and motor a bit, then you can take out one of their boats.
|
| ever see anyone on a charter that wasn't motoring 95% to 100% of the time?
|
| Except for the flogging charter boat sails take when someone tries for
half an
| hour "to sail", charter boat sails are still brand new when the boat comes
out
| of service.
|
| Charter boat sailing is to sailing as sitting on a park bench is to
motorcycle
| riding.

The Moorings
 

moron, you should never post on Sunday until at least late in the afternoon, so
you can sober up at least a bit.

to a newfie, a "charter boat" is a stolen wooden rowboat, unpainted.

Oh Boy.... another fine gem of Jaxxian Philosophy rendered unto us by Mr.
Mensa himself.

Tell us Wonder Boy..... how did you come to that Earth Shattering
Conclusion from the security of your bookshelf and numerous magazines on
sailing?

Charter boats are "short canvassed" for a reason. Your claim regarding sail
use is laughable. I've chartered many times and none of the reasoning you
utilize describes why.

Face it Jax.... you're an Idiot Sanmérite.

Is your Irwin32 from a charter fleet sale??

CM




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
| What the charter companies want is your money. If you can anchor,
| and motor a bit, then you can take out one of their boats.
|
| ever see anyone on a charter that wasn't motoring 95% to 100% of the time?
|
| Except for the flogging charter boat sails take when someone tries for
half an
| hour "to sail", charter boat sails are still brand new when the boat comes
out
| of service.
|
| Charter boat sailing is to sailing as sitting on a park bench is to
motorcycle
| riding.

The Moorings
 

jaxxies.... what a pathetic, ultra lame excuse for a reply.

Seriously.... is that the best you can do after claiming mensa status and
regaling in your authorship of a definitive book??

You make assumptions of my sobriety and yet if true.... only further
denigrates you in your simplistic inability to formulate a coherent
defense.... let alone a viable offense.

Your idiocy is only surpassed by your ability to misconstrue obvious fact
and present it here as though it were a revelation worth sharing.

Stick to your strengths... like modeling Speedos for Glory Sails Geriatric
Division and your elusive quest to locate the Gulf Stream.

Newfie is a misnomer... Bluenoser would be more correct.... and there are
no bareboat charters in these waters, it's far to volatile an area to
profitably engage in that venture. So.... either lay off the Lithium Pills
for a few days or hire a writer with some intellect.

Now try to think this through before you reply... take your time... take a
few days.


CM



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
| moron, you should never post on Sunday until at least late in the
afternoon, so
| you can sober up at least a bit.
|
| to a newfie, a "charter boat" is a stolen wooden rowboat, unpainted.
|
| Oh Boy.... another fine gem of Jaxxian Philosophy rendered unto us by
Mr.
| Mensa himself.
|
| Tell us Wonder Boy..... how did you come to that Earth Shattering
| Conclusion from the security of your bookshelf and numerous magazines on
| sailing?
|
| Charter boats are "short canvassed" for a reason. Your claim regarding
sail
| use is laughable. I've chartered many times and none of the reasoning you
| utilize describes why.
|
| Face it Jax.... you're an Idiot Sanmérite.
|
| Is your Irwin32 from a charter fleet sale??
|
| CM
|
|
|
|
| "JAXAshby" wrote in message
| ...
| | What the charter companies want is your money. If you can anchor,
| | and motor a bit, then you can take out one of their boats.
| |
| | ever see anyone on a charter that wasn't motoring 95% to 100% of the
time?
| |
| | Except for the flogging charter boat sails take when someone tries for
| half an
| | hour "to sail", charter boat sails are still brand new when the boat
comes
| out
| | of service.
| |
| | Charter boat sailing is to sailing as sitting on a park bench is to
| motorcycle
| | riding.
|
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