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Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was
stronger. There are different grades of shackles. Scotty "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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Scott Vernon wrote: 20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was stronger. That's what I thought too... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker
than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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he was asking about quick links, marc.
"Marc" wrote in message ... More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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Scott Vernon wrote:
20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was stronger. There are different grades of shackles. Scotty Looked up several different manufactures, typical values for a 5/16" quick link are around 1700 lb., for a standard grade carbon steel, galvanized shackle the number seems to be about 1500 lb. I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain to use on your ground tackle? I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the basic el cheapo shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway. I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which is a pain in the butt some days. Cheers Marty |
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The quicklinks are handy to have because they are easy to put on, no parts to
drop, etc. However, its also hard to see of they're working loose, while a shackle can be wired or cable tied and its obvious of they're coming apart. Be a bit careful comparing numbers - some are "working load" and others are "breaking strength." I think for chain and shackles "working load" is define as 25% of breaking strength. Also, you want to consider the failure mode - a quick link can deform making it hard to take apart. BTW, why not use a swivel to connect to the anchor? Maybe your Danforth won't pull out as much if it had a swivel. interesting link: http://www.suncorstainless.com/sscart/pdf/rigging.pdf "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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Martin Baxter wrote: snip I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which is a pain in the butt some days. Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that being much of a chore. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote: snip I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which is a pain in the butt some days. Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that being much of a chore. Galvanized works just fine, it just happens that I have a bunch of stainless on hand from the MIG welder. Cheers Marty |
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Jeff Morris wrote:
Be a bit careful comparing numbers - some are "working load" and others are "breaking strength." I think for chain and shackles "working load" is define as 25% of breaking strength. Also, you want to consider the failure mode - a quick link can deform making it hard to take apart. I was aware and considered working load, not breaking strength, your 4 to 1 figure is the one usually used for chain and chain fittings. BTW, why not use a swivel to connect to the anchor? Maybe your Danforth won't pull out as much if it had a swivel. Can't see how that would help. interesting link: http://www.suncorstainless.com/sscart/pdf/rigging.pdf Hope Bob checks it out, he could use the extra heave thimbles on his mooring lines. Cheers Marty |
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Hope Bob checks it out, he could use the extra heave thimbles on his mooring
lines. I don't have mooring lines. RB |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
... I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which is a pain in the butt some days. Why stainless? I mouse with galvanised wire, and change it when it looks seedy. Tho' I suppose the fresh?water use stops that being much of a chore. Galvanized works just fine, it just happens that I have a bunch of stainless on hand from the MIG welder. I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you have to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be popped off with a pliers. |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote
Looked up several different manufactures, I assumed you did, I was too lazy to look it up. I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain I do, all the time. Have about 300' of it on the truck. to use on your ground tackle? OH! I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the basic el cheapo shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway. Not me, I just went out to the barn and cut a length of 3/8' G70. I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which is a pain in the butt some days. All my shackles are moused w/SS wire. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Hope Bob checks it out, he could use the extra heave thimbles on his mooring lines. I don't have a boat. RB |
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Why? What's the advantage? I've heard the plastic ties degrade from UV.
Scotty "Jeff Morris" wrote I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you have to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be popped off with a pliers. |
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Scotty wrote..
