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boob**** bragging about time spent in his slip.


Poor Scotty Potty! I wasn't at my slip!


RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote ...
boob**** bragging about time spent in his slip.


Poor Scotty Potty! I wasn't in my slip!


pantyhose?

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Scotty Potty wrote...

Poor Scotty Potty! I wasn't in my slip!


I'm hoping it was pantyhose?


Ewwwwww! Get away from me!


RB

What If # 6
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Well then... following that brilliant logic ... I could be free to reply
| that one should engage Hyper Drive Sails, transmit a Sub-Space Priority 1
| hail and activate the Anti-Gravity Plating!
|
| You could have, but the nature of the question was clear, at least to
everyone
| else. Of course had you responded as above, you might have seemed a trifle
| imaginative...at least!

You're just being argumentative because I hurt your feelings!

CM

What If # 6
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| If you are "working" it seems you had better understand the subject
| matter.....
|
| Dispite my "limited" understanding, everyone else understood that it was a
| hypothetical problem and as such was beyond such trivial examination.
| Everyone but you. And still you missed the most glaring technical error!
This
| is about to get very embarassing for you...not that it isn't already!

Nobody "understood" it Bob.....

CM

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


Scott, remember what your 6-th grade teacher would tell you when she
gave you a test?

yes, she'd say, ''try to at least get one right this time''.

SV

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


"...You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for
a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks
at high tide, WHICH YOU THOUOGHT YOU'D BE CLEAR OF. At the top of every
swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things
could get worse.. . ."

Obviously the guy wouldn't conclude he had anchored the boat
successfully if the boat was grinding against the bottom. Obviously the
water level, or the swing,or the chop, etc., changed after the anchoring
process, resulting in the unexpected grounding.

Anchor? What anchor? Was anchoring mentioned in the question. Jimbo,
remember what your 10th grade teacher would tell you when he gave you a
test? - Remember to READ THE QUESTION first .

Scotty

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Because the Mac 26M is lightweight


in other words CHEAPly made.

If what you mean by "cheaply made" refers to the fact that MacGregor
understands and practices modern scientific design and manufacturing
practices, perhaps so.

Yeah, that is what I meant.

SV

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...



"Lightly made" doesn't mean low quality. - A Ferrari is "lightly made,"
for obvious reasons, but not cheaply made.


A Ferrari is not "lightly made'', perhaps you meant to write, ''A Ferrari is
"made light''.


On second thought, perhaps music by Benny Hill would be more
apropo.
Maybe a few glasses of Bordeaux, or a gin and tonic would make me feel
like

a real sailor?

Jim

So I'm not a "real sailor"?


You said it, not me.


I would bet that I have been sailing longer
than you have.


Could be. time means little. boob**** spends more time on his boat (in the
slip) and talking boats than some here, yet he is no sailor, not even close.
Anyways, I've been sailing for 28 years. You?

Scotty

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Scott, don't forget that the dagger board on the mac isn't fixed, or
tied down. Actually, the only thing holding it down is gravity. What
this means in the context of Question #6 is that if the board hit the
bottom as the boat fell down off a wave or during a falling tide, the
boat would merely slide downwardly on the dagger board, or, the dagger
board would be pushed upwardly relative to the dagger board trunk.

That is true. But, if you 'run into' a rock, as opposed to falling down onto
it, the daggar board may break or break the trunk or both.

SV

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Very ironic.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile,
jealous ridden post, I was out sailing.

Scotty


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...


You'd win that bet. Scotty Potty does not sail.

RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

More and more time aboard--at the dock?

Bob,

You have never been past Execution Rock! That's only
2.5 miles from you! You know what and where that is
don't you? In the old days, that's where the Conservatives
tied up the worst Liberals at low tide and left the bodies
for the sharks and the fishes! I think it was you that told
me Hillary Clinton's, and Michael Moore's names are
painted out there? Anyway, a quick trip like that will help
you get used to being away from shore power!

Captain Harbor, off Greenwich, is 15 miles from you,
that's less than 1.5 hours, if you time it with a current lift,
or you could try Sheffield or Chimon Islands, 25 miles.
Both spots are beautiful, and of course, in Connecticut,
the hunting season on Liberals is only one day a year,
July 4th. So your safe except then--hug the Long Island
side of the sound on that day.

Once you feel comfortable getting farther from land you
can work your way up to me. I'm only 40 miles from you.
I bet you could get up here in 5 hours with favorable wind
and current. You would probably motor back instead of
beating to weather for 12 hours. I can get you dock space
overnight at both my clubs. I'll take you out for a spin on
HOOT if you promise not to talk about your intern days
with Bill Clinton.

