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What If # 6
The Boat: Catalina 320
Conditions: Moderate, seas 3-5 feet. Damn! How did this happen!?? You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks at high tide, which you thought you'd be clear of. At the top of every swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things could get worse. A lot worse. No one in sight. You're out of radio range. You wonder if you'll be taking the dinghy home! What do you do??? RB |
What If # 6
Your shallow draft boat is on the rocks, yet you are out of radio range?
You must have one cheap ass POS handheld. SV "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The Boat: Catalina 320 Conditions: Moderate, seas 3-5 feet. Damn! How did this happen!?? You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks at high tide, which you thought you'd be clear of. At the top of every swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things could get worse. A lot worse. No one in sight. You're out of radio range. You wonder if you'll be taking the dinghy home! What do you do??? RB |
What If # 6
4 week cruise? I bet you must have a lot of heavy crap on board,
including water, that can be jettisoned. Do it quick, before the tide drops any more than it already has. If you have some other heavy stuff you want to try to save, you can transfer it, along with extra people, to the dinghy, temporarily. 100% correct. And if you're not too far away from land, turn on your fawcetts and run out your fresh water tanks. You'll have plenty of drinks that you can dump into the dinghy. The movement of the keel against the rocks indicates that the boat is "floating" to some degree. You just need to help! RB |
What If # 6
Your shallow draft boat is on the rocks, yet you are out of radio range? You must have one cheap ass POS handheld. Icom M1+ with two batteries....shown at bottom of watertight case with mapping GPS, Nightvision and HH Windmeter. http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/bbstuff.jpg Poor, poor scotty potti!!!! RB |
What If # 6
There is no 100% correct answer to this scenario. There are several ways
which will work. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... 4 week cruise? I bet you must have a lot of heavy crap on board, including water, that can be jettisoned. Do it quick, before the tide drops any more than it already has. If you have some other heavy stuff you want to try to save, you can transfer it, along with extra people, to the dinghy, temporarily. 100% correct. And if you're not too far away from land, turn on your fawcetts and run out your fresh water tanks. You'll have plenty of drinks that you can dump into the dinghy. The movement of the keel against the rocks indicates that the boat is "floating" to some degree. You just need to help! RB |
What If # 6
What a huge Dorkfish I caught! You actualy took a pic of your radio and
put it on the web?????? What kind of nerd does that??? HEehe heheheheheheheheh HA. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Your shallow draft boat is on the rocks, yet you are out of radio range? You must have one cheap ass POS handheld. Icom M1+ with two batteries....shown at bottom of watertight case with mapping GPS, Nightvision and HH Windmeter. http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/bbstuff.jpg Poor, poor scotty potti!!!! RB |
What If # 6
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
... The Boat: Catalina 320 Conditions: Moderate, seas 3-5 feet. Damn! How did this happen!?? You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks ...... Go into the cabin and unsheathe the shorter of your two swords, kneel and make the prescribed cuts in your abdomen whilst chanting "wing keel - shame, shame". |
What If # 6
There is no 100% correct answer to this scenario. There are several ways
which will work. Everyone is anxiously awaiting your "several ways." This oughta be good! RB |
What If # 6
Hey Nutsy,
If you just started a 4 week cruise, How in the hell can you be out of radio range? Crepes, you're worst than Jax with his Gulf Stream "What if's" Ole Thom |
What If # 6
You actualy took a pic of your radio and
put it on the web?????? far left: FRS/GMRS radios Night Owl 10X50 Monocular center: Wind meter, nightvision, Icom M1v, Garmin Map 76. below: OC Weather alert radio right: Fujinon floating binoculars with compass and case. http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/bstuf55.jpg RB |
What If # 6
If you just started a 4 week cruise, How in the hell can you be out of
radio range? You're kidding right? I don't list the local and it's entirely possible to be out of VHF range in less than a day from a vareity of start points. Use your imagination. RB |
What If # 6
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... If you just started a 4 week cruise, How in the hell can you be out of radio range? You're kidding right? I don't list the local and it's entirely possible to be out of VHF range in less than a day from a vareity of start points. Use your imagination. RB In your case, entirely likely that you'll ever be out of cell phone range, let alone VHF. John Cairns |
What If # 6