I don't have a boat. Nope. You have a Siedlemann, which is sorta shaped like a boat. RB |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
... Jeff Morris wrote: Be a bit careful comparing numbers - some are "working load" and others are "breaking strength." I think for chain and shackles "working load" is define as 25% of breaking strength. Also, you want to consider the failure mode - a quick link can deform making it hard to take apart. I was aware and considered working load, not breaking strength, your 4 to 1 figure is the one usually used for chain and chain fittings. I was pretty sure you understood, but when I looked in the Boat/US catalog they actually listed the breaking strength for their quicklinks, and they seemed weaker than shackles. One must be explicit for the benefit of the thousands of lurkers who rely on our collective wisdom! BTW, Earl Hinz ("Complete Book of Anchoring and Mooring") is explicit that quicklinks are for temporary use only, though he doesn't elaborate. BTW, why not use a swivel to connect to the anchor? Maybe your Danforth won't pull out as much if it had a swivel. Can't see how that would help. Joking a bit, but I've heard it claimed that without swivel there's a chance that an anchor would be pulled out due to twisted chain. Certainly, if you anchor for long periods where you could spin around the anchor you should have a swivel. If you use one, it should be attached to the anchor through a shackle, not directly, since a direct connection would have a heavy side load as the boat sheers. |
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Yes, they do weaken with UV - some that I used on my netting started to fail
after 4 seasons. (Actually, only the white ones failed - I often use red for rigging, and I've never seen one of those fail.) However, mine all get pulled when I unrig in the Fall, and its easier to nip off the plastic. Since they only have to go about 5 months, degrading isn't an issue. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Why? What's the advantage? I've heard the plastic ties degrade from UV. Scotty "Jeff Morris" wrote I carry stainless rigging wire, but I usually mouse with cable ties - you have to check them, but they seem to last a season with no trouble and can be popped off with a pliers. |
To shackle or Quick Link?
According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link
http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode packages offered by marine retailers. After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest link On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: he was asking about quick links, marc. "Marc" wrote in message .. . More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
To shackle or Quick Link?
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Jeff Morris wrote: One must be explicit for the benefit of the thousands of lurkers who rely on our collective wisdom! Good advice, Jeff! It's a real pity that you didn't consider the lurkers during our last discussion about sailing in restricted visibility!!! Regards Donal -- |
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ozone wrote
That said, I've been using quicklinks on jib sheets for decades and never had a failure. finger tight, or wrenched? Scotty |
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Donal wrote: "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Jeff Morris wrote: One must be explicit for the benefit of the thousands of lurkers who rely on our collective wisdom! Good advice, Jeff! It's a real pity that you didn't consider the lurkers during our last discussion about sailing in restricted visibility!!! Regards Donal -- Do we still have lots of lurkers? HEY LURKERS, STAND AND BE RECOGNISED!!! Ready...aim...... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Faint echoes, sometimes inaudible, of the newsgroup's glorious past are downloadable at http://music.download.com/internetopera |
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"Donal" wrote in message
... "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Jeff Morris wrote: One must be explicit for the benefit of the thousands of lurkers who rely on our collective wisdom! Good advice, Jeff! It's a real pity that you didn't consider the lurkers during our last discussion about sailing in restricted visibility!!! Was that the time you displayed your tendency to lie repeatedly, not to mention your complete lack of understanding of maritime law? It must have been especially embarrassing for you when I pointed out a case in your own home waters where going 20 knots in thick fog was not considered too fast. Didn't you ever wonder why in a thread that went on for hundreds of posts, not a single person actually agreed with your side? And you never cited a case or a reference that agreed with you? I'm surprised you wanted to bring that one up again. |
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Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert?
I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a shackle the next size up from the chain. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA "Marc" wrote in message ... According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode packages offered by marine retailers. After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest link On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: he was asking about quick links, marc. "Marc" wrote in message .. . More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter wrote: Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. Cheers Marty |
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Have you ever had one back off, even a tiny bit?
Scotty OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 22:17:43 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: ozone wrote That said, I've been using quicklinks on jib sheets for decades and never had a failure. finger tight, or wrenched? Scotty Inshore finger tight, Offshore, depends on the conditions. We have a loop whipped or spliced on the end of the jibsheet and just pass one quicklink thru both loops. Saves the bulk of the usual bights or knots and they don't foul on things when tacking or gybing. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 22:48:13 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a shackle the next size up from the chain. 2/16" that anything like 1/8" ? Exactly the same. very good ozone. You didn't cheat and ask Jax, did you? The 2/16'' was used to exemplify moving up 2 sizes. SV |
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Then you don't know how to properly use a micrometer.
OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 23:20:59 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 22:48:13 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a shackle the next size up from the chain. 2/16" that anything like 1/8" ? Exactly the same. very good ozone. You didn't cheat and ask Jax, did you? I did, but he told me that 1 + 1 = 3 and that 1/16 should really be 1/17 because when you measure 1/16 the jaws of the micrometer are never square and have a very small gap so the actually read a little larger than actual. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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I use a caliper.
