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#1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS
#2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! |
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Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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#7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER
BOARDER Well I guess the next contingent of AC boats will have centerboards. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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,#8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST.
Doesn't this go counter to normal engineering. Usually tall masts are bendy and short masts are stiff. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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#9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING
Yea, there's one registered on the entire Chesapeake. I think it belongs to a dealer south of Annapolis. Funny thing is he usually races his older regular 26. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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#2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT
I guess the next group of Volvo boats will look like Mac 26Xs. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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#4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET
Since when is this a myth? The last article I read about cruising oceans stated that the most popular boat size was 34 feet. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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And one truth... Macs are **** boats.
Get lost asshole. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Frank" wrote in message om... #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! |
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I don't agree with this one....
I think it's only true if one is myopic about what makes a craft seaworthy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On 28 Jun 2004 06:55:08 -0700, (Frank) scribbled thusly: #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS Fact. Proven over many years of cruising. |
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I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran....
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:46:37 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I don't agree with this one.... I think it's only true if one is myopic about what makes a craft seaworthy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com OzOne wrote in message ... On 28 Jun 2004 06:55:08 -0700, (Frank) scribbled thusly: #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS Fact. Proven over many years of cruising. Hmmm, Try weathering an Atlantic gale or even one on the east coast of Oz in a centreboard yacht. Being driven sideways down a wave is not conducive to survival of most centreboards. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag |
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Seahag wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag "Well Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...." -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid
name, eh? Scotty "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Seahag wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag "Well Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...." -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. like a Mac? |
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Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. God talks to you? Cheers |
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Really? That sounds like it's a recipe for disaster.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Gives you fair warning. Locally we had tugs with names like
"Tusker". FT Scott Vernon wrote: There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid name, eh? Scotty "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Seahag wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag "Well Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...." -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Scott Vernon wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. like a Mac? including but not limited to. Mind you, if you're reliant on slithering away from such waves the conditions probably mean either (a) you should have fled for shelter long ago, or (b) you should be hove to anyway... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Nav wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. God talks to you? Yes, but not recently. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls! I suspect that it would take some balls-up to begin with: it's for survival conditions, eg in a SydneyHobart weather bomb, and any sane centreboarder would either have been close to shelter or heading north I would have thought. This is why i don't see Lady Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^| Anyway, never having been in survival conditions: Then again pulling it partially up would work. It does. This I've done on beats in aprticularly bad chop and 30knot winds on the Murray Lakes (remember, no wave5') to stop tripping and knocking down. But in those conditions, the hard chine to leeward is dug right in (and can be dug harder if the traveller is brought up a bit) so leeway isn't too bad at all. But the thought of slithering sideways on a breaking wave in a storm off Wedge Island just doesn't appeal, somehow. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Scotty announced;
There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid name, eh? Not as stupid as most motorboat names.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004 |
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OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:42:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: snerp This is why i don't see Lady Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^| Close in the spa pool in the bow and you'd be much better equipped. Hell maybe even a drop in gate for hen you get in trouble. The drop-in gate is designed, not yet built--no point until the Murray Mouth opens. And a folding hatch over the bow well, although the well remains free draining. Otherwise the ground tackle would end up getting washed out.... The open bow is just too convenient on the lakes! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:12:48 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:42:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: snerp This is why i don't see Lady Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^| Close in the spa pool in the bow and you'd be much better equipped. Hell maybe even a drop in gate for hen you get in trouble. The drop-in gate is designed, not yet built--no point until the Murray Mouth opens. And a folding hatch over the bow well, although the well remains free draining. Otherwise the ground tackle would end up getting washed out.... OK, I sorta thought that there would be one on the drawing board. It's a pretty easy fix: there are heavy scantlings vertically at the bow, so few gudgeons and ss rod together with an appropriately braced ply rectangle and voila! a combined closed bow and boarding plank... The open bow is just too convenient on the lakes! Oh yeah, great convenience.....and a great convenience too I guess :-) Both. Remember, we beach this craft (or reed it) None of these undignified scrambles up and down high sides. And the other convenience also means that if you fall overboard, you've the whole length of the boat to scramble back, or alternatively kill you then and there. Sooo much better than falling of the stern while contemplating... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:28:17 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: Both. Remember, we beach this craft (or reed it) None of these undignified scrambles up and down high sides. And the other convenience also means that if you fall overboard, you've the whole length of the boat to scramble back, or alternatively kill you then and there. Sooo much better than falling of the stern while contemplating... You know Taddy, I really do have a soft spot for your boats...I just can't see myself in one. ....well, no...you'd have to be beside yourself to be able to do that... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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I know a fellow with a boat named: Mother Tucker Periodically someone takes a piece of tape and makes the T into an F katysails wrote Not as stupid as most motorboat names.... |
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What do tugs do on the Murray Lakes?