Thanks John,
I really don't think it takes much imagination to figure, Start is from your home moorage. If you aren't there you're already in the act of cruising. With Nutsy though, No one is sure. Least of all Nutsy! Ole Thom |
What If # 6
"Bobsprit" wrote in message | You're kidding right? I don't list the local and it's entirely possible to be | out of VHF range in less than a day from a vareity of start points. Use your | imagination. No Bob... it's NOT possible at your lattitudes. CM |
What If # 6
boob, everyone here already knows you're an idiot, you don't need to prove
it. Sv "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You actualy took a pic of your radio and put it on the web?????? far left: FRS/GMRS radios Night Owl 10X50 Monocular center: Wind meter, nightvision, Icom M1v, Garmin Map 76. below: OC Weather alert radio right: Fujinon floating binoculars with compass and case. http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/bstuf55.jpg RB |
What If # 6
| out of VHF range in less than a day from a vareity of start points. Use
your | imagination. No Bob... it's NOT possible at your lattitudes. Again, location was not given. RB |
What If # 6
It's not possible at locations above the 65th either...... if you know you
don't have communications it's imperative to have an idea of bathymetric topography in the area you sail. CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | | out of VHF range in less than a day from a vareity of start points. Use | your | | imagination. | | No Bob... it's NOT possible at your latitudes. | | Again, location was not given. | | RB |
What If # 6
It's not possible at locations above the 65th either...
Mooron, can you read? No location was given. What are you babbling about? RB |
What If # 6
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | It's not possible at locations above the 65th either... | | Mooron, can you read? No location was given. What are you babbling about? I can read just fine.... but if you are going to make incredulous postulations involving a sailing trip of radically short distances and yet claim no communication abilities available.... I believe I have the obligation to request a geographic location. Seriously Bob.... you may as well claim the vessel was on another planet! CM |
What If # 6
but if you are going to make incredulous
postulations involving a sailing trip of radically short distances and yet claim no communication abilities available. So let me get this straight....you're saying that a vessel that sails a day out from the Jersey shore will definitely maintain VHF contact? Oh, okay. RB |
What If # 6
Seriously Bob.... you may as well claim the vessel was on another planet!
That's the point of a hypothetical question in some cases, Mooron; to introduce unusual or even impossible criteria. I'm working to help you here! RB |
What If # 6
Yes Bob..... you can easily maintain contact by VHF. That's well within
the inshore commercial fleet. ( Well okay not _you_ per say, because you will never sail that far) You really must venture beyond that placid bay and flaccid location. BTW ... Could you Please clarify the nature of the submerged obstruction... over the continental shelf in over 600 feet of water? CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | but if you are going to make incredulous | postulations involving a sailing trip of radically short distances and yet | claim no communication abilities available. | | | So let me get this straight....you're saying that a vessel that sails a day out | from the Jersey shore will definitely maintain VHF contact? | Oh, okay. | | RB |
What If # 6
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... | Seriously Bob.... you may as well claim the vessel was on another planet! | | | That's the point of a hypothetical question in some cases, Mooron; to introduce | unusual or even impossible criteria. Well then... following that brilliant logic ... I could be free to reply that one should engage Hyper Drive Sails, transmit a Sub-Space Priority 1 hail and activate the Anti-Gravity Plating! | | I'm working to help you here! If you are "working" it seems you had better understand the subject matter..... it's evident you abandoned the advise to write about what you know, considering the limitations that would impose on you. CM |
What If # 6
Well then... following that brilliant logic ... I could be free to reply
that one should engage Hyper Drive Sails, transmit a Sub-Space Priority 1 hail and activate the Anti-Gravity Plating! You could have, but the nature of the question was clear, at least to everyone else. Of course had you responded as above, you might have seemed a trifle imaginative...at least! RB |
What If # 6
If you are "working" it seems you had better understand the subject
matter..... Dispite my "limited" understanding, everyone else understood that it was a hypothetical problem and as such was beyond such trivial examination. Everyone but you. And still you missed the most glaring technical error! This is about to get very embarassing for you...not that it isn't already! RB |
What If # 6
