Jonathan Ganz wrote:
You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation,
nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars
just because.


You obviously have never served in the military.

You obviously haven't read the actual account of the situation,
nor listened to his fellow sailors. They don't give out Silver Stars
just because.

Excuse me, but I read the account written by one of Kerry's swift boat crew.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

They don't give out Silver Stars
just because.


. . . . because the government was honest and fair back then?

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

You're deluded.

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died. Bu**** is responsible ultimately.
It was horrible and illustrative of Bu****'s crimes.

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
So, what's your point? If we didn't go there under false pretenses,
those people wouldn't have died.


Johnathan, These people that they burned were there to protect relief
food. Maybe they just wanted to help starving people get food, perhaps
they did not give a hoot about politics. Whats sick is moore uses film
of thier deaths to suit his political agenda. He could care less of
the daughter of the guy charred and hung goes and see's what happened
to her father. Moore has the ethics of Saddam & Ossama and he's on
their side. I wonder how much he paid for the films of dead burning
American?. I wonder if he's going to enjoy spending his blood money?
But hey what goes around comes around, lets just hope someone get his
fat ass burning and hung from a bridge on film, That I will pay to
see. But no way will I pay to see honorable people being murdered so
that fat pig can get fatter.

Joe



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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
You're deluded.

Gee I guess that means he did not show all I mentioned.

All the sick jerk did is exploit dying americans for political
reasons. Did you like the part of his film when the local Iraqi's
burned , hung, trampled drug thru the streets the guys that were there
to help the locals get food & rebuild the country? What a low life
scumball.

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans.

I watched Bad Santa last night. Wanted to see something with a bit of
truth in it.

Also The Tuscanny Sun. Great movie VERY visualty pleasing and an
excellent story line. Not a hodge poge of lies and half truths from a
one sided brain washed fat slob whos only goal is to get kerry
elected. Moore could care less about the Iraqi people. Did he show the
merchants of Bagdad that saddam chopped of thier hands? Did he show
the clips of Uday beating soccer players then dunking them in pools of
sewage? Did he show Oday raping women in front of thier husbands? How
about uday running swords thru people for fun? Hows about coverage of
the Kurds he gasses, the little babies swollen in the sun covered with
blisters from Mustard gas and sarin. Did he show that Bob? Did he show
Saddam paying of the famileys of the palistines people that vaporize
them selfs in crowds in Isreal? Did he show the ten years of Sam
missles being shot at American planes in the no fly zone? Did he show
the tape of when Saddam first came to power dragging people out and
shooting them because he thought they might disagree with him? Guess
he forgot all that huh? Did he show the people jumping out of the
towers and splattering on the concrete instead of being burned to
death? Did he show how compacted an airplane can become in a field in
PA? Did he interview all the 911 orphans and get thier opinions? Did
he show Kerry tossing someone elses medels over the fence in
washington, How about Kerry sucking up to Jane Fonda? How about Kerry
admitting he burned villages and killed civilians in Vietnam? Did he
tell everyone how Kerry was wounded 3 times in a few month including a
scratch on his arm so he could leave vietnam well before his tour was
up? Forgot that huh? How about the Iraqi Women that get stoned to
death for showing thier faces in public? Did he mention the women
could not get an education in Saddams Iraq?


Joe

Now that''s funny!

Bobsprit wrote:
Went to see this last night again with two friends who are serious
republicans. I was interested to see how the audience reacted as well.
Quite a few people cried during the movie. My friends won't be voting
for Bush. Some elements of the movie are clearly and obviously low
blows, but there's simply too much to ignore, too many facts
presented through Bush contradicting himself days apart and so on.
Anyone who thinks oil played no part in the war needs to see the
film. Is the film a slanted view? You're damn right. Are there facts
in the film as well? You're damn right.
If you haven't seen it, then you don't have all of the info. You're
afraid to have your views challenged. Go see the movie, then get back
to me. It's easy to see why the republicans want a ban on this film's
advertising.
But here's the clincher. The movie is NOT anti republican. It's anti
BUSH, who is really not a republican at all. See the movie, THEN
you'll be qualified to comment.
Did I cry during the movie? Yes, I did. I don't know what kind of
person could watch this film and not be moved by the plight of Iraq
civilians and our own American troops being used like pawns.
What a disaster Bush has brought on the US and the world. He'll soon
be stopped, but too late for too many. Moore's freedom as an artist
will (thankfully) be a final blow to Bush and his people in the
political machine.

RB

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