SV "Philip Carroll" wrote in message ... Then you don't know how to properly use a micrometer. OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 23:20:59 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 22:48:13 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a shackle the next size up from the chain. 2/16" that anything like 1/8" ? Exactly the same. very good ozone. You didn't cheat and ask Jax, did you? I did, but he told me that 1 + 1 = 3 and that 1/16 should really be 1/17 because when you measure 1/16 the jaws of the micrometer are never square and have a very small gap so the actually read a little larger than actual. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On 18 Jun 2004 02:23:15 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: I use a caliper. SV Polio? vernier. |
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Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads
strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit straightens out! I speak from experience here! CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? | I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle | pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a | shackle the next size up from the chain. | | -- | Scotty | S/V Lisa Marie | Balt. MD USA | | | | "Marc" wrote in message | ... | According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link | http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm | neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb | chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install | oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. | | This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, | bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode | packages offered by marine retailers. | | After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest | link | | | | On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" | wrote: | | he was asking about quick links, marc. | | | "Marc" wrote in message | .. . | More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker | than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and | have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now | you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. | | | | On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter | wrote: | | | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than | shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? | | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than | it's | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench | there's | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by | some | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you | still | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. | | Cheers | Marty | | | |
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DO NOT USE A QUICK LINK!!! Seriously! Never! They fail 100 % of the time at
light loading weights when compared to the chain.. CM "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... | Scott Vernon wrote: | | 20% stronger? Where did you get that from? I thought that a shackle was | stronger. | | There are different grades of shackles. | | Scotty | | | Looked up several different manufactures, typical values for a 5/16" quick link are around 1700 lb., for a standard grade carbon steel, galvanized | shackle the number seems to be about 1500 lb. | | I realize that you can get shackles in different grades, just as you can chain. How many of you go out and buy grade 70 transport chain to use on your | ground tackle? I'll bet most buy proof coil (grade 30), in which case the basic el cheapo shackle is going to be stronger than the chain anyway. | | I was merely musing that IMNSHO, the quick link is less likely to work loose, unless of course you mouse your shackle with stainless steel wire, which | is a pain in the butt some days. | | Cheers | Marty | |
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No, just a note, quite possibly a B-flat, one of my favorite notes.
OzOne wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:09:17 -0400, "Philip Carroll" scribbled thusly: Then you don't know how to properly use a micrometer. WTF? You trying to inject a serious note into this discussion? OzOne wrote in message ... On 17 Jun 2004 23:20:59 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message .. . On 17 Jun 2004 22:48:13 GMT, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a shackle the next size up from the chain. 2/16" that anything like 1/8" ? Exactly the same. very good ozone. You didn't cheat and ask Jax, did you? I did, but he told me that 1 + 1 = 3 and that 1/16 should really be 1/17 because when you measure 1/16 the jaws of the micrometer are never square and have a very small gap so the actually read a little larger than actual. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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No Mariner worthg his salt would use a "quick link".... it's a recipe for
disaster! cm "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... | The quicklinks are handy to have because they are easy to put on, no parts to | drop, etc. However, its also hard to see of they're working loose, while a | shackle can be wired or cable tied and its obvious of they're coming apart. | | Be a bit careful comparing numbers - some are "working load" and others are | "breaking strength." I think for chain and shackles "working load" is define as | 25% of breaking strength. Also, you want to consider the failure mode - a quick | link can deform making it hard to take apart. | | BTW, why not use a swivel to connect to the anchor? Maybe your Danforth won't | pull out as much if it had a swivel. | | interesting link: | http://www.suncorstainless.com/sscart/pdf/rigging.pdf | | | "Martin Baxter" wrote in message | ... | | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than shackles to | attach the rode to the anchor? | | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than it's | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench there's | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by some | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you still | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. | | Cheers | Marty | | | |
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''screw type link'' ? like a quick link?