Bobsprit wrote: The Boat: Catalina 320 Conditions: Moderate, seas 3-5 feet. Damn! How did this happen!?? You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks at high tide, which you thought you'd be clear of. At the top of every swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things could get worse. A lot worse. No one in sight. You're out of radio range. You wonder if you'll be taking the dinghy home! What do you do??? RB No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just raise the daggerboard a foot or so. Jim |
What If # 6
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just close the hatches and start a fire in the cabin.. Jim |
What If # 6
Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just close the hatches and start a fire in the cabin.. Jim More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. You can laugh if you want to, but this particular question illustrates quite well one of the many advantages of the Mac 26M, particularly for largely shallow and variable bay waters such as those near the Texas coast. By contrast, a friend who has a large displacement boat had a partial collision with the bottom several years ago, resulting in a bent rudder shaft when he tried to motor off the spoil. He was never able to fix it, and he finally had to cut off part of the top edge of the rudder to prevent it from scraping the hull. Jim |
What If # 6
Jim Cate wrote: More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. Ahhhh. A boat and boatman perfectly suited to a total absence of wind and wave. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
What If # 6
Yeh with a big engine so he can motor effectively.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Flying Tadpole" wrote in message ... Jim Cate wrote: More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. Ahhhh. A boat and boatman perfectly suited to a total absence of wind and wave. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
What If # 6
"Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just close the hatches and start a fire in the cabin.. Jim More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. If you had an older Mac (they were actualy sailboats at one time) with a swing keel, you wouldn't be stuck in the first place. With your dagger board, it will either break the board (most likely) or break the trunk/hull. Good thing you have that double hull, eh? -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA |
What If # 6
Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just close the hatches and start a fire in the cabin.. Jim More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. If you had an older Mac (they were actualy sailboats at one time) with a swing keel, you wouldn't be stuck in the first place. With your dagger board, it will either break the board (most likely) or break the trunk/hull. Good thing you have that double hull, eh? Question #6 related to some poor soul who anchored his boat in plenty of water, and then realized that the tide was going out and his keel was beginning to grind against the bottom between swells. It hadn't dug into or sat on the bottom yet. If he had a swing keel that was left down, it would have the same problem suffered by the fixed-keel boat unless the board was loose or pulled back. Because the Mac 26M is lightweight yet highly reinforced in the hull and dagger board trunk area, I doubt seriously that it would break either the board (which is a flexible, reinforced fiberglass member, not a rigid lead keel) or the trunk/hull before I realized what was happening and raised the board and moved the boat out to a safer position. The noise of the board hitting the bottom would also be more noticable than on a heavy keel boat. On second thought, perhaps music by Brahms or Schubert would be more relaxing. - Maybe a few glasses of Bordeaux, or a gin and tonic? Jim |
What If # 6
"Jim Cate" lied...
Question #6 related to some poor soul who anchored his boat in plenty of water, and then realized that the tide was going out and his keel was beginning to grind against the bottom between swells. It hadn't dug into or sat on the bottom yet. Wrong again, jimbo. Liar. Because the Mac 26M is lightweight in other words CHEAPly made. dagger board trunk area, I doubt seriously that it would break either the board (which is a flexible, reinforced fiberglass member, not a rigid lead keel) or the trunk/hull before I realized what was happening and raised the board and moved the boat out to a safer position. The noise of the board hitting the bottom would also be more noticable than on a heavy keel boat. you'll find out. do a google on ''Mac boards breaking''. On second thought, perhaps music by Benny Hill would be more apropo. Maybe a few glasses of Bordeaux, or a gin and tonic would make me feel like a real sailor? Jim |
What If # 6
Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" lied... Question #6 related to some poor soul who anchored his boat in plenty of water, and then realized that the tide was going out and his keel was beginning to grind against the bottom between swells. It hadn't dug into or sat on the bottom yet. Wrong again, jimbo. Liar. Scott, remember what your 6-th grade teacher would tell you when she gave you a test? - Remember to READ THE QUESTION first. - Here's the gist of the question: "...You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks at high tide, WHICH YOU THOUOGHT YOU'D BE CLEAR OF. At the top of every swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things could get worse.. . ." Obviously the guy wouldn't conclude he had anchored the boat successfully if the boat was grinding against the bottom. Obviously the water level, or the swing,or the chop, etc., changed after the anchoring process, resulting in the unexpected grounding. Because the Mac 26M is lightweight in other words CHEAPly made. If what you mean by "cheaply made" refers to the fact that MacGregor understands and practices modern scientific design and manufacturing practices, perhaps so. (I personally don't think paying for a hand-made boat, or a custom made auto, etc., to get hand-made parts and manual finish work is all that important.) But if what you mean is that the hull is not sufficiently strong to do the job, and that the hulls, deck joints, etc., of hundreds or thousands of Macs all over the country are falling apart resulting in hundreds of deaths of passengers on these boats, then it should be easy for you to provide lots of evidence, news reports, etc. regarding the problem. But you can't, can you? So far, all anyone on this ng has been able to do is to provide a few anecdotes of problems with Macs that, for the most part, were attributable to drunk or inexperienced skippers, etc. - "Lightly made" doesn't mean low quality. - A Ferrari is "lightly made," for obvious reasons, but not cheaply made. dagger board trunk area, I doubt seriously that it would break either the board (which is a flexible, reinforced fiberglass member, not a rigid lead keel) or the trunk/hull before I realized what was happening and raised the board and moved the boat out to a safer position. The noise of the board hitting the bottom would also be more noticable than on a heavy keel boat. you'll find out. do a google on ''Mac boards breaking''. I'm sure it happens. Stuff can happen on any boat. However, you haven't provided any evidence that the Mac would be more likely to fail or be critically damaged under the particular circumstances outlined in this Question 6. Just the opposite. - There are too many "ways out" of the problem on the Mac, including: raising the board, motoring out through shallow water to get to a better anchorage, beaching the boat. etc. On second thought, perhaps music by Benny Hill would be more apropo. Maybe a few glasses of Bordeaux, or a gin and tonic would make me feel like a real sailor? Jim So I'm not a "real sailor"? I would bet that I have been sailing longer than you have. Jim |
What If # 6
So I'm not a "real sailor"? I would bet that I have been sailing longer
than you have. You'd win that bet. Scotty Potty does not sail. RB |
What If # 6
Scott, don't forget that the dagger board on the mac isn't fixed, or
tied down. Actually, the only thing holding it down is gravity. What this means in the context of Question #6 is that if the board hit the bottom as the boat fell down off a wave or during a falling tide, the boat would merely slide downwardly on the dagger board, or, the dagger board would be pushed upwardly relative to the dagger board trunk. In other words, it's yet another advantage of the Mac design. - If the dagger board impacts the bottom, it merely telescopes upwardly within the trunk rather than damaging the boat. Jim Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: "Jim Cate" wrote in message ... No sweat. If it's a Mac 26M, just close the hatches and start a fire in the cabin.. Jim More like: raise the board and motor out a little futher, set the anchor, and then sit back, drink a Margarita and listen to some Vivaldi or Beethoven while you watch the sunset. If you had an older Mac (they were actualy sailboats at one time) with a swing keel, you wouldn't be stuck in the first place. With your dagger board, it will either break the board (most likely) or break the trunk/hull. Good thing you have that double hull, eh? -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA |
*** I R O N Y ***
Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile,
jealous ridden post, I was out sailing. Scotty "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You'd win that bet. Scotty Potty does not sail. RB |
***S A D I R O N Y ***
Isn't Scotty Potty sad? At the time he posted the item below I was sitting at
my nav station drinking ice water having spent two days aboard. We're spending more and more time aboard and sailing, while Scotty Potty tries to squeeze in a daysail here and there! Scotty Potty wrote: Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile, jealous ridden post, I was out sailing. RB |
***MORE I R O N Y ***
boob**** bragging about time spent in his slip.
;)))))))))))))))0 "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Isn't Scotty Potty sad? At the time he posted the item below I was sitting at my nav station drinking ice water having spent two days aboard. We're spending more and more time aboard. |
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