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Fahrenheit 9/11
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I was interested to see how the audience reacted as well. Quite a few people cried during the movie. My friends won't be voting for Bush. Some elements of the movie are clearly and obviously low blows, but there's simply too much to ignore, too many facts presented through Bush contradicting himself days apart and so on. Anyone who thinks oil played no part in the war needs to see the film. Is the film a slanted view? You're damn right. Are there facts in the film as well? You're damn right. If you haven't seen it, then you don't have all of the info. You're afraid to have your views challenged. Go see the movie, then get back to me. It's easy to see why the republicans want a ban on this film's advertising. But here's the clincher. The movie is NOT anti republican. It's anti BUSH, who is really not a republican at all. See the movie, THEN you'll be qualified to comment. Did I cry during the movie? Yes, I did. I don't know what kind of person could watch this film and not be moved by the plight of Iraq civilians and our own American troops being used like pawns. What a disaster Bush has brought on the US and the world. He'll soon be stopped, but too late for too many. Moore's freedom as an artist will (thankfully) be a final blow to Bush and his people in the political machine. RB |
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What Bob said. Go see it for yourself (I saw it last night) Investigate
anything you think was taken out of context or fabricated, THEN talk. It will open many eyes. I laughed and I cried. and laughed again, then strangely felt a bit ashamed at my laughter in places. And any one who thinks Michael Moore is not a patriot is very wrong. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I was interested to see how the audience reacted as well. Quite a few people cried during the movie. My friends won't be voting for Bush. Some elements of the movie are clearly and obviously low blows, but there's simply too much to ignore, too many facts presented through Bush contradicting himself days apart and so on. Anyone who thinks oil played no part in the war needs to see the film. Is the film a slanted view? You're damn right. Are there facts in the film as well? You're damn right. If you haven't seen it, then you don't have all of the info. You're afraid to have your views challenged. Go see the movie, then get back to me. It's easy to see why the republicans want a ban on this film's advertising. But here's the clincher. The movie is NOT anti republican. It's anti BUSH, who is really not a republican at all. See the movie, THEN you'll be qualified to comment. Did I cry during the movie? Yes, I did. I don't know what kind of person could watch this film and not be moved by the plight of Iraq civilians and our own American troops being used like pawns. What a disaster Bush has brought on the US and the world. He'll soon be stopped, but too late for too many. Moore's freedom as an artist will (thankfully) be a final blow to Bush and his people in the political machine. RB |
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Nutsy,
You're getting loose with the truth again. I, like all of ASA have serious doughts about you having two friends that will stay with you for over a hour. Most of all; two Republican friend (g) They weren't crying because of the Movie. Nutsy, it was the company they had to endure. That is if any of the story is more than a Fairytale. |
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Nutsy,
Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Ole Thom One of the silent moderates |
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Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything
Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Thom, you're a prime example of someone who doesn't want to hear anything that might shake up the world you believe in. I guess it's easier for you that way. But it's also a shame. Meanwhile, making silly insults in well beneath you. RB |
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4 years of war and record defcits, you're right, George has done quite a
bit. "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Nutsy, Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Ole Thom One of the silent moderates |
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Yep... Bu**** has done everything... to avoid the truth and keep himself,
his daddy, and his friends in dollar. He did everything he could to stay out of Vietnam. Kerry on the other hand, has a long history as a senator, he served honorably in VN, was wounded several times, and received two medals for bravery. That's why. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Nutsy, Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Ole Thom One of the silent moderates |
Fahrenheit 9/11
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:05:45 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Kerry on the other hand, has a long history as a senator, he served honorably in VN, was wounded several times, and received two medals for bravery. Kerry has a long history of being absent from the Senate, running home to mommy after four months in Vietnam, and taking awards he didn't earn. (One for shooting a man in the back.) The only thing Kerry's ever done right is to marry rich. Why would anyone ever vote for him? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm JUST LIKE GOD, HE HATES YOU TOO!!!!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Thom, you're a prime example of someone who doesn't want to hear anything that might shake up the world you believe in. I guess it's easier for you that way. But it's also a shame. Meanwhile, making silly insults in well beneath you. RB |
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Kerry on the other hand, has a long history as a senator, he served
honorably in VN, was wounded several times, and received two medals for bravery. Truth: Kerry was in Vietnam for 4 months. How did he pull that off? His medals were for beaching his Swift boat (a real no no) and running ashore to shoot a single VC who was already down and half dead from being shot by the boats 50 cal. Others have said they don't know why he wasn't court martialed for beaching the boat. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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Hey Nutsy,
Kerry was on Bush's case about the Economy ( Which is recovering rather nicely) He has been campaigning on jobs (Which have growing each month) Kerry has been saying he would repair the bridges with our allies (It sure looks like Bush is doing that) He said he (Kerry) would get others involved in Iraq ( Looks like Bush has NATO backing) He said he would reduce the size of our forces in Iraq (Looks to me like we are disengaging right now) The Stock Market is up Nutsy, I'm a registered Demo. but I'm not a straight party voter. I won't vote for Bush, but I wish we had a better choice OT |
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He, unlike you, is intelligent enough to recognize that the Dem party
is a long way from where it should be. Kerry is no great leader, but a lame mutt is better that that liar in the White House. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bob Crantz" wrote in message link.net... http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm JUST LIKE GOD, HE HATES YOU TOO!!!!! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Thom, you're a prime example of someone who doesn't want to hear anything that might shake up the world you believe in. I guess it's easier for you that way. But it's also a shame. Meanwhile, making silly insults in well beneath you. RB |
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The economy isn't "recovering nicely" unless you flip burgers for a living.
