Fahrenheit 9/11
 

I saw the interview. It was not a made-for-TV Kerry moment.
Get the facts straight. Kerry won a Silver Star for his action,
along with getting four other medals. Bu**** got drunk and
missed his physical.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Read it again. The VC was about to kill all of them with one
press of the finger. Kerry had no choice and shot him dead.

Nice try. That's the Kerry TV interview version. The crewmember who has
come
out has stated the VC was on the ground with no weapon and half dead.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Wow! You will just say anything won't you. So, companies add jobs to keep
moral up? That is the craziest thing I have ever seen.


Wow, you'll fail to comprehend everything just to troll!

USA consolidation of mega companies via mergers and buyouts has been SOP for
3
years, Dumbass.

3 years? No M&A activity before that? What a fool. Mergers have been way
DOWN the past 3 years, you moron. Ask any banker. And explain why they are bad
for the economy. There are good arguments on both sides, but I'm betting you
can't articulate any.

Verizon added 3K jobs after cutting back national operations
and dropping staff in 12 states!
Don't you read?

So, I guess what you are saying is that what one company does matters, and not
what national employment figures say. OK, I was not aware of that. Now we
know that among all the other things micro about you, so goes your economic
worldview.

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

What's insulting about that post? He makes an interesting point.


Kerry is campainging on lying about WMDs??? Getting Americans killed?
Building
the biggest deficit ever?
Oh, okay. Thom is right.

He might not have been right, but he didn't insult anyone. Of course, that
won't stop you from saying it, though. Its quite clear why you admire M Moore
so much. You operate with the same ethical principles.

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

I saw the interview. It was not a made-for-TV Kerry moment.
Get the facts straight.

I have my facts straight. I was in Nam and you don't beach Swift boats. I
read the account of the crewmember who told the story in detail and called
Kerry a phony.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

And, I saw an account on 60 Minutes (I think that was the show);
wherein, three I believe of the crew were interviewed and said he
saved their life. Obviously, you could beach them. Obviously, the
crew and boat were saved. Obviously, he was recognized by the
military for heroics. Obviously, there's no comparison between
Kerry's efforts and service with Bu****'s minimal, sub-standard
service.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
I saw the interview. It was not a made-for-TV Kerry moment.
Get the facts straight.

I have my facts straight. I was in Nam and you don't beach Swift boats.
I
read the account of the crewmember who told the story in detail and called
Kerry a phony.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:20:30 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

It's pretty obvious. Sure, the economy is recovering, but it's anemic in
many
areas of the country. It's also fragile according to many sources. Sure,
there
are job being created (finally), but they're not paying anywhere near what
they were paying, and we're still not anywhere near the employment numbers
prior to when Bu**** took office. Forecasting is nice, but it's just a
prediction
at this point...


Your nose must be at least four feet long after this whopper.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Obviously, you could beach them. Obviously, the
crew and boat were saved.

You dumbass ........ yes you COULD beach them but you were not supposed to.
The 60 min. story was a joke. I suppose you also believe Kerry really did
through his medals over the white house fence in protest of the war. It's also
been documented that he through a dead vets medals over the fence. He wouldn't
throw his own. He will not answer questions about the incident. He's a big
ass phoney.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Yes, you're an idiot.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:20:30 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

It's pretty obvious. Sure, the economy is recovering, but it's anemic in
many
areas of the country. It's also fragile according to many sources. Sure,
there
are job being created (finally), but they're not paying anywhere near
what
they were paying, and we're still not anywhere near the employment
numbers
prior to when Bu**** took office. Forecasting is nice, but it's just a
prediction
at this point...


Your nose must be at least four feet long after this whopper.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

You're right. You're not supposed to. But, he did and he saved lives
doing it. His commander said as much.

Does it really matter if he threw them or not? Did it really matter that
Clinton got a blow job in the WH? Does it really matter that Bu****
is a liar? You pick.

Kerry is a big ass phoney. Fine. Bu**** is a lot worse.

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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Obviously, you could beach them. Obviously, the
crew and boat were saved.

