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You sort of remind me of Jim Cate. Except he doesn't sound gay.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:25:44 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: It would still be faster than your hunter crapola, and I'd actually make it back. Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"? You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in rainbow. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote With white topsides and 3600 BTU's of AC's we keep cool. And luckly the electricity is include with the slip, no meter! No meter!??! How did you swing that deal? I've got some long extension cords, would you mind? Scotty No meters in the whole marina, so the owner adverges it over all slips, including the powerboaters that are never here. And the yard contractors pick up a major part of the electric bill. I have the best rented slip in America. Great view, parking, huge dock, privacy in the winter months and most week days. And everything you need within walking distance. Plus I keep an eye on things here. And Ive been here longer than anyone else cept 1 person. And Im always first to pay my rent. Joe F Dock Security |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote With white topsides and 3600 BTU's of AC's we keep cool. And luckly the electricity is include with the slip, no meter! No meter!??! How did you swing that deal? I've got some long extension cords, would you mind? Scotty This marina was buildt in the 40's. The owner makes 99% of his money with the shipyard portion of the marina, and the hanging speedboats. He makes the yard contractors here pay most of the elecrity Ive had my boat here since 97, only one person has been here longer. He likes me here because Im the only one on the island and Im always catching thiefs and scallywags, and running off trespassers. I also walk the whole marina every night and keep an eye on things. I also pick up trash for free! And I'm always the first one to pay my bill each month. Plus I got him a great deal on a 100 ton travel lift then saved him 8K in shipping it here. He was going to put tear it apart and put it on a truck..........I hooked him up with a barge & Tug. I went to another marina to live for 6 mo. and had an electric bill of 350 one month, on top of my slip fee so I returned ASAP. I love this place! Park at the boat, do all or any type of work I want, no pesky liveaboards on my island, perfect sunset and lake views, lots of dock/deck space, everything you need within walking distance ect..... Joe offical F dock security. |
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message ...
I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England. http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm And I was pleased to see this! ERICSON 46 72 Similar to this! SWAN 47 72 Soooo you race huh? Nice looking boat, what size is it? Joe |
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Horass is right. His hunter is a classic piece of junk.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 16 Jun 2004 10:32:00 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"? You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in rainbow. Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and garners far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered "classic plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality control matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are frowned on by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years old, you may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but then you should have done your homework before buying. You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic. And my new Hunter 336 is even better. But what do you know? You don't even know what a whisker pole is. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic.
Wrong again. The Hunter 25 wasn't even a blip on the radar in it's class. The Catalina 25 and 27 were so much more successful (and better boats) that they are STILL in production. You bought a poor boat...twice. RB |
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On 17 Jun 2004 10:52:54 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic. Wrong again. The Hunter 25 wasn't even a blip on the radar in it's class. The Catalina 25 and 27 were so much more successful (and better boats) that they are STILL in production. You bought a poor boat...twice. And you have what? (Laughing my ass off) Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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You bought a poor boat...twice.
And you have what? I have a C&C and that's a builder with about 50 times more respect than Hunter has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter. RB |
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Where are you exactly Joe?