Bu**** isn't repairing anything with our allies. He still thinks he can bully them. They still have no respect for half of what he says. Bush has not got NATO involvement, except for some training... no new NATO troops. He should have had three times as many troops in Iraq to begin with. Instead, he's keeping soldiers there for an indefinite period. The stock market is about back to where it was pre-911. I wouldn't call that "up." It's not a good predictor of the economy in general in any case. You need to get your facts straight. Go see F911. 99% of the stuff was in the public record. Read Richard Clarke's book. Listen to what the dozens of generals and US diplomats have to say about Bu****'s policies. Listen to Bu****'s own words and those of Condi prior to 911 at during the 911 commission hearings. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Hey Nutsy, Kerry was on Bush's case about the Economy ( Which is recovering rather nicely) He has been campaigning on jobs (Which have growing each month) Kerry has been saying he would repair the bridges with our allies (It sure looks like Bush is doing that) He said he (Kerry) would get others involved in Iraq ( Looks like Bush has NATO backing) He said he would reduce the size of our forces in Iraq (Looks to me like we are disengaging right now) The Stock Market is up Nutsy, I'm a registered Demo. but I'm not a straight party voter. I won't vote for Bush, but I wish we had a better choice OT |
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This is some pretty deep thinking from a guy like you
who races for fags, I mean flags. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:05:45 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Kerry on the other hand, has a long history as a senator, he served honorably in VN, was wounded several times, and received two medals for bravery. Kerry has a long history of being absent from the Senate, running home to mommy after four months in Vietnam, and taking awards he didn't earn. (One for shooting a man in the back.) The only thing Kerry's ever done right is to marry rich. Why would anyone ever vote for him? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation,
nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars just because. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... Kerry on the other hand, has a long history as a senator, he served honorably in VN, was wounded several times, and received two medals for bravery. Truth: Kerry was in Vietnam for 4 months. How did he pull that off? His medals were for beaching his Swift boat (a real no no) and running ashore to shoot a single VC who was already down and half dead from being shot by the boats 50 cal. Others have said they don't know why he wasn't court martialed for beaching the boat. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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You're deluded.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of truth in it. Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women could not get an education in Saddams Iraq? Joe |
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Jonathan Ganz wrote: You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation, nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars just because. You obviously have never served in the military. |
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You obviously have no clue.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Barfin' Bob" wrote in message ... Jonathan Ganz wrote: You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation, nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars just because. You obviously have never served in the military. |
Fahrenheit 9/11
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:33:45 +1000, OzOne wrote this crap:
Kerry has a long history of being absent from the Senate, running home to mommy after four months in Vietnam, and taking awards he didn't earn. (One for shooting a man in the back.) The only thing Kerry's ever done right is to marry rich. Why would anyone ever vote for him? Ummmbecause he's not a lying arsehole like you and your mate Bushy;-) What part of "Lying to the Senate, and shooting someone in the back" do you fail to understand? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:16:35 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: This is some pretty deep thinking from a guy like you who races for fags, I mean flags. You're kind of obsessed about those flags, or is it fags? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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The part between your ears.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:33:45 +1000, OzOne wrote this crap: Kerry has a long history of being absent from the Senate, running home to mommy after four months in Vietnam, and taking awards he didn't earn. (One for shooting a man in the back.) The only thing Kerry's ever done right is to marry rich. Why would anyone ever vote for him? Ummmbecause he's not a lying arsehole like you and your mate Bushy;-) What part of "Lying to the Senate, and shooting someone in the back" do you fail to understand? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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At least you admit that you race for fags!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:16:35 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: This is some pretty deep thinking from a guy like you who races for fags, I mean flags. You're kind of obsessed about those flags, or is it fags? Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You're deluded. Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned. All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life scumball. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of truth in it. Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women could not get an education in Saddams Iraq? Joe |
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So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died. Bu**** is responsible ultimately. It was horrible and illustrative of Bu****'s crimes. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... You're deluded. Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned. All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life scumball. Joe -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... (Bobsprit) wrote in message ... Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of truth in it. Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women could not get an education in Saddams Iraq? Joe |
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Now that''s funny!