You dumbass ........ yes you COULD beach them but you were not supposed
to.
The 60 min. story was a joke. I suppose you also believe Kerry really did
through his medals over the white house fence in protest of the war. It's
also
been documented that he through a dead vets medals over the fence. He
wouldn't
throw his own. He will not answer questions about the incident. He's a
big
ass phoney.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Sort of like Bu**** flip-flopping on the WMDs... got it.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:08:55 -0400, Horvath said:

Your nose must be at least four feet long after this whopper.

Gotta cut Ganz a little slack. It's not his fairy tale. He just swallows
the
latest party line and spits it back.

Gotta admit, though, that the flip-flops in the Dems' party line on the
economy are getting pretty funny. First, it's a recession. Then oops, not
in
recession, but it's a jobless recovery. Then oops, not a jobless recovery
but a recovery adding the wrong sort of jobs and not enough of them.
What's
next do you suppose? Based on their track record it's prolly something
like
enough jobs being added, but they're going to folks of the wrong color.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

On 29 Jun 2004 09:51:09 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:
Gotta admit, though, that the flip-flops in the Dems' party line on the
economy are getting pretty funny. First, it's a recession. Then oops, not in
recession, but it's a jobless recovery. Then oops, not a jobless recovery
but a recovery adding the wrong sort of jobs and not enough of them. What's
next do you suppose? Based on their track record it's prolly something like
enough jobs being added, but they're going to folks of the wrong color.

It'll be something like, "Sure there's plenty of jobs,
but...but...but...They're...They're all going to rich people! There's
not enough low income jobs for the poor people! I was a Vietnam War
Hero. Vote for me!"





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

You're Bu****'s hero. You race for fags, I mean flags.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2004 09:51:09 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:
Gotta admit, though, that the flip-flops in the Dems' party line on the
economy are getting pretty funny. First, it's a recession. Then oops, not
in
recession, but it's a jobless recovery. Then oops, not a jobless recovery
but a recovery adding the wrong sort of jobs and not enough of them.
What's
next do you suppose? Based on their track record it's prolly something
like
enough jobs being added, but they're going to folks of the wrong color.

It'll be something like, "Sure there's plenty of jobs,
but...but...but...They're...They're all going to rich people! There's
not enough low income jobs for the poor people! I was a Vietnam War
Hero. Vote for me!"





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



--
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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Johe, you're just not getting it. If we had not invaded, these people
wouldn't have died. We went in under false pretenses... looking
for WMDs that didn't exist. If we had invaded to specifically
remove Saddam under UN mandate with UN support, then
we would have received accolades and support from the oppressed
people of Iraq. There would be no insurgents because they wouldn't
have anything to grapple with inside the country. Instead, Bu****
lied to us and to the rest of the world. This caused hatred. The result
of the hatred were things like this event.

We had plenty of reason to go to Afganistan. No one in the world
would reasonably agrue that we shouldn't have invaded and finished
what Usama and the Taliban started. But, instead of finishing it in
that country, we have a measly 10K troops? Usama is still running
around, it's still unsafe outside the capitol. Why?.. because Bu****
couldn't ignore Iraq.

It's really, really easy to fall into the logic trap of blaming the
messenger,
of putting down MM or anyone else who delivers bad news. You may
not like MM, nothing wrong with that. He certainly has a political agenda.
But, just because you don't like someone and just because that someone
has an agenda, doesn't mean his facts are wrong. Certainly, not everything
he said in the film is accurate. So, a thinking person, knowing that MM
has an agenda would weigh the evidence in a dispassionate way and make
a judgement based on the evidence.

I'm sure this reasoning will fall on deaf ears for some number of people
on this NG. Oh well... so vote for that f*cking liar if that'll make you
feel better about yourself. It doesn't and won't change the facts.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are
serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a
bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths
from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show
the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he
show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in
pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands?
How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage
of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered
with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he
show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that
vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he
show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out
and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him?
Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field
in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions?
Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about
Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did
he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month
including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour
was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ..

Johnathan,

We did not invade just because of the threat of WMD's.
Have your read UN res 1441?

Have you seen pictures of swollen Kurdish babies covered with
blisters?

Have you seen the merchant of bagdad, you know the guys that got thier
hands chopped off by Saddam?

Have you seen the scars on the Soccer players?

Did you see the oil fields burning in Kuwait?