Bart Joe wrote I love this place! Park at the boat, do all or any type of work I want, no pesky liveaboards on my island, perfect sunset and lake views, lots of dock/deck space, everything you need within walking distance ect..... |
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On 18 Jun 2004 02:09:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: You bought a poor boat...twice. And you have what? I have a C&C and that's a builder with about 50 times more respect than Hunter has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter. RB You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On 18 Jun 2004 02:09:43 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: You bought a poor boat...twice. And you have what? I have a C&C and that's a builder with about 50 times more respect than Hunter has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter. RB You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Joe wrote
"Bart Senior" wrote I looked up the base PHRF ratings for New England. http://www.phrfne.org/baseh.htm And I was pleased to see this! ERICSON 46 72 Soooo you race huh? Nice looking boat, what size is it? Joe I have no immediate plans to race any of my boats this year. I may crew on an Express 37, but I'm not sure I'll have time. At some point I will race my boats. There is much involved in that. Unless you are racing one-design, you need to be rated by whatever standard you are using, PHRF for example. You need your sails measured. And some of this stuff won't get done unless you join the association and pay some dues. For offshore, you need to comply with various safety standards and that is smart, but expensive. The boat is 45' 10". I like what I call performance sailing. Not quite as serious as racing, but a fast as I can reasonably go given whatever crew size I have, and fewer headaches or paperwork. This big boat I wanted because I felt limited in some areas --night sailing, and cruising. I also figured that if the boat was big enough to live on it is more like a second home that could be moved. My brother Dwight wants to go to Block Island, and he won't have to twist my arm as its on the way to Maine, and has a great harbor. He can bring his tandem kayak too! ECHO is big and comfortable. Dwight, Dawson-a friend, Dwight's two 80 lb dogs he found in the wild, and I were all out today, and had tons of room. The dogs found places under the cockpit in the aft cabin while we dodged south and then east to miss the lighting, but got soaked. It is easy for any number of people to rest below. One more person along would have been nice. Dawson crewed on a schooner in his youth,up in Maine. He said something about this being his first chance to drive a big boat, and I gave him the helm almost the whole trip, and he loved it--even in the rain. A memorable trip for us all. The main went up easy, and the drifter was big, but pretty light and easy to set. Dawson got to feel the power the boat could develop. I got to play with sail trim. And I now know how to get more out of the boat. We made a hasty departure as tide and timing were good. We had a few little minor mechanical problems, nothing that can't be fixed for next time out. I got to experiment with different ways of using my organ grinder. The biggest of the other deck winches could not haul in my drifter when we tacked, not without agonizing effort. The organ grinder is at least a foot across if not bigger. In low gear triming was effortlessly, no fatigue. It made sail trim fun and easy. ECHO's been a fun project--but it's not over. Lots more to do on the interior. Bart |
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I've been on lots of Hunters. The very old ones have a bad reputation;
the newer ones are nice boats. I paritcularlly like the 376, except sleeping the curved settee is uncomfortable. Horvath wrote . On 16 Jun 2004 10:32:00 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"? You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in rainbow. Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and garners far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered "classic plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality control matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are frowned on by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years old, you may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but then you should have done your homework before buying. You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic. And my new Hunter 336 is even better. But what do you know? You don't even know what a whisker pole is. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter.
RB You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap. Wrong again. The design of the 99 is what led me to make a deal for the 34XL, which is very much like the 110. As usual you don't know a thing. But how could you? You bought a Hunter! RB |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:35:39 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters. I have too, and they're fine boats. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On 18 Jun 2004 10:22:07 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: has EVER had. Furthermore, my 32 is built far better than any Hunter. RB You haven't seen the new C&Cs, so shut your yap. Wrong again. The design of the 99 is what led me to make a deal for the 34XL, which is very much like the 110. As usual you don't know a thing. But how could you? You bought a Hunter! RB The C & C 99 I saw at a boat show 18 months ago had doors that wouldn't shut, and interior trim falling off. A new C&C at my yacht club has the same shoddy manufacturing, and the owners complain that the hatches all leak. The new C&C that I saw at the Chicago Boat Show just six months ago, had some of these problems corrected, but one door going to the head was propped open in such a way, as to make it impossible to close. I suspect the shoddy manufacturing made it unable to shut, and the dealer made a hasty repair, so nobody would notice. BTW, it doesn't come with a whisker pole. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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They're pieces of crap just like yours.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:35:39 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Yeah, but we've all seen the new hunters. I have too, and they're fine boats. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Bart, please be quiet! I'm trying to upset Horass.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message . .. I've been on lots of Hunters. The very old ones have a bad reputation; the newer ones are nice boats. I paritcularlly like the 376, except sleeping the curved settee is uncomfortable. Horvath wrote . On 16 Jun 2004 10:32:00 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this crap: Heh Heh Heh. How can you possibly call anybody's boat, "crapola"? You bought your gay POS at a garbage sale, then had it repainted in rainbow. Horvath, in all seriousness, the Hunter marque is among the worst and garners far less respect than Jonathan's Cal, which is certainly considered "classic plastic. In the last 3 years Hunter has greatly improved quality control matching Catalina and exceeding Beneteau, but earlier Hunter's are frowned on by sailors and surveyors alike. If your Hunter is less than 3 years old, you may have a reasonable low end boat. If not, you have my sympathy, but then you should have done your homework before buying. You know jack **** about boats. My 1980 25' Hunter was a classic. And my new Hunter 336 is even better. But what do you know? You don't even know what a whisker pole is. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk...
