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That was intended for Jon. Jon, I'm still waiting for that
check. You said you were willing to pay.

Maxprop wrote

"Bart Senior" wrote in message

Fine, write me a check.

Clinton took away hundreds of thousand of jobs including mine.
Don't blame Bush when you don't have a clue what you are talking
about. The Clinton's cheating with White Water gave the green light
for corporate greed to go crazy.

Don't yell at me, Bart. You're preaching to the choir here. A (perhaps
"the") major job loss factor is NAFTA, which was supported by and signed
into law by WJClinton. And yes, Whitewater paved the way for unrepentant
corporate greed. Odd how the current crop of know-nothing liberals blame
Bush for all the above.

It's their strategy to take the credit for things they didn't do, and blame
the
conservatives for all the failures. In most cases the opposite is true.

Clinton led the way in bank fraud with White Water, and many others were
doing this sort of scam. The basic idea is to pay off bank officials and
technically the law hasn't been broken unless you can prove conspiracy.

snip

If you want to point the finger at any President. Clinton is the clear
winner by being a cheat and greedy himself, he set the example that
everyone else followed. And he pardoned those who paid him off.

This seems to have been conveniently forgotten by the left. His eleventh
hour pardons were legendary in terms of corporate greed, political
payoffs,
and criminal non-accountability.

My comment to Jon's question was that Hillary was referring to taking away
our tax cuts, which the dems purport were only for the very rich. Of
course
John Kerry and his wife should have benefited about as much as anyone,
considering they are probably among the top 500 richest folks in the
world,
if the dems are correct in their accusations.

Max

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That makes a certain amount of sense, except for one thing.

Taxes keep rising, so the damage once done, can never be
repaired

Connecticut had no state income tax. Then it was added and
sales tax was lowered. Now the talk is to raise sales tax again.

The old bait and switch.

The question remains--where is all the money going?

Maxprop wrote

"felton" wrote in message


My thinking exactly. I am much more comfortable with the White House
and the Congress not being controlled by the same party...either
party.

Amen.

Max

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Bush inherited an economy that didn't need a tax cut, that didn't needed
to be pushed into a recession. Thanks Bush. The US lost millions of jobs
because of him. Thanks for nothing.

Jon, it was not even 8 am there when you started posting. You should get your
day started, have breakfast, talk with your loved ones, walk the dog, read the
new, etc. before you start posting here. It will be good for your health.
Now, I know Max has been trying to wean you of the dogma juice, but it does not
seem to be working. Perhaps we can start by asking you to explain the
above-quoted statement. The first tenet of debating is to understand your
argument and not parrot what others have said, because, just like the old story
passed around a campfire, the result is a garbled mess.

I don't see him reversing NAFTA
if that's what the problem was. Max, get your facts straight before slam
me for telling the truth. Bush lied about Iraq, about WMDs, and pretty
much abdicated the search for Usama. Instead of putting in 100,000
troops in Afganistan, he put in 10K. He sent the 100K to Iraq, a
country that had no WMDs and was contained.

Oh, I forgot. Clinton lied about a blow job, and the ensuing right-wing
fueled witchhunt cost us $70 million. Too bad because I'm sure Henry
Hyde could have paid a hooker $70 or less and got the same thing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

I'm sorry you lost your job, but your facts are twisted around.
Anyone who takes a dispassionate look at the economy would
see that Clinton did everything he could for the economy, while
Bush did nothing.

Clinton supported and signed NAFTA: job losses to Canada and Mexico. The
UAW lost over half a million potential and/or real jobs, for example.

Most 20th Century presidents have supported most favored nation trade
status
with China. Where do most of the low-tech goods we buy come from? One
guess.

Bush inherited the economic slide that was well into the down curve during
Clinton's last year in office. Bush also inherited 9/11, which did more
to
tank the economy than any other factor in the past four years. Bush gave
tax cuts, which are the right thing to do, not to mention at least party
responsible for the economic upturn.

Get your facts straight, Jon. You're spouting liberal diatribe, not
facts.

Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about
WMDs

You cannot provide one scintilla of evidence that he lied about WMDs. He
was wrong, yes. He was probably misinformed, yes. He probably told his
intel providers that he wanted a reason for attacking Iraq, yes. But he
lied? Show me the evidence, not just your left-wing dogmatic opinion.

and a war that has brought this country nothing but
heartache and discrace.

This may be true. The final chapter isn't written yet, but my guess is
that
you're assessment will be correct.

Clinton never lied about his lack of
service. Bush didn't even bother to show up for his physical.
Clinton may be a sex addict, but Bush is addicted to alcohol.

So, a recovered alcoholic is not worthy of anything?

Good on him that he hasn't had a drink in a long time. I hope
he stays sober throughout the rest of his term, although he
acts like he's drunk most of the time. He's inarticulate and
low brow.