Bobsprit wrote: Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans. I was interested to see how the audience reacted as well. Quite a few people cried during the movie. My friends won't be voting for Bush. Some elements of the movie are clearly and obviously low blows, but there's simply too much to ignore, too many facts presented through Bush contradicting himself days apart and so on. Anyone who thinks oil played no part in the war needs to see the film. Is the film a slanted view? You're damn right. Are there facts in the film as well? You're damn right. If you haven't seen it, then you don't have all of the info. You're afraid to have your views challenged. Go see the movie, then get back to me. It's easy to see why the republicans want a ban on this film's advertising. But here's the clincher. The movie is NOT anti republican. It's anti BUSH, who is really not a republican at all. See the movie, THEN you'll be qualified to comment. Did I cry during the movie? Yes, I did. I don't know what kind of person could watch this film and not be moved by the plight of Iraq civilians and our own American troops being used like pawns. What a disaster Bush has brought on the US and the world. He'll soon be stopped, but too late for too many. Moore's freedom as an artist will (thankfully) be a final blow to Bush and his people in the political machine. RB -- jlrogers±³© Never date a woman you can hear ticking. - Mark Patinkin Eschew Obfuscation. |
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You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation,
nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars just because. Excuse me, but I read the account written by one of Kerry's swift boat crew. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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The economy isn't "recovering nicely" unless you flip burgers for a
living.. Prove that statement. Even the liberal press has reported that all sectors are hiring and that every company CEO that they have interviewed has stated that they are forcasting growth and will be hiring. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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It's pretty obvious. Sure, the economy is recovering, but it's anemic in
many areas of the country. It's also fragile according to many sources. Sure, there are job being created (finally), but they're not paying anywhere near what they were paying, and we're still not anywhere near the employment numbers prior to when Bu**** took office. Forecasting is nice, but it's just a prediction at this point... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... The economy isn't "recovering nicely" unless you flip burgers for a living.. Prove that statement. Even the liberal press has reported that all sectors are hiring and that every company CEO that they have interviewed has stated that they are forcasting growth and will be hiring. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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Read it again. The VC was about to kill all of them with one
press of the finger. Kerry had no choice and shot him dead. He ran the boat up on the beach, apparently because what the VC was firing couldn't work if too close to the target. Here's the official record in PDF format. http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation, nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars just because. Excuse me, but I read the account written by one of Kerry's swift boat crew. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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It's pretty obvious. Sure, the economy is recovering, but it's anemic in
many areas of the country. After companies cumble and jobs are lost, a upswing in hiring is reported. Typical attempt to aid moral. But the deficit is sooooo high, our economy is in SERIOUS trouble. There are no real signs of growth anywhere and consolidation is the current trend for survival. RB |
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Why in the world would anyone vote for Kerry? BUSH, has done everything
Kerry has been campaining on, with a promise not to raise taxes. Thom, you're a prime example of someone who doesn't want to hear anything that might shake up the world you believe in. I guess it's easier for you that way. But it's also a shame. Meanwhile, making silly insults in well beneath you. RB What's insulting about that post? He makes an interesting point. |
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What's insulting about that post? He makes an interesting point.
Kerry is campainging on lying about WMDs??? Getting Americans killed? Building the biggest deficit ever? Oh, okay. Thom is right. RB |
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After companies cumble and jobs are lost, a upswing in hiring is reported.
Typical attempt to aid moral. But the deficit is sooooo high, our economy is in SERIOUS trouble. There are no real signs of growth anywhere and consolidation is the current trend for survival. RB Wow! You will just say anything won't you. So, companies add jobs to keep moral up? That is the craziest thing I have ever seen. "No signs of growth anywhere"? RB, you ought to stay out of the economy discussion. |
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Ummmbecause he's not a lying arsehole like you and your mate Bushy;-)
Well, unfortunately, this one is not true either. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't this year, I'm afraid. |
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They don't give out Silver Stars
just because. . . . . because the government was honest and fair back then? |
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Wow! You will just say anything won't you. So, companies add jobs to keep
moral up? That is the craziest thing I have ever seen. Wow, you'll fail to comprehend everything just to troll! USA consolidation of mega companies via mergers and buyouts has been SOP for 3 years, Dumbass. Verizon added 3K jobs after cutting back national operations and dropping staff in 12 states! Don't you read? Nahhhhh! RB |
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Read it again. The VC was about to kill all of them with one
press of the finger. Kerry had no choice and shot him dead. Nice try. That's the Kerry TV interview version. The crewmember who has come out has stated the VC was on the ground with no weapon and half dead. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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After companies cumble and jobs are lost, a upswing in hiring is reported.
Typical attempt to aid moral. But the deficit is sooooo high, our economy is in SERIOUS trouble... ROFLOL.......... You loose the jobs argument so now you bring up the deficit. The deficit will never go away. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" |
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The deficit will never go away.
Clinton made the deficit go away. Don't you remember anything??? Didn't you get 300 bucks? RB |
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