When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its time in several ways. My particular boat has sailed on the bay since 1965. She was overbuilt with fiberglass... they didn't really understand the strength of glass those days, so they overbuilt it just to be sure. The result was a very stiff and sea-kindly boat that was and is capable of standing up to the rigors of the bay, a place that typically has 20-25 kts during most of the sailing season. When I first saw my boat, it had rainwater in it because someone had stolen the hatch cover. Other than that, and an illegal head, there was nothing structurally wrong with it, and since it was basically free, I decided to take on the project of restoring her. It was an expensive, valuable, and worthwhile experience. I replaced all the standing/running rigging, added electronics, bilge pump, and painted her inside and out. I fixed the "experiment" someone started on the bulb keel. I removed and replaced the keel bolts, basically anything that could be replaced. The only things that are original besides the hull/keel are the mast, boom, and rudder/tiller. It has an oversized rudder, which means she can stand on her ear and still drive straight with very little effort. Oh, and it came with a working, good shape 4-horse 2-stroke Evinrude that weighs only 35 pounds. I just found out that they go for $525 locally, because that size engine of that weight is very hard to find. I think I'll keep my "piece of ****" boat. Thank you kindly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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That's a good project boat Jon.
I like all glass boats, since they are tough and easy to restore. Chances are that boat will out live you. Bart Jonathan Ganz wrote Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its time in several ways. My particular boat has sailed on the bay since 1965. She was overbuilt with fiberglass... they didn't really understand the strength of glass those days, so they overbuilt it just to be sure. The result was a very stiff and sea-kindly boat that was and is capable of standing up to the rigors of the bay, a place that typically has 20-25 kts during most of the sailing season. When I first saw my boat, it had rainwater in it because someone had stolen the hatch cover. Other than that, and an illegal head, there was nothing structurally wrong with it, and since it was basically free, I decided to take on the project of restoring her. It was an expensive, valuable, and worthwhile experience. I replaced all the standing/running rigging, added electronics, bilge pump, and painted her inside and out. I fixed the "experiment" someone started on the bulb keel. I removed and replaced the keel bolts, basically anything that could be replaced. The only things that are original besides the hull/keel are the mast, boom, and rudder/tiller. It has an oversized rudder, which means she can stand on her ear and still drive straight with very little effort. Oh, and it came with a working, good shape 4-horse 2-stroke Evinrude that weighs only 35 pounds. I just found out that they go for $525 locally, because that size engine of that weight is very hard to find. I think I'll keep my "piece of ****" boat. Thank you kindly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message news:v0YAc.22401
I like all glass boats, since they are tough and easy to restore. Chances are that boat will out live you. We've talked about Community Boating in Boston, where I, as well as tens of thousands of others, learned to sail. The 30 15 foot Mercury's they purchased in 1952 are still in constant use. For those who have never been to Boston, when you see sailboats in TV shots of Boston, such as in "Cheers," you're probably looking at the Mercury's. www.community-boating.org |
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Good for you , Jon. Some people think that money doesth make the sailor.
-- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its time in several ways. My particular boat has sailed on the bay since 1965. She was overbuilt with fiberglass... they didn't really understand the strength of glass those days, so they overbuilt it just to be sure. The result was a very stiff and sea-kindly boat that was and is capable of standing up to the rigors of the bay, a place that typically has 20-25 kts during most of the sailing season. When I first saw my boat, it had rainwater in it because someone had stolen the hatch cover. Other than that, and an illegal head, there was nothing structurally wrong with it, and since it was basically free, I decided to take on the project of restoring her. It was an expensive, valuable, and worthwhile experience. I replaced all the standing/running rigging, added electronics, bilge pump, and painted her inside and out. I fixed the "experiment" someone started on the bulb keel. I removed and replaced the keel bolts, basically anything that could be replaced. The only things that are original besides the hull/keel are the mast, boom, and rudder/tiller. It has an oversized rudder, which means she can stand on her ear and still drive straight with very little effort. Oh, and it came with a working, good shape 4-horse 2-stroke Evinrude that weighs only 35 pounds. I just found out that they go for $525 locally, because that size engine of that weight is very hard to find. I think I'll keep my "piece of ****" boat. Thank you kindly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:55:25 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap: Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its I deleted the rest of your crap without reading it. Any boat from the mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****. It's rotted away, and is worthless as a sailing vessel. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Any boat from the
mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****. Yeah...here's one of those POS boats from the 60's! http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg I bet poor Horvath doesn't even know what it is! RB |
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I sailed up there Jeff. t is the great program. I learned on
Mercury's on the Houstonic River. I'm actually restoring three of the five I learned on in the late 60's. Our boats are getting new masts, booms, centerboards and hardware. I'll post some pictures when we are done. Someone in the club chain-sawed up one of the boats, when it was perfectly rebuildable, and could have layed outside for years until the time was right to bring it back. They had 51 Mercury's in Boston when I was there? What happened to the other 21? Bart Jeff Morris wrote in message ... "Bart Senior" wrote in message news:v0YAc.22401 I like all glass boats, since they are tough and easy to restore. Chances are that boat will out live you. We've talked about Community Boating in Boston, where I, as well as tens of thousands of others, learned to sail. The 30 15 foot Mercury's they purchased in 1952 are still in constant use. For those who have never been to Boston, when you see sailboats in TV shots of Boston, such as in "Cheers," you're probably looking at the Mercury's. www.community-boating.org |
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Any solid glass boat from the 60's will outlast us all.
Is that a Gallant 54? I almost bought one owned by one of the first women to solo circumnavigate. It had a good layout for a solo sailor, everything was up in the pilot house except the head. Bart Bobsprit wrote Any boat from the mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****. Yeah...here's one of those POS boats from the 60's! http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg I bet poor Horvath doesn't even know what it is! RB |
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Is that a Gallant 54? I almost bought one owned by
one of the first women to solo circumnavigate. 1965 Pearson Countess Ketch, Alden design. Quite a boat. There's a sloop version at my club as well. Horvath bought a Hunter. To him a classic means a Hunter 25. Nuff said. RB |
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On 19 Jun 2004 23:25:59 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: Any boat from the mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****. Yeah...here's one of those POS boats from the 60's! http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg I bet poor Horvath doesn't even know what it is! It's an ugly POS. My guess it's, "landfill." Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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"Bart Senior" wrote in message
et... .... They had 51 Mercury's in Boston when I was there? What happened to the other 21? The 30 were the first set purchased in 1952. I also remember about 60 in the late '50s when I was there. They now have 65 centerboard Merc's and 12 keel versions, plus Rhodes 19's, Sonars, 420's, Lasers, windsurfers, kayaks, and a few others. http://www.community-boating.org/fleet.html |
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http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg
I bet poor Horvath doesn't even know what it is! It's an ugly POS. My guess it's, "landfill." Bwahahahahaha! Well, I guess to someone who thinks a Hunter has lines that may be true!!! RB |
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http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg
Pretty thing...what is it? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I like some of the Pearson's. Particularly the Pearson 37.