He is most certainly inarticulate. Low brow? Hmmm. I'm unaware of
anyone
with his balance sheet that would be considered "low brow."

He picked a liar and a cheat for his VP,

Agreed. I strongly dislike Cheney. W should have dumped him this
go-round.

as well
as for most of his cabinet. He picked a guy for attorney general
who lost an election to a dead guy and who annointed himself
with oil.

Again agreed. John Ashcroft is a megalomaniac. He doesn't serve the
people, rather himself and his boss.

Bart compared Clinton with Bush and proposed that W was more moral and
given
to greater integrity than WJC. I think they both lack those qualities,
but
in different areas. They are, after all else, politicians.

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about
WMDs

You cannot provide one scintilla of evidence that he lied about WMDs. He
was wrong, yes. He was probably misinformed, yes. He probably told his
intel providers that he wanted a reason for attacking Iraq, yes. But he
lied? Show me the evidence, not just your left-wing dogmatic opinion.

By that logic, Clintoon didn't "lie" about the BJ - he just didn't consider
a BJ "sex".

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"DSK" wrote
Maxprop is convinced that I must be a libby-rull because I disagree with
his
caveman fascism.

Maxprop wrote:
LOL. I am convinced you are a liberal because you are. Simple, concise,
and to the point. Denial, OTOH, is your bailiwick.


Really? I think you should put up or shut up. What ideals have I
espoused that are liberal? Name at least three.... or as a corollary,
name at least three conservative principles that I have disavowed. By
"conservative" I mean really conservative, not fascist whacko-ism.

DSK

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hummmmm... a funny observation.....

Call someone a liberal and it is fighting words, call them conservative and
they push their chest out with pride and smile real big.........

Just an observation.....

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"Maxprop" wrote
....., Whitewater paved the way for unrepentant corporate greed. ....

Whitewater was but a tiny part of the national Savings and Loan scam that
ended up costing every man, woman and child in America about $7000! Our
beloved RR set the stage for that scam by removing the regulations that had
prevented it. Worked like this:

'A' buys a 100 acre farm for $10,000, $500 down and the rest financed by the
S&L. Then he has a respected public figure (Hillary) buy one acre for
$10,000 by promisinng to buy it back for $20,000 in 90 days. This
establishes that the other 99 acres are also worth as much. Then he sells
the 99 acres to a corporation he established for that purpose for $990,000,
making a handsome profit on his $500 investment even after paying off the
$9500 loan at the S&L and giving Hillary $20,000. The New Corp finances all
but 5% of the purchase with the S&L then goes bankrupt, leaving the S&L and
the gummymint holding the bag --- all legal thanks to RR's deregulation.

Who is John Kerry? and why he is a loser...
 

FamilySailor wrote:
hummmmm... a funny observation.....

Call someone a liberal and it is fighting words, call them conservative and
they push their chest out with pride and smile real big.........

Just an observation.....

Depends on who it is. In my case, I am not insulted to be called a
liberal, I just think it is a good example of why "Maxprop" is not
really a conservative but is just a fascist whacko dumbass.

A sailor must observe the facts around him. You cannot plot a course by
declaring which direction the wind must be blowing or where reefs should
ideologically be.
DSK

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I am not insulted to be called a liberal,

I stand corrected. That makes one so far, wink....

A sailor must observe the facts around him. You cannot plot a course by
declaring which direction the wind must be blowing or where reefs should
ideologically be.

Wind? reef your sail and pull my finger.... just kidding, hehehhe

Happy Sails,
John

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:00:05 -0400, "Vito" wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote
....., Whitewater paved the way for unrepentant corporate greed. ....

Whitewater was but a tiny part of the national Savings and Loan scam that
ended up costing every man, woman and child in America about $7000! Our
beloved RR set the stage for that scam by removing the regulations that had
prevented it. Worked like this:

'A' buys a 100 acre farm for $10,000, $500 down and the rest financed by the
S&L. Then he has a respected public figure (Hillary) buy one acre for
$10,000 by promisinng to buy it back for $20,000 in 90 days. This
establishes that the other 99 acres are also worth as much. Then he sells
the 99 acres to a corporation he established for that purpose for $990,000,
making a handsome profit on his $500 investment even after paying off the
$9500 loan at the S&L and giving Hillary $20,000. The New Corp finances all
but 5% of the purchase with the S&L then goes bankrupt, leaving the S&L and
the gummymint holding the bag --- all legal thanks to RR's deregulation.

Living here in the heart of the S&L bust, it was all too clearly the
result of the deregulation of the S&Ls that took place in the Reagan
years that led to the "bailout" that was paid for during the Clinton
years. Of course, those guys were simply living by what has now
become a Republican credo..."there is no difference between a dollar
of income and a dollar borrowed."

The Republican witch hunters probably spent as much time and energy
trying to find something wrong with Whitewater, without success, than
they did on any of the cast of characters who drove the S&Ls into the
ground for their own enrichment.