Did you know Saddam paid familys that used their kids as suicide
bombers?

If you havent and need proof or pictures just let me know, I will be
happy to provide them.

And the insurgent are not there because we did not find many WMD's
they are there because they have sworn to kill all non muslims in
their jihad. They do not want democracy, it threatens everything they
stand for. We can not reason with these people, we can not bargian
with them, so the best thing to do is kill them before they kill us.
And if you think they would not chopp your head off without a second
thought then your dumber than dirt. Thank god we have a president that
is not afraid to go after and kill them before they have the chance to
kill the scum that wants to kill us.

You go ahead and vote for someone that is soft of defence, and
changes his mind more than his underwear if that makes you feel
better.


Joe

Did you see the US barraks hit by the scud missle?




..
Johe, you're just not getting it. If we had not invaded, these people
wouldn't have died. We went in under false pretenses... looking
for WMDs that didn't exist. If we had invaded to specifically
remove Saddam under UN mandate with UN support, then
we would have received accolades and support from the oppressed
people of Iraq. There would be no insurgents because they wouldn't
have anything to grapple with inside the country. Instead, Bu****
lied to us and to the rest of the world. This caused hatred. The result
of the hatred were things like this event.

We had plenty of reason to go to Afganistan. No one in the world
would reasonably agrue that we shouldn't have invaded and finished
what Usama and the Taliban started. But, instead of finishing it in
that country, we have a measly 10K troops? Usama is still running
around, it's still unsafe outside the capitol. Why?.. because Bu****
couldn't ignore Iraq.

It's really, really easy to fall into the logic trap of blaming the
messenger,
of putting down MM or anyone else who delivers bad news. You may
not like MM, nothing wrong with that. He certainly has a political agenda.
But, just because you don't like someone and just because that someone
has an agenda, doesn't mean his facts are wrong. Certainly, not everything
he said in the film is accurate. So, a thinking person, knowing that MM
has an agenda would weigh the evidence in a dispassionate way and make
a judgement based on the evidence.

I'm sure this reasoning will fall on deaf ears for some number of people
on this NG. Oh well... so vote for that f*cking liar if that'll make you
feel better about yourself. It doesn't and won't change the facts.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are
serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a
bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths
from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show
the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he
show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in
pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands?
How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage
of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered
with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he
show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that
vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he
show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out
and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him?
Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field
in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions?
Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about
Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did
he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month
including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour
was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Jon doesn't care, so long as he doesn't have to flip burgers.


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
..

Johnathan,

We did not invade just because of the threat of WMD's.
Have your read UN res 1441?

Have you seen pictures of swollen Kurdish babies covered with
blisters?

Have you seen the merchant of bagdad, you know the guys that got thier
hands chopped off by Saddam?

Have you seen the scars on the Soccer players?

Did you see the oil fields burning in Kuwait?

Did you know Saddam paid familys that used their kids as suicide
bombers?

If you havent and need proof or pictures just let me know, I will be
happy to provide them.

And the insurgent are not there because we did not find many WMD's
they are there because they have sworn to kill all non muslims in
their jihad. They do not want democracy, it threatens everything they
stand for. We can not reason with these people, we can not bargian
with them, so the best thing to do is kill them before they kill us.
And if you think they would not chopp your head off without a second
thought then your dumber than dirt. Thank god we have a president that
is not afraid to go after and kill them before they have the chance to
kill the scum that wants to kill us.

You go ahead and vote for someone that is soft of defence, and
changes his mind more than his underwear if that makes you feel
better.


Joe

Did you see the US barraks hit by the scud missle?




.
Johe, you're just not getting it. If we had not invaded, these people
wouldn't have died. We went in under false pretenses... looking
for WMDs that didn't exist. If we had invaded to specifically
remove Saddam under UN mandate with UN support, then
we would have received accolades and support from the oppressed
people of Iraq. There would be no insurgents because they wouldn't
have anything to grapple with inside the country. Instead, Bu****
lied to us and to the rest of the world. This caused hatred. The result
of the hatred were things like this event.

We had plenty of reason to go to Afganistan. No one in the world
would reasonably agrue that we shouldn't have invaded and finished
what Usama and the Taliban started. But, instead of finishing it in
that country, we have a measly 10K troops? Usama is still running
around, it's still unsafe outside the capitol. Why?.. because Bu****
couldn't ignore Iraq.