Scotty "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit straightens out! I speak from experience here! CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? | I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle | pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a | shackle the next size up from the chain. | | -- | Scotty | S/V Lisa Marie | Balt. MD USA | | | | "Marc" wrote in message | ... | According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link | http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm | neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb | chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install | oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. | | This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, | bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode | packages offered by marine retailers. | | After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest | link | | | | On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" | wrote: | | he was asking about quick links, marc. | | | "Marc" wrote in message | .. . | More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker | than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and | have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now | you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. | | | | On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter | wrote: | | | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than | shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? | | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than | it's | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench | there's | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by | some | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you | still | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. | | Cheers | Marty | | | |
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote ... Bang on the Mark Scotty.... uh.....no thanks. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? | I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a shackle | pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a | shackle the next size up from the chain. | | -- | Scotty | S/V Lisa Marie | Balt. MD USA | | | | "Marc" wrote in message | ... | According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link | http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm | neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb | chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install | oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. | | This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, | bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode | packages offered by marine retailers. | | After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest | link | | | | On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" | wrote: | | he was asking about quick links, marc. | | | "Marc" wrote in message | .. . | More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker | than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. and | have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). Now | you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. | | | | On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter | wrote: | | | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than | shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? | | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger than | it's | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench | there's | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and by | some | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, you | still | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the rode. | | Cheers | Marty | | | |
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No Mariner worthg his salt would use a "quick link".... it's a recipe for
disaster! No...I think 10'000 lbs of Beneteau with a pinch of Donal is a recipe for disaster. RB |
To shackle or Quick Link?
Yup... failed miserably... don't use them.
CM "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | ''screw type link'' ? like a quick link? | | Scotty | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | Bang on the Mark Scotty.... and Never use a screw type link. The threads | strip in a hurry with very little force and then the entire unit | straightens | out! I speak from experience here! | | CM | | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | ... | | Who told you this crap Mark, bob**** the shackle expert? | | I'm not familiar with BBB chain, but proof coil and HT will take a | shackle | | pin 2 sizes (2/16'') BIGGER. In fact, everything I've read says to use a | | shackle the next size up from the chain. | | | | -- | | Scotty | | S/V Lisa Marie | | Balt. MD USA | | | | | | | | "Marc" wrote in message | | ... | | According to the BBB chain dimensions in the following link | | http://www.pyacht.net/online-store/s..._bbb_chain.htm | | neither a 3/8" shackle or a 3/8" quick link will pass through 3/8' bbb | | chain. You must go 1 size smaller. hence the suggestion to install | | oversized end links from an industrial supplier of load rated chain. | | | | This factoid is true for all shapes and sizes of chain, proof , ht, | | bbb, and is one of the dirty little secrets of the anchor rode | | packages offered by marine retailers. | | | | After the anchor breakout force rating, the shackle is your weakest | | link | | | | | | | | On 17 Jun 2004 14:48:20 GMT, "Scott Vernon" | | wrote: | | | | he was asking about quick links, marc. | | | | | | "Marc" wrote in message | | .. . | | More to the point. the shackle you can fit to the chain is weaker | | than the chain. Buy your rated chain from an industrial sling mfg. | and | | have them put an oversize link at each end. (small extra charge). | Now | | you will be able to fit the proper sized and rated shackle. | | | | | | | | On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:44:54 -0400, Martin Baxter | | wrote: | | | | | | Another anchor question: Why don't we use quick links rather than | | shackles to attach the rode to the anchor? | | | | Seems to me that the same size quick link is about 20% stronger | than | | it's | | shackle equivalent, and if you tighten the closure nut with a wrench | | there's | | no way for it to work open. Even if you only tighten by hand and | by | | some | | miracle (fish with fingers, crafty crabs?) it manages to work open, | you | | still | | won't lose connection so long as there is some tension on the | rode. | | | | Cheers | | Marty | | | | | | | | | |
To shackle or Quick Link?
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote ... | Bang on the Mark Scotty.... | | uh.....no thanks. Even with a hammer? CM |
To shackle or Quick Link?
Oh! OK.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote ... | Bang on the Mark Scotty.... | | uh.....no thanks. Even with a hammer? CM |
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