Cheers Flying Tadpole wrote: Gives you fair warning. Locally we had tugs with names like "Tusker". FT Scott Vernon wrote: There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid name, eh? Scotty "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Seahag wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag "Well Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...." -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Flying Tadpole wrote: Nav wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. God talks to you? Yes, but not recently. That'll be because you've not been off shore recently? Cheers |
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OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls! Then again pulling it partially up would work. I'd suggest a bolger box design will likely trip over the chine anyway caught broadside so a little bit of plate down won't make much difference and certainly help keep some direction... Cheers |
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Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls! I suspect that it would take some balls-up to begin with: it's for survival conditions, eg in a SydneyHobart weather bomb, and any sane centreboarder would either have been close to shelter or heading north I would have thought. This is why i don't see Lady Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^| Anyway, never having been in survival conditions: Then again pulling it partially up would work. It does. This I've done on beats in aprticularly bad chop and 30knot winds on the Murray Lakes (remember, no wave5') to stop tripping and knocking down. But in those conditions, the hard chine to leeward is dug right in (and can be dug harder if the traveller is brought up a bit) so leeway isn't too bad at all. But the thought of slithering sideways on a breaking wave in a storm off Wedge Island just doesn't appeal, somehow. That'll be Jesus talking to you... Cheers |
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OzOne wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:44:50 +1200, Nav scribbled thusly: What do tugs do on the Murray Lakes? Cheers Tug stuff, what else! Jeez, I thought you were smart.... You did? What stuff? Cheers |
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Locally as in Port of Adelaide, which is only 50nm away. Though
to take your question seriously: One tug is ex-canefields, and used to push a barge set up as an artists studio around. Other tugs are used to take punts up to the dockyard at Morgan for servicing, 'cause the punts' cables don't quite reach there. Both the river trade and heavy construction (locks, bridges, barrages etc) all used paddleboat/barge combinations. Nav wrote: What do tugs do on the Murray Lakes? Cheers Flying Tadpole wrote: Gives you fair warning. Locally we had tugs with names like "Tusker". FT Scott Vernon wrote: There is a stinkpotter named 'Frankly my dear'' in the Balt. area. Stupid name, eh? Scotty "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Seahag wrote: "Flying Tadpole" wrote: Frank wrote: #1 - CENTERBOARDS COMPROMISE SEAWORTHINESS #2 - THE LOWER THE FREEBOARD THE FASTER THE SAILBOAT #3 - A FAST SAILBOAT CAN NOT ALSO MOTOR FAST #4 - OCEAN CRUISING SAILBOATS MUST BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET #5 - KEELED SAILBOATS ARE THE MOST SEAWORTHY OCEAN CRUISERS #6 WATER BALLAST IS INFERIOR TO OTHER BALLAST #7 A KEELED SAIL BOAT WILL POINT INTO THE WIND BETTER THAN A CENTER BOARDER #8 A TALL RIDGED MAST IS BETTER THAN A SHORT BENDING MAST #9 MAC26X BOAT OWNERS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN RACING #10 MAC26X BOATS ARE SPARTAN #11 MAC26X BOATS ARE NOT FOR OCEAN PASSAGES All these myths are scotched here http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm Come on alt.sailing.asa'ers, let's discuss! You mean, let's ALL be Frank? -- Flying Tadpole No, I'm Frank. Seahag "Well Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...." -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Nav wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: Nav wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. God talks to you? Yes, but not recently. That'll be because you've not been off shore recently? That's right. I haven't even made it offshore by Bobsprit's definition. no, wait! I tell a lie! I drove across to Phillip Island the other week! That's an offshore island! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Nav wrote: Flying Tadpole wrote: OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls! I suspect that it would take some balls-up to begin with: it's for survival conditions, eg in a SydneyHobart weather bomb, and any sane centreboarder would either have been close to shelter or heading north I would have thought. This is why i don't see Lady Kate as a large-ocean-crosser. :^| Anyway, never having been in survival conditions: Then again pulling it partially up would work. It does. This I've done on beats in aprticularly bad chop and 30knot winds on the Murray Lakes (remember, no wave5') to stop tripping and knocking down. But in those conditions, the hard chine to leeward is dug right in (and can be dug harder if the traveller is brought up a bit) so leeway isn't too bad at all. But the thought of slithering sideways on a breaking wave in a storm off Wedge Island just doesn't appeal, somehow. That'll be Jesus talking to you... ....what would Jesus do... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Nav wrote: OzOne wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:45:12 +0930, Flying Tadpole scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" scribbled thusly: I'm sorry... I was thinking catamaran/trimaran.... On the multis when it gets really tough, the centreboard/boards are pulled up to save them, allow the boat to be pushed sideways and to stop it tripping over the boards. And indeed, I was always told, by my designer among others, that that is also what should be done in centreboarders in those conditions. Whhhh oooeeee Baby...now that would take some balls! Then again pulling it partially up would work. I'd suggest a bolger box design will likely trip over the chine anyway caught broadside so a little bit of plate down won't make much difference and certainly help keep some direction... I'd suggest you're suggesting partly incorrectly. The deep-dug chine is probably only drawing a couple of feet, bit more, at most, ie very near surface and in the water (breaking wave) which is actually moving bodily, so there's not going to be much trip. The full board OTOH would be drawing ?5 feet or so, with the potential dire consequences that Oz originally raised, and in relatively stationary water, so readily trippable. A bit of board down ends up like the chine, a non-tripper (or not much) because it's in the surface, moving water. Yes, it'll help the direction but everything will still slither away from the breaking wave rather than knock over and break the board. I have tripped Lady Kate badly, in the early days, but in that case hit a mudbank with the board fully down and hard on the wind. No structural damage. Lots of cleanup. I don't plan to do it again. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Taddy claimed: Sooo much better than falling of the stern
while contemplating... For shame...you could at least use a cedar bucket.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004 |
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You know Taddy, I really do have a soft spot on my head.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004 |
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Flying Tadpole wrote: Both the river trade and heavy construction (locks, bridges, barrages etc) all used paddleboat/barge combinations. Should have added: new heavy constuction, eg the fmed Hindmarsh Island Bridge, had a baby tug for pushing pontoons etc around. The dredges at the Murray Mouth (useless devices) are small self-propelled barge-mounted suction dredges, no tug needed. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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katysails wrote: Taddy claimed: Sooo much better than falling of the stern while contemplating... For shame...you could at least use a cedar bucket.... MY cedar bucket's stainless steel! -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Break Away, Sail Away and putz away now at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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