It's really, really easy to fall into the logic trap of blaming the
messenger,
of putting down MM or anyone else who delivers bad news. You may
not like MM, nothing wrong with that. He certainly has a political
agenda.
But, just because you don't like someone and just because that someone
has an agenda, doesn't mean his facts are wrong. Certainly, not
everything
he said in the film is accurate. So, a thinking person, knowing that MM
has an agenda would weigh the evidence in a dispassionate way and make
a judgement based on the evidence.

I'm sure this reasoning will fall on deaf ears for some number of people
on this NG. Oh well... so vote for that f*cking liar if that'll make you
feel better about yourself. It doesn't and won't change the facts.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were
there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are
serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with
a
bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and
an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half
truths
from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he
show
the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he
show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in
pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier
husbands?
How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about
coverage
of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun
covered
with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did
he
show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that
vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of
Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did
he
show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people
out
and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him?
Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of
the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned
to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a
field
in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier
opinions?
Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How
about
Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam?
Did
he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month
including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his
tour
was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned
to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the
women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

All true.

Now, when are you going to invade Rwanda, Zimbabwe,..................

PDW

In article , Joe
wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
..

Johnathan,

We did not invade just because of the threat of WMD's.
Have your read UN res 1441?

Have you seen pictures of swollen Kurdish babies covered with
blisters?

Have you seen the merchant of bagdad, you know the guys that got thier
hands chopped off by Saddam?

Have you seen the scars on the Soccer players?

Did you see the oil fields burning in Kuwait?

Did you know Saddam paid familys that used their kids as suicide
bombers?

If you havent and need proof or pictures just let me know, I will be
happy to provide them.

And the insurgent are not there because we did not find many WMD's
they are there because they have sworn to kill all non muslims in
their jihad. They do not want democracy, it threatens everything they
stand for. We can not reason with these people, we can not bargian
with them, so the best thing to do is kill them before they kill us.
And if you think they would not chopp your head off without a second
thought then your dumber than dirt. Thank god we have a president that
is not afraid to go after and kill them before they have the chance to
kill the scum that wants to kill us.

You go ahead and vote for someone that is soft of defence, and
changes his mind more than his underwear if that makes you feel
better.


Joe

Did you see the US barraks hit by the scud missle?




.
Johe, you're just not getting it. If we had not invaded, these people
wouldn't have died. We went in under false pretenses... looking
for WMDs that didn't exist. If we had invaded to specifically
remove Saddam under UN mandate with UN support, then
we would have received accolades and support from the oppressed
people of Iraq. There would be no insurgents because they wouldn't
have anything to grapple with inside the country. Instead, Bu****
lied to us and to the rest of the world. This caused hatred. The result
of the hatred were things like this event.

We had plenty of reason to go to Afganistan. No one in the world
would reasonably agrue that we shouldn't have invaded and finished
what Usama and the Taliban started. But, instead of finishing it in
that country, we have a measly 10K troops? Usama is still running
around, it's still unsafe outside the capitol. Why?.. because Bu****
couldn't ignore Iraq.

It's really, really easy to fall into the logic trap of blaming the
messenger,
of putting down MM or anyone else who delivers bad news. You may
not like MM, nothing wrong with that. He certainly has a political agenda.
But, just because you don't like someone and just because that someone
has an agenda, doesn't mean his facts are wrong. Certainly, not everything
he said in the film is accurate. So, a thinking person, knowing that MM
has an agenda would weigh the evidence in a dispassionate way and make
a judgement based on the evidence.

I'm sure this reasoning will fall on deaf ears for some number of people
on this NG. Oh well... so vote for that f*cking liar if that'll make you
feel better about yourself. It doesn't and won't change the facts.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are
serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a
bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths
from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show
the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he
show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in
pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands?
How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage
of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered
with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he
show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that
vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he
show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out
and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him?
Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field
in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions?
Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about
Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did
he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month
including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour
was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Fahrenheit 9/11
 

Joe wrote:



Did you see the US barraks hit by the scud missle?



No I did not. Where are they?

Cheers