I've heard about the Countess. Always wondered what they looked like. I like ketch rigs also. That's a pretty one. I like Hunters's too. I've taught on several. I like the Hunter 376. Bart Bobsprit wrote Is that a Gallant 54? I almost bought one owned by one of the first women to solo circumnavigate. 1965 Pearson Countess Ketch, Alden design. Quite a boat. There's a sloop version at my club as well. Horvath bought a Hunter. To him a classic means a Hunter 25. Nuff said. RB |
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Katy,
Here is a good link I just found. Thanks RB for bringing it up. http://pearsoninfo.net/countess/countess.htm katysails wrote in message ... http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/1/3/5/4/1135416_1.jpg Pretty thing...what is it? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Thanks for that nice link, Bart (and RB)....went to each boat...all equally
nice....especially liked the Pearson 424....Now that's a real liveaboard boat! -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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went to each boat...all equally
nice....especially liked the Pearson 424....Now that's a real liveaboard boat! I've sailed the 424...actually two weeks ago. Slow, slow boat, but very comfortable. The one I was on had very old sails, so that wasn't helping. RB |
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I finally got the single line reefing system straightened out this Saturday
after class. I followed the Harken model, but used my own scounged parts. Seems to work fine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Bart Senior" wrote in message et... That's a good project boat Jon. I like all glass boats, since they are tough and easy to restore. Chances are that boat will out live you. Bart Jonathan Ganz wrote Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its time in several ways. My particular boat has sailed on the bay since 1965. She was overbuilt with fiberglass... they didn't really understand the strength of glass those days, so they overbuilt it just to be sure. The result was a very stiff and sea-kindly boat that was and is capable of standing up to the rigors of the bay, a place that typically has 20-25 kts during most of the sailing season. When I first saw my boat, it had rainwater in it because someone had stolen the hatch cover. Other than that, and an illegal head, there was nothing structurally wrong with it, and since it was basically free, I decided to take on the project of restoring her. It was an expensive, valuable, and worthwhile experience. I replaced all the standing/running rigging, added electronics, bilge pump, and painted her inside and out. I fixed the "experiment" someone started on the bulb keel. I removed and replaced the keel bolts, basically anything that could be replaced. The only things that are original besides the hull/keel are the mast, boom, and rudder/tiller. It has an oversized rudder, which means she can stand on her ear and still drive straight with very little effort. Oh, and it came with a working, good shape 4-horse 2-stroke Evinrude that weighs only 35 pounds. I just found out that they go for $525 locally, because that size engine of that weight is very hard to find. I think I'll keep my "piece of ****" boat. Thank you kindly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Well... I spend my share on it. :-) But, it was more sweat equity
and knowledgebuilding for sure. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Good for you , Jon. Some people think that money doesth make the sailor. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its time in several ways. My particular boat has sailed on the bay since 1965. She was overbuilt with fiberglass... they didn't really understand the strength of glass those days, so they overbuilt it just to be sure. The result was a very stiff and sea-kindly boat that was and is capable of standing up to the rigors of the bay, a place that typically has 20-25 kts during most of the sailing season. When I first saw my boat, it had rainwater in it because someone had stolen the hatch cover. Other than that, and an illegal head, there was nothing structurally wrong with it, and since it was basically free, I decided to take on the project of restoring her. It was an expensive, valuable, and worthwhile experience. I replaced all the standing/running rigging, added electronics, bilge pump, and painted her inside and out. I fixed the "experiment" someone started on the bulb keel. I removed and replaced the keel bolts, basically anything that could be replaced. The only things that are original besides the hull/keel are the mast, boom, and rudder/tiller. It has an oversized rudder, which means she can stand on her ear and still drive straight with very little effort. Oh, and it came with a working, good shape 4-horse 2-stroke Evinrude that weighs only 35 pounds. I just found out that they go for $525 locally, because that size engine of that weight is very hard to find. I think I'll keep my "piece of ****" boat. Thank you kindly. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:59:29 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: They're pieces of crap just like yours. You got room to talk? You have a piece of **** that someone was throwing away. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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Well, that's pretty typical for you. You have no concept of quality,
so I'm not amazed that it would bore you. You still haven't explained rainbow spam. I couldn't find anything on google related to it. Is it a gay thing? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:55:25 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz" wrote this crap: Point of order... giving away. I have plenty of room to talk... When the Cal 20 came out in the mid-60s it was ahead of its I deleted the rest of your crap without reading it. Any boat from the mid 60s is AN OLD PIECE OF ****. It's rotted away, and is worthless as a sailing vessel. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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