Bart

Bobsprit wrote
Isn't Scotty Potty sad? At the time he posted the item below I was sitting
at
my nav station drinking ice water having spent two days aboard. We're
spending
more and more time aboard and sailing, while Scotty Potty tries to squeeze
in a
daysail here and there!


Scotty Potty wrote:
Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile,
jealous ridden post, I was out sailing.


RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

Bwahahahahahahaaa.... SLAM! ;-)

CM

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et...
| More and more time aboard--at the dock?
|
| Bob,
|
| You have never been past Execution Rock! That's only
| 2.5 miles from you! You know what and where that is
| don't you? In the old days, that's where the Conservatives
| tied up the worst Liberals at low tide and left the bodies
| for the sharks and the fishes! I think it was you that told
| me Hillary Clinton's, and Michael Moore's names are
| painted out there? Anyway, a quick trip like that will help
| you get used to being away from shore power!
|
| Captain Harbor, off Greenwich, is 15 miles from you,
| that's less than 1.5 hours, if you time it with a current lift,
| or you could try Sheffield or Chimon Islands, 25 miles.
| Both spots are beautiful, and of course, in Connecticut,
| the hunting season on Liberals is only one day a year,
| July 4th. So your safe except then--hug the Long Island
| side of the sound on that day.
|
| Once you feel comfortable getting farther from land you
| can work your way up to me. I'm only 40 miles from you.
| I bet you could get up here in 5 hours with favorable wind
| and current. You would probably motor back instead of
| beating to weather for 12 hours. I can get you dock space
| overnight at both my clubs. I'll take you out for a spin on
| HOOT if you promise not to talk about your intern days
| with Bill Clinton.
|
| Bart
|
| Bobsprit wrote
| Isn't Scotty Potty sad? At the time he posted the item below I was
sitting
| at
| my nav station drinking ice water having spent two days aboard. We're
| spending
| more and more time aboard and sailing, while Scotty Potty tries to
squeeze
| in a
| daysail here and there!
|
|
| Scotty Potty wrote:
| Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile,
| jealous ridden post, I was out sailing.
|
|
| RB
|
|

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

Bob,

You have never been past Execution Rock! That's only
2.5 miles from you!

Bart, stop being silly. I posted pics from the Thimble Islands, NY Harbor and
Jersey Shore.

RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

I can get you dock space
overnight at both my clubs. I'll take you out for a spin on
HOOT if you promise not to talk about your intern days
with Bill Clinton.


Actually, Bart...Suzanne is working next weekend and I may grab some of the
girls and bring the boat your way. We'll see how the weather shakes loose. This
past friday was terrible, stunting our plans again.

RB

What If # 6
 

Scott Vernon wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote


"...You've badly grounded your boat. You just left for
a 4 week cruise and now her wing keel has settled atop a group of rocks
at high tide, WHICH YOU THOUOGHT YOU'D BE CLEAR OF. At the top of every
swell, the keel grinds and as the tide slacks (soon!) you know things
could get worse.. . ."

Obviously the guy wouldn't conclude he had anchored the boat
successfully if the boat was grinding against the bottom. Obviously the
water level, or the swing,or the chop, etc., changed after the anchoring
process, resulting in the unexpected grounding.


Anchor? What anchor? Was anchoring mentioned in the question. Jimbo,
remember what your 10th grade teacher would tell you when he gave you a
test? - Remember to READ THE QUESTION first .

Scotty


How did the boat SETTLE down on a group of rocks? Whether or not the
boat was anchored (and if the boat SETTLED on a group of rocks and was
then grounded, he was probably either anchored or drifting around), the
Mac would provide several advantages for getting out of the situation.

In any case, here are a few of the Mac's advantages in such a situation.
A. The dagger board can be lifted and it can be motored away from the
rocks in only 2 feet of water. If there is still a few feet of
displacement, the boat can still sail. B. Because it isn't fixed in an
extended position, the dagger board automatically rises in its trunk or
housing if the boat settles down on the bottom. - It's free to move
upwardly within its housing, minimizing the probability of serious
damage before the skipper can get away from the area. C. The boat is
sufficiently light that even if the board merely brushes against the
bottom, contact by the board with the bottom would result in an audible
sound within the cabin, giving advance warning of the problem and
providing more time for evasive action. In a heavy fixed keel boat,
being more insulated and with a keel that usually doesn't project
upwardly within the boat, the "grinding" noise would be insulated and
muffled and would not be heard as quickly (wouldn't be noticeable until
it became severe, too late for easy maneuvering). D. The Mac, with it's
shallow draft, can be anchored conveniently in shallow waters with
relatively little anchor line, if it were desired to steady the boat in
a current or winch it away from the rocks. By contrast, a displacement
boat with fixed keel would require far more anchor rode, assuming a 7-10
scope, and is not conveniently anchored in such emergency circumstances.
E. With its shallow draft and its relatively light displacement, in
an emergency, in some conditions in relatively shallow water, a crew
member can jump into the water and help move the boat in the desired
direction. If near a sandy shore, the boat can be beached. F. In deeper
water, because of the 50 hp motor, on a relatively lightweight boat,
there is adequate power relative to the weight of the boat to provide
considerable maneuvering capability for getting through chop and into
deeper water.

The point isn't that all of the above solutions would be practicable in
every circumstance; the point is that there are a number of
possibilities with the Mac that wouldn't be available with a heavy
displacement boat that was foundering on the bottom. (Once more, NOT
ALL THE ABOVE would be feasible in every circumstance. - The most
probable solution would be to raise the board a foot or so and motor away.)

Jim

What If # 6
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Scott, don't forget that the dagger board on the mac isn't fixed, or
tied down. Actually, the only thing holding it down is gravity. What
this means in the context of Question #6 is that if the board hit the
bottom as the boat fell down off a wave or during a falling tide, the
boat would merely slide downwardly on the dagger board, or, the dagger
board would be pushed upwardly relative to the dagger board trunk.


That is true. But, if you 'run into' a rock, as opposed to falling down onto
it, the daggar board may break or break the trunk or both.

SV


As I read the question, the boat had "settled" down on the rocks, not
run into them.

Jim

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote


How did the boat SETTLE down on a group of rocks?

He was sailing ( a sailboat leans over, or heels, while sailing) and the
wind died?

The tide went out? hove to and drifted on the rocks?
Ask boob****, he made up the stupid scenerio.




The most
probable solution would be to raise the board a foot or so and motor away.


yup, motor out of trouble, that's the MacX owners' creedo.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

What If # 6
 

Sort of like how you settled for an inferior boat?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

Scott, don't forget that the dagger board on the mac isn't fixed, or
tied down. Actually, the only thing holding it down is gravity. What
this means in the context of Question #6 is that if the board hit the
bottom as the boat fell down off a wave or during a falling tide, the
boat would merely slide downwardly on the dagger board, or, the dagger
board would be pushed upwardly relative to the dagger board trunk.


That is true. But, if you 'run into' a rock, as opposed to falling down
onto
it, the daggar board may break or break the trunk or both.

SV


As I read the question, the boat had "settled" down on the rocks, not
run into them.

Jim

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

Ok, I was being silly. I'm sure you've been past
Execution Rock.

Seriously, you are welcome to visit up here, and there
is dock space available for you, or any of my other
newsgroup friends.

Perhaps we can meet up somewhere in between as
circumstances warrant.

Bart

Bobsprit wrote

Bob,

You have never been past Execution Rock! That's only
2.5 miles from you!

Bart, stop being silly. I posted pics from the Thimble Islands, NY Harbor
and
Jersey Shore.

RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

Hmm,

Maybe, you should sail my way and I'll grab the girls.

I've nearly finished the restoring the three Cape Cod Mercurys
for our Junior program. I'll post some pictures soon. So I will
now have time to sail.

It killed me not to sail last weekend or today. Today it was
perfect out. I was hoping I'd have at least one of the Mercuries
done so I could take it for a test sail.

If you are only day sailing, let me know I'll drive down and
meet you for a day.

Bart

Bobsprit wrote

Actually, Bart...Suzanne is working next weekend and I may grab some of
the
girls and bring the boat your way. We'll see how the weather shakes loose.
This
past friday was terrible, stunting our plans again.

RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

If you are only day sailing, let me know I'll drive down and
meet you for a day.


Well, think about the following weekend, as many of the girls will be away this
weekend. I'll catch you off the NG. You don't want a bad rep associating with
me in a "friendly manner!"

RB

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

Bob,

You have never been past Execution Rock! That's only
2.5 miles from you!

Bart, stop being silly. I posted pics from the Thimble Islands, NY Harbor and
Jersey Shore.

We never saw pics of NY Harbor or the Jersey shore. That was probably because
you never got to NY Harbor (that is, you lied) and the Jersey shore trip was 2
boats and 10 years ago. Bob, you are going backwards in your sailing
experience. Bart has tossed down the challenge.

***S A D I R O N Y ***
 

YIKES! RUN BART!!!

"Bobsprit" wrote


Well, think about the following weekend, as many of the girls will be away
this
weekend. I'll catch you off . You want to bed with
me in a "friendly manner''?

RB

*** I R O N Y ***
 

Isn't it ironic? At the very same time boob**** posted this juvenile,
jealous ridden post, I was out sailing.

Scotty


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...


You'd win that bet. Scotty Potty does not sail.

RB

What If # 6
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" lied...






Because the Mac 26M is lightweight


in other words CHEAPly made.

Lightweight, like a Ferrari, or an SST.




dagger board trunk area, I doubt seriously that it would break either
the board (which is a flexible, reinforced fiberglass member, not a
rigid lead keel) or the trunk/hull before I realized what was happening
and raised the board and moved the boat out to a safer position. The
noise of the board hitting the bottom would also be more noticable than
on a heavy keel boat.



you'll find out. do a google on ''Mac boards breaking''.


In the highly unlikely event that the board is damaged, we can replace
it with a new one for around $250. - - - Tell me Scotty- If you had to
replace your keel in such circumstances and IF you were able to get
your boat back to a salvage yard, how much would you have to pay to
replace the keel in YOUR boat. (Assuming you still had a boat that could
be salvaged after such a disaster.)

Jim

What If # 6
 

"Jim Cate" wrote

In the highly unlikely event that we run into a turtle
and the board is damaged, we can replace
it with a new one for around $250. - - - Tell me Scotty- If you had to
replace your keel in such circumstances

my keel wouldn't break under such circumstances.

Scotty

What If # 6
 

As in a toy.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Jim Cate" lied...






Because the Mac 26M is lightweight


in other words CHEAPly made.

Lightweight, like a Ferrari, or an SST.

What If # 6
 

In this case, lightweight like a Clorox Bottle.

BB

As if a C&C 27 is not. . .

What If # 6
 

If you can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m, you
must be the King of all lubbers.

I didn't say they were the same. Just that some would consider a C&C 27 a
clorox bottle also.

What If # 6
 

wrote in message
...
On 09 Jul 2004 15:16:55 GMT, (Bobspirt) wrote:

In this case, lightweight like a Clorox Bottle.

BB

As if a C&C 27 is not. . .

I can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m

BB

What If # 6
 

wrote in message
...
On 09 Jul 2004 15:36:29 GMT, (Bobspirt) wrote:

If you can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m, you
must be the King of all lubbers.

I didn't say they were the same. Just that some would consider a C&C 27
a
clorox bottle also.

And I said:

I can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m
BB

What If # 6
 

I didn't say they were the same. Just that some would consider a C&C 27 a
clorox bottle also.

And I said:

If you can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m, you
must be the King of all lubbers. My guess is that your only boating
experience was riding a tube down a waterslide at Big Adventure. You
really should have worn a helmet.

BB

Is that the best your weak, little, outgunned wit can come up with? The same
lame, irrelevant jab? You shouldn't even waste your time posting. Come to
think of it, there are a lot of similarities between the Cheap & Crappy 27 and
the Mac 26.

What If # 6
 

wrote in message
...
On 9 Jul 2004 17:28:00 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On 09 Jul 2004 15:36:29 GMT, (Bobspirt) wrote:

If you can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m, you
must be the King of all lubbers.

I didn't say they were the same. Just that some would consider a C&C
27
a
clorox bottle also.

And I said:

I can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m
BB

Poor Scotty! The only boat he can look down on, compared to his
Sidelmann is a C&C 27.

BB

What If # 6
 

wrote in message
...
On 9 Jul 2004 18:21:09 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On 9 Jul 2004 17:28:00 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On 09 Jul 2004 15:36:29 GMT, (Bobspirt) wrote:

If you can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m,
you
must be the King of all lubbers.

I didn't say they were the same. Just that some would consider a
C&C
27
a
clorox bottle also.

And I said:

I can't tell the difference between a C&C 27 and a Mac 26m
BB

Poor Scotty! The only boat he can look down on, compared to his
Sidelmann is a C&C 27.

BB

Sidelmann 30 - PHRF 189
C&C 27-5 - PHRF 168

Looks like the Sidelmann is a bit of a slug compared to the C&C 27,
despite the additional length. Not surprisingly, the C&C 27-5 is
usually grouped with boats over 30 feet. The fact that many Sidelmann
owners themselves are quite sluglike is bound to be a factor.

BB

That's nice Bill, but what does this have to do with me?

SV

What If # 6
 

wrote in message clorox bottle
also.



Sidelmann 30 - PHRF 189
C&C 27-5 - PHRF 168


I don't own a Sidelmann 30, you nitwit.


--
Scotty
S/V Lisa Marie
Balt. MD USA

What If # 6
 

wrote in


I don't own a Sidelmann 30, you nitwit.

Winnebago 30?

BB

No, Bob.

SV